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Message 7828 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 20:32:41 UTC
Last modified: 17 Dec 2008, 21:14:38 UTC

Well...

Like in other projects (like SETI), I'm beginnig to think that we needs a thread about the 'panic' situations (like outages, no communications with the project, etc...) that can affect to most of the users.

We can concentrate all this information in only a thread and all users can find and be informed of these issues quickly and not open a multitude of threads one by one.

It's only a suggestion...

Firts example:

Panic Mode On:

Now, feeder, transitioner, file_deleter and db_purger
are not running.[edit] And Transitioner backlog (hours) 2 [/edit]

And when BOINC attempts to comunicate with the project says:

17/12/2008 21:04:08|Milkyway@home|Message from server: Server error: can't attach shared memory
17/12/2008 21:04:08|Milkyway@home|Deferring communication for 1 hr 0 min 0 sec
17/12/2008 21:04:08|Milkyway@home|Reason: project is down


This can help to the users to know that is not only a local issue and to the admins to be aware of the problem.


Best regards.

(and sorry for my bad English)
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Message 7830 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 20:49:25 UTC

It would also help if the person/s is going to do work to the system to post that first before everybody wonders.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 7834 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 21:14:29 UTC
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It's a good suggestion Logan. I like it very much.

The one drawback I can think of is that it's useful to search for information but looking through the thread titles, whereas in 'Panic Mode On' I might have to search through many posts, many of them the same about a topic I'm not looking for.

Maybe we need a seperate message board for what you suggest - one for immediate problems/concerns rather than more general chat about number crunching.

That way all reported problems would be contained in their own thread, in an easily identifiable part of the boards.

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Message 7835 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 21:42:03 UTC
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Yes you have reason Ice, but the idea is to ask or warn in the thread general problems what can affect to the most of the users.

For the local or seemed particular issues, can be one forum like you suggested.

The idea is to have an Early Alert System what (if you subscribe the thread) can you do aware of the general (project) problems, and that can be informed by the users or the admins.


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Message 7838 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 23:01:53 UTC



With only 8 WU's to crunch - hosts tend to run dry very quickly....

Hint Hint.

Why not allow for 24 hours of cache, say 15 20 WU's per core. Just a thought.
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Message 7840 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 23:29:16 UTC
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FYI.

Panic mode is off...

Now, the reports to the server and downloads are running fine.


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Message 7842 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 23:42:46 UTC

Beep......Booop......




I think "panic" my be a little strong.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 7843 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 23:46:31 UTC - in response to Message 7842.  

Beep......Booop......




I think "panic" my be a little strong.



Hahaha... tell that to a some crunchers...;)
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Message 7844 - Posted: 18 Dec 2008, 0:07:33 UTC
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This situation of today is an example of the reason of being a thread like this...

The people don´t knows if it is a local or general problem and create new threads claiming for help.

In this case, they, could do a first check of the situation in the 'panic mode' thread and, if their problem is not general, then make a new thread with their issue...

I think that could be good for all of us...


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Message 7846 - Posted: 18 Dec 2008, 3:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 7844.  

The people don´t knows if it is a local or general problem and create new threads claiming for help.


Some of this wouldn't happen if people would look and read instead of posting the same thing over and over and over.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 7848 - Posted: 18 Dec 2008, 11:27:12 UTC - in response to Message 7838.  



With only 8 WU's to crunch - hosts tend to run dry very quickly....

Hint Hint.

Why not allow for 24 hours of cache, say 15 20 WU's per core. Just a thought.


I agree with that.
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Message 7862 - Posted: 18 Dec 2008, 19:37:07 UTC - in response to Message 7846.  

Some of this wouldn't happen if people would look and read instead of posting the same thing over and over and over.


True ...

But in fairness to some of those people, sometimes the problems present themselves in ways that the person may not recognize that they have the same problems as the others. Or they simply don't know where to look.

Computers, and BOINC are complicated and most of us are not that up on them.
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Message 7863 - Posted: 18 Dec 2008, 22:18:34 UTC - in response to Message 7862.  
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Some of this wouldn't happen if people would look and read instead of posting the same thing over and over and over.


True ...

But in fairness to some of those people, sometimes the problems present themselves in ways that the person may not recognize that they have the same problems as the others. Or they simply don't know where to look.

Computers, and BOINC are complicated and most of us are not that up on them.


LOL...

Agreed.

Here's an anecdote you may find amusing, Paul.

I was over on the BOINC Message Boards earlier today, and came across a relatively new poster (may even have been his first). He apparently had taken the trouble to go review and read the threads back to a little over a year or so ago, found one which appeared directly related and then posted in that one.

Guess what... He got scolded for reviving an 'ancient' thread!

So I guess you can file this whole conversation under the "You can't win for losing" category. ;-)

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Message 7868 - Posted: 19 Dec 2008, 6:44:16 UTC

I knew this was the wrong time to be checking in.
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Message 7869 - Posted: 19 Dec 2008, 8:32:29 UTC - in response to Message 7868.  

I knew this was the wrong time to be checking in.

Hello Misfit. Nice to see you here. Don't forget, you can check in at any time, but you can never leave ;)


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Message 7878 - Posted: 20 Dec 2008, 0:18:36 UTC - in response to Message 7869.  

I knew this was the wrong time to be checking in.

Hello Misfit. Nice to see you here. Don't forget, you can check in at any time, but you can never leave ;)

I hope that's a camera you're holding.
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Message 7879 - Posted: 20 Dec 2008, 3:51:26 UTC

Looks like a kitty to me :)
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Message 7880 - Posted: 20 Dec 2008, 11:05:43 UTC - in response to Message 7878.  

I knew this was the wrong time to be checking in.

Hello Misfit. Nice to see you here. Don't forget, you can check in at any time, but you can never leave ;)

I hope that's a camera you're holding.

Maybe he's very pleased to see you.


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Message 7883 - Posted: 20 Dec 2008, 18:22:05 UTC - in response to Message 7878.  
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I knew this was the wrong time to be checking in.

Hello Misfit. Nice to see you here. Don't forget, you can check in at any time, but you can never leave ;)

I hope that's a camera you're holding.

The camera is a Canon 40D attached to a Sigma 50-500mm lens with a 2x multiplier taking it up to 100-1000mm.

Camera and lens shown below are sitting on a Giottos monopod, photo taken with a Canon 400D.


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Message 7890 - Posted: 20 Dec 2008, 22:38:55 UTC
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well, my friends, let this thread only for a panic situations, please...
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