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Message 17413 - Posted: 3 Apr 2009, 4:46:03 UTC

... and her father owns a brewery... :)
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Message 17416 - Posted: 3 Apr 2009, 5:13:30 UTC

and her mother is a politican....
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Message 17417 - Posted: 3 Apr 2009, 5:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 17412.  

I forgot to mention that my plan was she was going to be rich...

What was the line in "Paint Your Wagon"?

"You can't get a woman with money?" With the reply "You just try getting one without it..."

I think Brian has it right. Many seem to think that their wealth and ability to buy speed makes them better than others. That was one of the motivations behind the change to the team system because high earners were holding their teams hostage ... do what I want or I will leave the team and take my credit to another team (in Classic SETI credit went with the participant when the left the team)...

That is why I only compete with myself. And yes I love to make 10K a day, 100K is better, but only because that tells me that with the second number I am doing 10 times as much science ...

And, I buy my toys for me ... no project is obligated to keep me in work ... I think they are obligated only to give me applications that work, the opportunity to contribute, and a fair award at the end of the day.

Sadly, many project cannot even meet those very basic requirements ...
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Message 17426 - Posted: 3 Apr 2009, 8:44:26 UTC - in response to Message 17381.  

like spoiled rich kids.


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I'm not jealous because some crunchers use v8 or v16 or even can have acces to server farms and 32 core machines...

I only have a c2d and it's OK that these people are in the same score table than me
I can compare with other similar cpus.

I once was top 22 in rac with my Q6600 on Rosetta. Shortly after came some 45 nm new cpus, and numerus 8 cores... now i7.
I sunk below top 1000 in rac, as did a lot of Q6600 that can be considered now "not so young" tools.

But I don't feel i7 should have had a special credit table and rankings.

Now, life evolves, new tools are available, and that's great ! If we create separate rankings, why not do the same for optimzed/standard apps, linux/win/mac, 2/4/8/16 cores ...

The fact is that GPU are better tools now. Maybe that will last only a few years, who knows ? It was hardly predictable last year that ATI's will be so effective crunchers.

That's why I think Milkyway People should not create two separate projects, but only a way to crunch longer WUs.
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Message 17429 - Posted: 3 Apr 2009, 8:59:04 UTC

Oh "those" guys. :) I know the ones you mean. I have less time for them than you seem to give me credit for. Please try and judge my post on the content of it rather than on what some other tools say or think.

To reiterate.


  • I do not think I or anyone deserves special treatment.
  • I don't think any of the projects "owe" me anything for the work I do and the electricity I use, thats my choice.
  • There are plenty of other projects.
  • As I said, I think its fine that the sci-bods give out harder/bigger work units to the GPU's than the CPU's for lots of valid scientific reasons
  • I DO think that if your hardware does more work or works harder then it should be reflected in the points allocated.
  • I DO think that its a bad idea to split the stats in one project to reflect a particular hardware/software or combination.



Hope that clarifies things for people.

Oh btw as for buying hardware, I reccomend going second hand. :)

Oh and peace!


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Message 17720 - Posted: 6 Apr 2009, 11:53:02 UTC

I currently only use CPUs, mainly because so far I am unable to afford a decent GPU. I don't care whether there is one project or two. My numbers are good enough without a GPU, and although I would rank higher with separate projects, I am happy with how it is. My rankings, as shown on BOINCstats, are:

MW: Ranked 838
Worldwide combined: 18,904 and rising out of 1,647,545
Country (International): 713 and rising out of 323090
Combined RAC: 1,737 (fluctuating, mostly close to 2000) out of 1,647,545
BOINCstats World Cup: 929

I think out of more than 1.6 million crunchers, those figures are quite good for someone with no usable GPU. It won't change just because the project splits, except that I would rise in the MW CPU rankings, but that is not all it is about.

OK, I am a credit hound (junkie/whore/whatever), and do more work on projects where the credits are high than on others, but I also work on projects with low credits (one of the lowest for me at the moment being one where the science is far more important than anything).

I stopped chasing aliens some time ago, but my RAC on SETI shows I still chase the credits their opt app gives on my Intel system :)

I hope this whole situation is sorted one way or the other soon, so we can find something else to squabble over. This one is already getting tedious :)
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Message 17786 - Posted: 7 Apr 2009, 1:30:23 UTC - in response to Message 17720.  


I hope this whole situation is sorted one way or the other soon, so we can find something else to squabble over. This one is already getting tedious :)



Have no fear, there will always be something after whatever the current issue is. That's just the nature of this beast we call MW. :)

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