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1) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49855)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Ebonydogx
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My Radeon is integrated into the mobo, so there isn't a separate card to plug into the primary slot. The only card plugged in on my machine is the nvidia card. That is one of the reasons I find this so frustrating - intuitively, I expected that integrated graphics would be primary, and any added cards would be secondary. Not so on my MSI mobo.


i can't imagine that GIGABYTE is the only manufacturer out there who's motherboards with AMD IGPs don't play nice with discrete nVidia GPUs...though in all my research at the time, i never did find claim of another manufacturer having these problems. the other guy who mentioned that he had the same issues with his GIGABYTE motherboard also said that he was successful in resolving the issue by switching to motherboards manufactured by both ASUS and ASRock. so at the very least, you know you can give ASUS, ASRock, or BioStar a try if you suspect that your current motherboard may be the reason why you can't use both the integrated and discrete GPUs simultaneously (for crunching or otherwise).

Some MB models disable the IGP when a PCIe GPU is installed. I've run into this on a Biostar board. I don't believe that it's brand specific but is model specific or perhaps even BIOS specific. That said, IGPs typically cause the NB to run hot. Running them at max (as in DC) is asking for a shorter MB lifetime. Current IGPs are also so slow that they're crunching performance is pitiful anyway. I'd recommend avoiding DC on an IGP.

Back to the OP: some MBs do not allow using NVidia and ATI together. Some do. If you have a MB that allows them to work together, they will work very nicely. On AMD chipsets just be sure to install the ATI/AMD GPU in the primary PCIe slot and the NVidia card in a secondary slot. It will make the whole process easier.

2) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49854)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Ebonydogx
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I've been through device mgr, without success. Looks like I need to search around. Thank for your efforts on my behalf!
3) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49848)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Gladly! I believe what you asked for is below.
Thanks for your help.

7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.5
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Data directory: C:\ProgramData\BOINC
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Running under account Stuart
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Processor: 4 AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor [Family 16 Model 4 Stepping 3]
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Processor: 512.00 KB cache
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt page1gb rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 7: Home Premium x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Memory: 12.00 GB physical, 24.00 GB virtual
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Disk: 1.82 TB total, 1.77 TB free
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | Local time is UTC -5 hours
7/2/2011 5:29:53 PM | | NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 560 Ti (driver version 27533, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 2.1, 962MB, 842 GFLOPS peak)
4) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49823)
Posted 3 Jul 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Interesting that some mobos play nice and share and some don't. maybe there should be kindergarten for mobos!

My mobo is an MSI 760GM-E51 utilizing an SB710 Chipset. I am far from a hardware expert - I found this info on the specsheet from the pc. My manual says nothing about running nvidia and ATI together, but it does give info on the benefits of putting an additional ATI card in there. I've actually been thinking about building a new pc in the fall after it cools down a bit. I'd get a mobo designed for nvidia, put my 560ti in it, and replace the nvida card in my existing pc with an ATI card. Not only would that solve the problem but it would also give me more flexibility to select projects since many projects prefer ATI cards.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49812)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Thanks for all the suggestions!!

Sorry I haven't updated sooner. Long hours working this week so haven't had free time until today. My monitor has multiple inputs. Tried every combination of simultaneous DVI and VGA input from nvidia card and standard pc outputs. Fail. Used a DVI to VGA converter and tried again. Fail. Can't get any output from onboard vga or dvi outputs with the nvidia card in place. Took nvidia card out of machine and both dvi and vga output from pc operate normally. Looked in bios for any type of setting to affect this but couldn't find one that had any effect. Reset bios to optimized default and saved. Found instructions for a dummy plug, made one and tried again. Same results. The nvidia card somehow overwrites the graphics control to disable the integrated ATI graphics so that there is no output at all from either the vga or dvi plugs coming off the mobo and I can't get this to change.

Bugs me that I can't crunch with the ATI integrated Radeon 3000 and the nvidia 560ti card at the same time. Maybe I am just being obsessive, as I know the 3000 isn't all that powerful.

Am still open to ideas.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49760)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Thank you! I will work on this tonight.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49740)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Followed instructions. Got this message on reboot:
"The catalyst Control Center is not supported by the driver version of your enabled graphics adapter. Please update your AMD graphics driver, or enable your AMD adapter using the Displays Manager."

Installed new drivers for AMD. reboot, no change. nvidia works fine. Went to display mgr in control panel but AMD not listed.

Do you have any further ideas?
Thank you!
8) Message boards : News : Any remaining major credit or application problems? (Message 49736)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Just had another test2 wu fail in the last few seconds. computational error.

Name ps_separation_17_test2_7179_3
Workunit 41544572
Created 29 Jun 2011 | 0:32:27 UTC
Sent 29 Jun 2011 | 0:34:16 UTC
Received 29 Jun 2011 | 2:44:16 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Computation error
Client state Compute error
Exit status -1073740940 (0xffffffffc0000374)
Computer ID 293167
Report deadline 11 Jul 2011 | 0:34:16 UTC
Run time 858.38
CPU time 365.71
Validate state Invalid
Credit 0.00
Application version MilkyWay@Home v0.82 (cuda_opencl)

should i delete any other test2 wu's or is it more helpful for me to let them run and report them?
9) Message boards : News : Any remaining major credit or application problems? (Message 49734)
Posted 29 Jun 2011 by Ebonydogx
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I've had 1 test wu that failed today.

Name ps_separation_17_test2_6251_1
Workunit 41539444
Created 29 Jun 2011 | 0:09:36 UTC
Sent 29 Jun 2011 | 0:17:26 UTC
Received 29 Jun 2011 | 2:21:51 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Computation error
Client state Compute error
Exit status -1073740940 (0xffffffffc0000374)
Computer ID 293167
Report deadline 11 Jul 2011 | 0:17:26 UTC
Run time 897.95
CPU time 436.04
Validate state Invalid
Credit 0.00
Application version MilkyWay@Home v0.82 (cuda_opencl)

Two others came up inconclusive: wu 40332765 and wu 41529440.
i don't think this is the same cause as the test2 wu, but decided to post for your review in case it would be helpful.

10) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49698)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Ebonydogx
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Thanks for the careful instructions! I will work on this later today when work slows down a bit and let you know how it goes.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI and NVIDA in the same computor...HOW??? (Message 49685)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Ebonydogx
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I am not a programmer, so maybe running both nvidia and ati simultaneously is beyond me. if so, just tell me, that's ok. I don't want to screw something up so badly that i can't fix it. my msi mobo has built-in ati radeon HD3000 graphics. i added an nvidia gtx 560ti. ati graphics no longer function. would love to get that processing power back.

Can it be done, and if so, are there step by step instructions somewhere that an interested but non-programmer cruncher can follow?

Basic system is: win 7 SP1 64 bit running on
AMD Phenom II 955 Quad-Core 3.2 GHz
AMD 760G+SB710 Chipset
12GB DDR3 Memory
2TB SATA II Hard Drive
Integrated ATI Radeon HD 3000 series graphics from AMD

I upgraded PS to a Thermaltake 850W and then added nvidia gtx 560 ti. There should be plenty of power left over to run both graphics simultaneously.

Thanks for any help or guidance you can offer.




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