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Posts by greg_be

1) Message boards : News : Commenting on Recent Issues with the server (Message 76732)
Posted 26 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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Getting the homepage or for that matter any page to load is a long process.
Homepage takes around 15 seconds to load and this page was not much better.

It would also be nice if you could clear out all the dead GPU tasks from our acccounts.
I am flooded with Validation pending (22) [all GPU] · Validation inconclusive (50) ·[all GPU] Valid (190) [11 are the new CPU tasks, the rest are GPU from a long time ago]· Invalid (83) [all GPU] · Error (225) [all GPU]
2) Questions and Answers : Windows : No new tasks in a long time, RAC is below 1,000 (Message 76730)
Posted 25 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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It's almost like the system refuses to give me new work since 6 tasks for some odd reason did not get started by the deadline (downloaded dec 3 and supposed to be reported by the 15th). But these tasks have not gone well for the others. 2 random sampled tasks have validation inconclusive. One, the second in line had a computation error (file not found on linux).

I have reset the project, expanded the days from .3 to .5 and it refuses to send work.
The other projects then take over.

Is it this project or is it BOINC or whats going on?


Set the other projects to no new tasks and then up your cache to a full day or even 2 or 3 days, then ask MilkyWay for work, then once you get it remember to set your cache back where you like it and set your other projects to get tasks again. MilkyWay task can think they will take a long time and 0.3 or even 0.5 of a day may not be enough of a cache size.



As always Mikey, you have the answer!
Thanks and have a good holiday.
3) Questions and Answers : Windows : No new tasks in a long time, RAC is below 1,000 (Message 76728)
Posted 23 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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It's almost like the system refuses to give me new work since 6 tasks for some odd reason did not get started by the deadline (downloaded dec 3 and supposed to be reported by the 15th). But these tasks have not gone well for the others. 2 random sampled tasks have validation inconclusive. One, the second in line had a computation error (file not found on linux).

I have reset the project, expanded the days from .3 to .5 and it refuses to send work.
The other projects then take over.

Is it this project or is it BOINC or whats going on?
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Thread to report issues after server migration (Message 76713)
Posted 16 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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On the personal tasks page, when you have time, can you clean up all the broken links?
The top half of the page is filled with error messages.

Also can you clear out all the canceled tasks from earlier and all non current 'pending' tasks?

A little house keeping on the accounts would be appreciated.
Right now without going to the all tasks tab, I can not figure out what is going on with my system and your program.
5) Message boards : News : Commenting on Recent Issues with the server (Message 76694)
Posted 13 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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With the change of servers, there is a lot missing.
I am not seeing any credits showing up, when I go look at my tasks, they are all pending validation. If I click on the work unit, the system says it can not find the work unit.

When will this be fixed?


In your case never because those tasks are gpu tasks and they are no longer available at MilkyWay, ONLY cpu tasks are available at MilkyWay now,. Actually not long after you finished those tasks and probably why you never got a wingman they said in the thread where they stopped sending them out that they were no longer needed and that they had enough data to write the paper that was the whole point of the gpu tasks. Now George found a thread a few days ago sayig that they MAY bring them back again in the future, along with hopefully an app for Mac pc's but there is NO timeline at all.

The reason you have no credits is because you have just now started running the cpu tasks that will provide those credits.



Ah..thanks Mikey. I have been to busy to follow the news. I thought it was just Nbody that got killed a long time ago, not this GPU stuff. Oh well.
6) Message boards : News : Commenting on Recent Issues with the server (Message 76692)
Posted 12 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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With the change of servers, there is a lot missing.
I am not seeing any credits showing up, when I go look at my tasks, they are all pending validation. If I click on the work unit, the system says it can not find the work unit.

When will this be fixed?
7) Message boards : News : Commenting on Recent Issues with the server (Message 76689)
Posted 7 Dec 2023 by greg_be
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Hello Kevin,

My name is George Generke, Co-Administrator of GPU Users Group, and I would like to thank you for stepping up and trying to resurrect the MilkyWay project. I realize that you have a large learning curve to deal with, but I'm sure that you will get it sorted out eventually.

Also, I would like to add that we in GPU Users Group are not complainers or do we provide unwanted feedback to MilkyWay as you refer to others that have done so. It is unfortunate, but myself and the rest of my teammates are on your side and will do what we can to help if need be.

As for your comment about "the need for better communication", I'll give you my thoughts since you asked.

I think that communication is important and I hope that you can live up to your goals that you are setting. As you work though the challenges of getting things set to right, so to speak, I think at least a little blurb about once per week would be good so that we and other members/crunchers of MilkyWay can see your attempted progress. As it comes about when you make progress towards your goals, I think that you could re-schedule your time to a more lenient time frame of maybe once per month, if for no other reason than to say "all's well".

One thing that so many of us crunchers on MilkyWay were sad to see go was the ending of GPU tasks. Many of us, including those in GPU Users Group, miss that. It did cause many to switch to a different project. Are there any plans in the future of bringing GPU tasks back to life? I think I speak for all those that do and did MilkyWay that we would welcome it back again.

Once again, I would like to give you a warm welcome and say thank you for stepping up and making the progress in learning the ways of BOINC and getting the new server online. THANK YOU!

Best regards,

George Generke

Hello everyone,

One common concern has been the need for better communication. Despite my efforts to preemptively share updates, it appears more is needed. I would like to improve in this area. I'm considering regular updates (weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly) and would appreciate your thoughts on this. Please share your ideas in the comments on how I could improve communication.

Once again, I apologize for the recent issues with MilkyWay@home and am very thankful for your patience.

Best regards,
Kevin


My thought is a thread that does not allow replies, ie an Admin posting thread only, where you can post the goings on as well as any problems, upgrades, fixes etc but not have them get lost in the 1000 replies. I think a weekly posting would be enough unless like right now there are some problems and it would be helpful to post more often as it evolves into it's final solution. You can always post in the regular Forums as well and follow them as the posts about your post get posted. Boinc Projects tend to have people who know alot about Boinc and then alot of 'newbies' with the people in between that often just looking for 'why did it stop working when it was 2 days ago' people.


As a long time BOINC user...I've seen the headaches that go with transitions and loss of people.
I have been so busy in real life I haven't had the time to notice you transitioned until I got a new URL notice.
Now I understand why my tasks page is so goofed up with error messages. Everything moved.

I am with mikey. Create an admin only page for your announcements and then a new thread for discussion. That way we can see your announcements in the clear.

Keep up the good work!
8) Message boards : Number crunching : validation inconclusive on some tasks (Message 76302)
Posted 20 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Interesting reading material.
I'll have to go back over it again this weekend.
After putting in and taking out the app_cofig, all tasks held at 5 cores.
This weekend I will put back the app_config, but set it up with just 2 x 5.
3 X 5 seemed to throw things off, which could account for the errors.


It will hold at 5 cores per task until you get new post app_config file tasks and then it will resume back to the upto a max of 16 cores per task.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : validation inconclusive on some tasks (Message 76291)
Posted 19 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Interesting reading material.
I'll have to go back over it again this weekend.
After putting in and taking out the app_cofig, all tasks held at 5 cores.
This weekend I will put back the app_config, but set it up with just 2 x 5.
3 X 5 seemed to throw things off, which could account for the errors.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : validation inconclusive on some tasks (Message 76290)
Posted 19 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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6 Jul 2023, 18:23:39 UTC 17 Jul 2023, 2:29:28 UTC Completed, validation inconclusive 3,609.82 34,184.77 pending Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation v1.82 (mt)
windows_x86_64
924233079 848905 17 Jul 2023, 2:31:37 UTC 18 Jul 2023, 1:58:36 UTC Completed, validation inconclusive 8,708.07 57,765.94 pending

First one is the second guy to get the task, I am the second.
It is on to a third.

I have 64/100 tied up this way.


Inconclusive is MilkyWay's way of saying 'waiting on a wingman' most will validate in time, one your host returns 10 tasks in a row that are valid you won't need a wingman again except for periodic checks of your pc OR until you return an invalid task at which point the 10 in a row starts over again. MilkyWay does not send out the wingman task until after you have returned your task, it's kinda strange but I guess they are hoping 90% of wingman tasks wouldn't be needed anyway.


ok...i'll just wait and see

Still fuming about the GPU stuff that they blew up.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Have tasks for a week and they have not run (Message 76288)
Posted 19 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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All projects are of equal weight.
BOINC was downloading new material for other projects with later deadlines rather than running the tasks.
How many projects do you run on this computer and how large is your cache. The more projects you have, the shorter should be your cache.


9 projects of which 2 are GPU only.
Cache: .75 current and .50 extra
Should probably reduce this to .50 and .50 since I run 8-10 hours weekdays and 24/7 weekend. or 1.0 and 0
12) Message boards : Number crunching : validation inconclusive on some tasks (Message 76280)
Posted 18 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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6 Jul 2023, 18:23:39 UTC 17 Jul 2023, 2:29:28 UTC Completed, validation inconclusive 3,609.82 34,184.77 pending Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation v1.82 (mt)
windows_x86_64
924233079 848905 17 Jul 2023, 2:31:37 UTC 18 Jul 2023, 1:58:36 UTC Completed, validation inconclusive 8,708.07 57,765.94 pending

First one is the second guy to get the task, I am the second.
It is on to a third.

I have 64/100 tied up this way.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Will N-Body projects all use multiple CPUs? (Message 76279)
Posted 18 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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No, on my system it grabbed all 15 free cores until I put in an app_config, but then BOINC went nuts.
I had one group of 5 at 136%, next group at 70% and the last group was doing a pathetic 13% (rough numbers from memory)
Took app config out, it went to 2 groups of 5 with better percentages.
Waiting for the last task to finish.

It's a bit like another project I am on, it needs 4 cores and its happy with that. Under that or over that and it goes nuts. So this one is a matter of finding the sweet spot for you system if you want to run 1 task or more at a time.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Have tasks for a week and they have not run (Message 76278)
Posted 18 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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All projects are of equal weight.
BOINC was downloading new material for other projects with later deadlines rather than running the tasks.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a way to split total available cores over multple tasks here? (Message 76277)
Posted 18 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Great! Thanks for the script!
I put it in play, but there is something odd going on with CPU%
One is at 37, one is at 84 and one is at a miserable 14.
Gets even weirder...close down BOINC and restart, Now one tasks is 136% The others are 84 and 78.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a way to split total available cores over multple tasks here? (Message 76271)
Posted 17 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Ok...I looked..but I don't follow nthreads

so I want to take your (and I found others of the same nature when looking up nthreads) and I don't quite follow how you can me it 3 tasks simultaneously and each using 5 cores. I am not sure what parameters to adjust.

I know ncpu would be 5, but max concurrent? is that 3? and then nthreads is what?

15 cores dived by 3 tasks for 5 cores per task......all simultaneously
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Is there a way to split total available cores over multple tasks here? (Message 76269)
Posted 17 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Currently BOINC wants 15 cores out or 16 (1 core is dedicated for GPU and system). Is there anyway to split those cores in 3 groups of 5?
Does it change anything other than the run time if this is possible?
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Have tasks for a week and they have not run (Message 76266)
Posted 16 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Now BOINC is running the first one.
So the day before...how odd.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Have tasks for a week and they have not run (Message 76265)
Posted 16 Jul 2023 by greg_be
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Awhile back after I made a correction to my profile, I got 100 tasks (3hrs or work or so) to run by the 18th. BOINC has not let them run at all. It keeps running my other projects. So what is it going to do? Wait until the 18th and run them?
20) Message boards : News : Server Maintenance 6/28/2023 12 PM EDT (4 PM UTC) (Message 76000)
Posted 27 Jun 2023 by greg_be
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I have 105 tasks pending validation.
You guys should not have shut off the validator until all tasks are in.
That is an insult to us, we give you our time and you don't give us credit?
Come on....I quick glanced my pending validation tasks and I have a lot of stuff that ran around the 6 minute mark. Some faster. If I have 105 at a average of 5 minutes (300 some seconds) I gave you 1.75 hours approximately of time that I get no credit for, yet you use the data. That 1.75 could have been used on another project that DOES give credit.

I'm not all gungho about credit, but it does keep my graphs even or climbing and that I like.
There might be others that are all about the credit.
I see credit as a "payment" for my donation to your project. So now your not 'paying' me?
Not right.

When you have all the results in (stuck or otherwise) then you can turn off the validator and the project. Your doing it backwards. You already killed all the pending tasks, so why not wait for the rest?
Something to talk to your higher ups about.


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