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Message 48274 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 15:24:18 UTC - in response to Message 48259.  

Ok, I see now that my ATI GPU is #0 but I don't see another GPU and therefore no other # that I can put in the cc file. Also the first message in the message log is "unrecognized tag in cc_config.xml: <ignore_ati_dev>"
And if I put ignore #0 (my ati gpu) it will still work, so something is still wrong there.

good, i see Zydor has made you aware of previous versions of BOINC that don't recognize the "ignore ATI" command...he did the same for me not too long ago. and i see you've updated to a version of BOINC that recognizes the command, so that particular issue is behind you now...

regarding the other issue in which BOINC only recognizes your discrete ATI GPU and not your integrated GPU, both Alinator and Zydor have suggested good possibilities. based on the facts that 1) you had no idea that your mobo had an IGP (integrated GPU), and 2) you noted that BOINC only recognizes your discrete ATI GPU, i would have to assume that you weren't using the IGP for anything in the first place, and that's its probably disabled in the BIOS. if this is in fact the case, that would mean that you're using your discrete ATI GPU for displaying the desktop AND crunching MW@H. in other words, your problem probably isn't the same problem i had. i was trying to use my integrated GPU to run my display (and all other graphics needs), and devote the 5870 solely to distributed computing projects. your BOINC client isn't even recognizing the integrated GPU, so its highly unlikely that your errors are being caused by BOINC forcing MW@H tasks to run on your integrated GPU.

my next question for you would be what Zydor asked - what exactly are you trying to accomplish? more specifically, do you want to do what i did and use your IGP to run the display and other graphics, while devoting your discrete GPU solely to distributed computing projects? or would you like to leave the IGP completely out of the picture and use your discrete GPU for both display purposes AND DC projects? what exactly were you doing (what was your setup) before everything stopped working correctly?

as Zydor implied, you'll only need a cc_config.xml file with the ignore command if you plan on doing having both GPUs enabled in Windows like i did. if you plan on leaving the IGP disabled in Windows (via the BIOS) and using your discrete GPU for graphics AND crunching, then you don't need a cc_config.xml file. answering the questions in the above paragraph i think may be paramount in narrowing down the possible causes of your errored tasks.
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Message 48280 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 17:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 48270.  

..... What do you mean with "screen"? I don't know much about all you guys are saying, I really appreciate the help though. But I only want my Ati GPU to do some MW-work again, like before. The messages I posted only mention the Ati GPU, so you think the integrated (non-live) GPU isn't the problem?


Ok, the IGP is a red herring, its now a non topic :)

Focusing on a single card in the box .... its looking like there are possible driver errors, they look similar to no APP loaded with the driver. Take out the cc_config and app_info if you loaded them, if you didnt, forget them.

Re the drivers on the PC, at present you version 1.4.467 loaded, the application will not work on those drivers, and you need to load the updated set. Without an update you will increasingly have issues at other Projects as well, its essential they are updated.

Go to: Catalyst Software Suite 11.4 you need the one at the top - do not download the next one down, the next one does not APP driver set, you must download the top one.

When its downloaded, click to run the file, and sit back letting the install program do its thing - it will take 2-5 mins. When its finished come back to the board and let us know - we just need to check the version number of the driver in your PC details to make sure it loaded ok. If it didnt there are a few hoops and loops to go through, but for now lets try a straight load over the top of what you have.

Assuming the load went ok, its likely your card will work, but lets wait and see, there maybe other problems.

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Message 48287 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 21:11:37 UTC
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Hmmm...

Well, at least we seem to be making progress now! :-)

I'd still like to know what motherboard Skyflash is running on, because my experience has been if there is an active ATI IGP and a discrete ATI GPU as well, the IGP always shows up as ATI device zero, regardless of whether it's the primary or secondary video adapter.

That's what had me scratching my head with the cc_config device number issues Skyflash was having when we first started.

@ Zydor, so you think it's OK to go with the brand new 11.4 Cat release?
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Message 48288 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 21:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 48280.  

Ok, the IGP is a red herring, its now a non topic :)

Focusing on a single card in the box .... its looking like there are possible driver errors, they look similar to no APP loaded with the driver. Take out the cc_config and app_info if you loaded them, if you didnt, forget them.

Re the drivers on the PC, at present you version 1.4.467 loaded, the application will not work on those drivers, and you need to load the updated set. Without an update you will increasingly have issues at other Projects as well, its essential they are updated.

Go to: Catalyst Software Suite 11.4 you need the one at the top - do not download the next one down, the next one does not APP driver set, you must download the top one.

When its downloaded, click to run the file, and sit back letting the install program do its thing - it will take 2-5 mins. When its finished come back to the board and let us know - we just need to check the version number of the driver in your PC details to make sure it loaded ok. If it didnt there are a few hoops and loops to go through, but for now lets try a straight load over the top of what you have.

Assuming the load went ok, its likely your card will work, but lets wait and see, there maybe other problems.

Regards
Zy


Yeej, it was as simple as that, I had downloaded the complete new catalyst but forgot to update the drivers too. And now it works fine, thanks for the help.
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Message 48289 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 21:19:49 UTC - in response to Message 48288.  
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LOL...

Well that's good news! :-D

I guess it goes to show that nothing about BOINC (or even Windows and your hardware for that matter) is all that simple or easy to figure out at first! ;-)

As I asked earlier, just out of curiosity what motherboard are you using?
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Message 48290 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 22:07:36 UTC - in response to Message 48288.  

..... Yeej, it was as simple as that, I had downloaded the complete new catalyst but forgot to update the drivers too. And now it works fine, thanks for the help.


Excellent - Well Done.

Happy Crunching :)

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Message 48291 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 23:04:57 UTC - in response to Message 48289.  

LOL...

Well that's good news! :-D

I guess it goes to show that nothing about BOINC (or even Windows and your hardware for that matter) is all that simple or easy to figure out at first! ;-)

As I asked earlier, just out of curiosity what motherboard are you using?


I have an Asrock P55 Pro motherboard. But you are saying that I don't use my Integrated GPU at all, because it is disconnected in Bios? And what are the advantages of connecting it? Besides of doing the graphics of Boinc so your normal GPU can fully be used for crunching. Better gaming performance?
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Message 48293 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 23:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 48291.  
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.... I have an Asrock P55 Pro motherboard. But you are saying that I don't use my Integrated GPU at all, because it is disconnected in Bios? And what are the advantages of connecting it? Besides of doing the graphics of Boinc so your normal GPU can fully be used for crunching. Better gaming performance?


If you have one on the motherboard, its near certain its turned off in the Bios as you have a Graphics Card fitted. The thing about an IGP, if its the type that will load the required graphics drivers, and of the type that can run the WUs in question (different projects have different needs in terms of capability of GPUs), then what you can do is connect the Screen to the IGP socket built into the motherboard, and that free's graphic card(s) to soley crunch BOINC WUs. You could also run some BOINC WUs on the IGP when not using the screen much if the WU doesnt need much resource.

Its the next stage when you get more used to the beast, the cards and BOINC - how it all works etc. There is a fair amount of configuration to do (as you will have gathered above .... ), and really needs avoiding until you more comfortable with the whole setup as there are many trips and traps doing this with the IGP. You will not miss much as such - yes you'll gain 5,000 to 30,000 (ish) credits a day maybe more - depends on a host of things.

I'd leave it for now, concenrate on getting used to the setup you have, and running that as best you can. View it as a maybe for some time in the future.

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Message 48301 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 2:40:52 UTC - in response to Message 48293.  

Ok, if it only helps with Boinc, then I'm ok with how it works now. No need for messing it up more ;-) Again, thanks for the help and info.
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Message 48302 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 3:41:34 UTC

I have an Asrock P55 Pro motherboard. But you are saying that I don't use my Integrated GPU at all, because it is disconnected in Bios? And what are the advantages of connecting it? Besides of doing the graphics of Boinc so your normal GPU can fully be used for crunching. Better gaming performance?

the main reason my IGP is enabled is for display purposes only, as i said above. this is to mitigate the GUI lag problems everyone has been having lately. yes, i know the target frequency and polling rate parameters have been introduced in the newest version of MW@H (v0.62) specifically to address those issues, but changing those parameters is only going to reduce the lag so much. if you want a virtually lag-free GUI, you're going to need to GPUs - one GPU for display (and general graphics) purposes, and another GPU for crunching. sure, i could put my IGP to work crunching DC projects that only require single-precision floating point operations (since its not double-precision capable) and gain those extra PPD Zydor mentioned above, but then that would defeat the reason i enabled the IGP in the first place - solely to eliminate GUI lag.

i wouldn't consider the IGP something to be used for video games. despite the fact that they have come a LONG way since the first IGPs, they won't play any recent games at reasonable frame rates unless your gaming resolution is very low. older games on the other hand might be handled fine by your IGP. but if you're going to play video games, you're going to get better performance by suspending any DC projects running on your discrete GPU and using that to play the games instead.

you could also theoretically use it for running an additional display. these days most discrete GPUs are capable of running multiple displays (monitors), but in the event that your discrete GPU can't run an many displays as you'd like, you can often add an extra display via the IGP.

and finally, probably the most popular use of IGPs is for general graphics and display purposes. most folks who buy a mobo with an IGP do so to keep from having to spend extra money on a separate discrete graphics solution a.k.a. a PCI/AGP/PCIe video card. this saves money on both components and power consumption.
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Message 48312 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 11:15:57 UTC - in response to Message 48291.  

LOL...

Well that's good news! :-D

I guess it goes to show that nothing about BOINC (or even Windows and your hardware for that matter) is all that simple or easy to figure out at first! ;-)

As I asked earlier, just out of curiosity what motherboard are you using?


I have an Asrock P55 Pro motherboard. But you are saying that I don't use my Integrated GPU at all, because it is disconnected in Bios? And what are the advantages of connecting it? Besides of doing the graphics of Boinc so your normal GPU can fully be used for crunching. Better gaming performance?


Actually, I was curious because it sounded like you had an Intel chipset based MB. AFAIK, the P55 series for desktops and servers doesn't have an IGP.

Taking a look at Asrock's site for the P55 series MB's would appear to confirm that.
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Message 48318 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 12:32:59 UTC - in response to Message 48312.  
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Actually, I was curious because it sounded like you had an Intel chipset based MB. AFAIK, the P55 series for desktops and servers doesn't have an IGP.

Taking a look at Asrock's site for the P55 series MB's would appear to confirm that.


I see that it is only the new Core i5 that have an IGP, so I was right that I DID know I hadn't a IGP :-D
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Message 49425 - Posted: 19 Jun 2011, 14:40:49 UTC - in response to Message 48084.  

I confirm that the latest app 0.82_ati14 run correctly with my HD3850 AGP (and with my AMD Athlon XP).

Thanks a lot to developers!

Happy crunching :-)

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