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Message 4754 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 10:20:54 UTC
Last modified: 17 Aug 2008, 11:05:48 UTC

I have decided to Boycott this Project in Protest (And I suggest everybody else does too until this matter is corrected) over this Persons Actions & how much Credit he is getting for the Amount of Processing time his Computer does. There is no need to mention his name as I know who he is, Travis knows who he is & I'm sure other People know who he is too. Worst of all he knows who he is too and has Brazenly Flaunted what he is doing in the Forum on several occasions when questioned about it as if to dare the project or anybody else to do something about it.

You can call what he is doing whatever you like, Bending the Rules, Ahead of the Curve & even admire him for his Intelligence but in the end it is nothing more than Outright Blatant Cheating & in the same Lofty Class as the Notoriously Ugly Wate Incident of some time ago. In some ways this is even worse, this person was or still is actually part of the Project Dev Team since he has or had the Volunteer developer Title & has now unscrupulously abused that position if for no other reason than to grossly enrich his & his Teams own position's on the Projects Stats Leader Boards & also inflate his & their Credit Ego's.

This Post may get me Banned from the project but so be it because it's simply not fair to the other Participants of the Project, and it basically screws everybody that he passes on the Combined BOINC Leader Boards out of their rightful Position because of his Cheating.

Below is a little sample of his Wu's for the weekend, he tries to hide his sneaky handy work because he knows what he is doing is wrong by creating a new host ID whenever the Host he's using gets to high up in Credit or RAC but it's a Trail that's fairly easy to follow in spite of his best efforts to keep his Hosts off the Radar with his Cheating.

44860291 45529882 17 Aug 2008 0:34:44 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:50:02 UTC Over Success Done 235.67 2.27 139.29
44860290 45529881 17 Aug 2008 0:34:44 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:48:11 UTC Over Success Done 235.90 2.27 139.29
44860262 45529853 17 Aug 2008 0:32:04 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:43:26 UTC Over Success Done 237.22 2.28 139.29
44860258 45529849 17 Aug 2008 0:32:04 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:44:11 UTC Over Success Done 236.68 2.28 139.29
44860183 45529774 17 Aug 2008 0:32:04 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:48:21 UTC Over Success Done 440.61 4.24 260.00
44860181 45529772 17 Aug 2008 0:32:04 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:47:25 UTC Over Success Done 442.56 4.26 260.00
44860179 45529770 17 Aug 2008 0:29:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:42:18 UTC Over Success Done 441.58 4.25 260.00
44860178 45529769 17 Aug 2008 0:29:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:42:08 UTC Over Success Done 441.45 4.25 260.00
44860177 45529768 17 Aug 2008 0:29:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:40:37 UTC Over Success Done 441.76 4.25 260.00
44860161 45529752 17 Aug 2008 0:32:04 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:48:11 UTC Over Success Done 440.33 4.24 260.00
44860157 45529748 17 Aug 2008 0:32:04 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:45:58 UTC Over Success Done 440.94 4.25 260.00
44860154 45529745 17 Aug 2008 0:28:13 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:39:20 UTC Over Success Done 442.54 4.26 260.00
44860131 45529722 17 Aug 2008 0:28:13 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:39:50 UTC Over Success Done 441.22 4.25 260.00
44860122 45529713 17 Aug 2008 0:26:57 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:38:29 UTC Over Success Done 442.00 4.26 260.00
44860121 45529712 17 Aug 2008 0:28:13 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:40:07 UTC Over Success Done 441.40 4.25 260.00
44860102 45529693 17 Aug 2008 0:25:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:36:42 UTC Over Success Done 442.87 4.26 260.00
44860097 45529688 17 Aug 2008 0:33:22 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:50:52 UTC Over Success Done 440.95 4.25 260.00
44860093 45529684 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:32:14 UTC Over Success Done 442.20 4.26 260.00
44860089 45529680 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:32:31 UTC Over Success Done 442.65 4.26 260.00
44860084 45529675 17 Aug 2008 0:33:22 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:46:19 UTC Over Success Done 237.37 2.29 139.29
44860083 45529674 17 Aug 2008 0:33:22 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:46:08 UTC Over Success Done 237.50 2.29 139.29
44860082 45529673 17 Aug 2008 0:29:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:40:47 UTC Over Success Done 236.47 2.28 139.29
44860050 45529641 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:33:00 UTC Over Success Done 237.20 2.28 139.29
44860049 45529640 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:31:44 UTC Over Success Done 236.98 2.28 139.29
44859998 45528654 17 Aug 2008 0:25:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:34:28 UTC Over Success Done 236.19 2.27 139.29
44859983 45425197 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:26:37 UTC Over Success Done 231.71 2.23 139.29
44859980 45508286 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:34:44 UTC Over Success Done 442.51 4.26 260.00
44859979 45527855 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:29:09 UTC Over Success Done 236.56 2.28 139.29
44859964 45529588 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:23:10 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44859960 45529584 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:28:48 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859940 45529564 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:23:00 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.07 4.06
44859926 45529550 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:24:52 UTC Over Success Done 7.68 0.07 4.06
44859924 45529548 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:24:42 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.07 4.06
44859910 45529534 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:48 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859908 45529532 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:38 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.07 4.06
44859907 45529531 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:28 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44859906 45529530 17 Aug 2008 0:20:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:28 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859904 45529528 17 Aug 2008 0:26:57 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:30:57 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44859870 45529494 17 Aug 2008 0:16:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:21:47 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859854 45529478 17 Aug 2008 0:25:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:30:22 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859849 45529473 17 Aug 2008 0:25:34 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:30:32 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.07 4.06
44859843 45529467 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:27:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44859832 45529456 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:28:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44859831 45529455 17 Aug 2008 0:12:46 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:21:37 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859811 45529435 17 Aug 2008 0:16:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44859810 45529434 17 Aug 2008 0:16:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:08 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44859809 45529433 17 Aug 2008 0:16:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:21:58 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.07 4.06
44859802 45529426 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:30:47 UTC Over Success Done 236.92 2.28 139.29
44859799 45529423 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:30:12 UTC Over Success Done 236.83 2.28 139.29
44859795 45529419 17 Aug 2008 0:10:19 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:23:40 UTC Over Success Done 237.71 2.29 139.29
44859789 45529413 17 Aug 2008 0:24:16 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:28:38 UTC Over Success Done 237.54 2.29 139.29
44859776 45529400 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:21:26 UTC Over Success Done 235.89 2.27 139.29
44859768 45529392 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:20:04 UTC Over Success Done 236.90 2.28 139.29
44859761 45529385 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:19:29 UTC Over Success Done 236.09 2.27 139.29
44859759 45529383 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:18:34 UTC Over Success Done 238.14 2.29 139.29
44859718 45529342 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:22:48 UTC Over Success Done 441.87 4.25 260.00
44859712 45529336 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:24:27 UTC Over Success Done 442.61 4.26 260.00


44859695 45529320 17 Aug 2008 0:10:19 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:27:37 UTC Over Success Done 441.09 4.25 260.00
44859691 45529316 17 Aug 2008 0:10:19 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:27:07 UTC Over Success Done 441.56 4.25 260.00
44859690 45529315 17 Aug 2008 0:04:23 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:17:33 UTC Over Success Done 440.17 4.24 260.00
44859669 45529294 17 Aug 2008 0:02:45 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:16:46 UTC Over Success Done 443.21 4.27 260.00
44859661 45529286 17 Aug 2008 0:01:23 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:16:01 UTC Over Success Done 440.83 4.24 260.00
44859660 45529285 17 Aug 2008 0:01:23 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:15:20 UTC Over Success Done 440.66 4.24 260.00
44859659 45529284 17 Aug 2008 0:01:23 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:15:10 UTC Over Success Done 443.40 4.27 260.00
44859642 45529267 17 Aug 2008 0:04:23 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:19:39 UTC Over Success Done 441.01 4.25 260.00
44859619 45529244 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:26:06 UTC Over Success Done 441.17 4.25 260.00
44859618 45529243 17 Aug 2008 0:08:52 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:25:08 UTC Over Success Done 440.89 4.24 260.00
44859616 45529241 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:12:01 UTC Over Success Done 442.56 4.26 260.00
44859603 45529228 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:14:29 UTC Over Success Done 442.09 4.26 260.00
44859575 45529200 16 Aug 2008 23:56:33 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:09:44 UTC Over Success Done 441.44 4.25 260.00
44859557 45529182 17 Aug 2008 0:04:07 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:17:22 UTC Over Success Done 442.06 4.26 260.00
44859533 45529158 16 Aug 2008 23:55:12 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:04:23 UTC Over Success Done 237.62 2.29 139.29
44859531 45529156 16 Aug 2008 23:55:12 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:03:42 UTC Over Success Done 236.51 2.28 139.29
44859518 45529143 16 Aug 2008 23:56:33 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:07:48 UTC Over Success Done 236.98 2.28 139.29
44859516 45529141 16 Aug 2008 23:56:33 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:05:04 UTC Over Success Done 235.84 2.27 139.29
44859515 45529140 16 Aug 2008 23:56:33 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:04:23 UTC Over Success Done 237.53 2.29 139.29
44859505 45529130 16 Aug 2008 23:55:11 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:00:26 UTC Over Success Done 237.03 2.28 139.29
44859498 45529123 16 Aug 2008 23:52:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:58:50 UTC Over Success Done 237.50 2.29 139.29
44859497 45529122 16 Aug 2008 23:52:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:58:04 UTC Over Success Done 237.64 2.29 139.29
44859496 45529121 16 Aug 2008 23:52:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:58:04 UTC Over Success Done 235.98 2.27 139.29
44859490 45529115 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:08:33 UTC Over Success Done 238.31 2.29 139.29
44859276 45528915 16 Aug 2008 23:40:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:54:07 UTC Over Success Done 237.31 2.28 139.29
44859264 45528903 16 Aug 2008 23:44:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:55:57 UTC Over Success Done 237.32 2.28 139.29
44859258 45528897 16 Aug 2008 23:36:53 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:48:36 UTC Over Success Done 237.25 2.28 139.29
44859252 45528891 16 Aug 2008 23:36:53 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:49:22 UTC Over Success Done 236.87 2.28 139.29
44859236 45528875 16 Aug 2008 23:38:14 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:51:59 UTC Over Success Done 237.48 2.29 139.29
44859227 45528866 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:10:04 UTC Over Success Done 237.62 2.29 139.29
44859218 45528857 16 Aug 2008 23:35:31 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:47:55 UTC Over Success Done 237.34 2.28 139.29
44859195 45528834 16 Aug 2008 23:46:07 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:59:45 UTC Over Success Done 442.87 4.26 260.00
44859194 45528833 16 Aug 2008 23:35:31 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:51:48 UTC Over Success Done 441.94 4.25 260.00
44859192 45528831 16 Aug 2008 23:35:31 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:50:02 UTC Over Success Done 440.97 4.25 260.00
44859166 45528805 16 Aug 2008 23:48:50 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:00:57 UTC Over Success Done 441.33 4.25 260.00
44859160 45528799 16 Aug 2008 23:38:14 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:56:17 UTC Over Success Done 441.75 4.25 260.00
44859152 45528791 16 Aug 2008 23:44:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:59:30 UTC Over Success Done 440.33 4.24 260.00
44859149 45528788 16 Aug 2008 23:36:53 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:54:46 UTC Over Success Done 441.73 4.25 260.00
44859148 45528787 16 Aug 2008 23:36:53 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:53:15 UTC Over Success Done 441.20 4.25 260.00
44859146 45528785 16 Aug 2008 23:55:11 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:06:46 UTC Over Success Done 442.25 4.26 260.00
44859134 45528773 16 Aug 2008 23:35:31 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:51:48 UTC Over Success Done 441.00 4.25 260.00
44859131 45528770 16 Aug 2008 23:29:21 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:45:43 UTC Over Success Done 442.48 4.26 260.00
44859130 45528769 16 Aug 2008 23:29:21 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:45:17 UTC Over Success Done 443.00 4.26 260.00
44859129 45528768 16 Aug 2008 23:29:21 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:44:32 UTC Over Success Done 440.25 4.24 260.00
44859487 45529112 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:09:18 UTC Over Success Done 236.98 2.28 139.29
44859479 45529104 16 Aug 2008 23:52:47 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:00:16 UTC Over Success Done 236.37 2.28 139.29
44859471 45528606 16 Aug 2008 23:55:11 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:02:08 UTC Over Success Done 237.09 2.28 139.29
44859470 45517322 16 Aug 2008 23:55:11 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:05:34 UTC Over Success Done 441.87 4.25 260.00
44859460 45511333 16 Aug 2008 23:55:12 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:07:27 UTC Over Success Done 441.16 4.25 260.00
44859452 45529091 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:05:56 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44859447 45529086 16 Aug 2008 23:52:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:56:17 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.07 4.06
44859446 45529085 16 Aug 2008 23:52:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:56:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44859417 45529056 16 Aug 2008 23:47:29 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:53:35 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859415 45529054 16 Aug 2008 23:55:11 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:59:00 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.07 4.06
44859389 45529028 16 Aug 2008 23:55:11 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:59:10 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44859381 45529020 16 Aug 2008 23:50:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:54:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44859380 45529019 16 Aug 2008 23:50:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:53:56 UTC Over Success Done 7.61 0.07 4.06
44859377 45529016 16 Aug 2008 23:48:50 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:53:46 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.07 4.06
44859371 45529010 16 Aug 2008 23:46:07 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:53:25 UTC Over Success Done 7.68 0.07 4.06
44859335 45528974 16 Aug 2008 23:43:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:51:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44859333 45528972 16 Aug 2008 23:44:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:52:09 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.07 4.06
44859310 45528949 17 Aug 2008 0:00:06 UTC 17 Aug 2008 0:05:44 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44859294 45528933 16 Aug 2008 23:44:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:51:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44859128 45528767 16 Aug 2008 23:29:21 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:44:16 UTC Over Success Done 439.64 4.23 260.00
44859127 45528766 16 Aug 2008 23:29:21 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:44:16 UTC Over Success Done 443.57 4.27 260.00
44859126 45528765 16 Aug 2008 23:29:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:43:45 UTC Over Success Done 441.55 4.25 260.00
44859101 45528740 16 Aug 2008 23:33:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:47:14 UTC Over Success Done 432.81 4.17 260.00
44859053 45528692 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:36:14 UTC Over Success Done 441.56 4.25 260.00
44859044 45528683 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:35:57 UTC Over Success Done 440.38 4.24 260.00
44859043 45528682 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:34:26 UTC Over Success Done 442.11 4.26 260.00
44859041 45528680 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:34:05 UTC Over Success Done 235.61 2.27 139.29
44859035 45528674 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:38:25 UTC Over Success Done 236.01 2.27 139.29
44859033 45528672 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:37:49 UTC Over Success Done 236.67 2.28 139.29
44859029 45528668 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:36:33 UTC Over Success Done 236.47 2.28 139.29
44859004 45528643 16 Aug 2008 23:39:29 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:53:25 UTC Over Success Done 236.14 2.27 139.29
44859002 45528641 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:32:28 UTC Over Success Done 235.34 2.27 139.29
44858983 45528622 16 Aug 2008 23:27:57 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:39:56 UTC Over Success Done 236.62 2.28 139.29
44858976 45528615 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:38:14 UTC Over Success Done 237.28 2.28 139.29
44858957 45515877 16 Aug 2008 23:24:14 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:33:39 UTC Over Success Done 441.92 4.25 260.00
44858948 45528131 16 Aug 2008 23:21:46 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:30:06 UTC Over Success Done 236.48 2.28 139.29
44858946 45520588 16 Aug 2008 23:21:46 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:26:05 UTC Over Success Done 7.66 0.07 4.06
44858926 45505932 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:36:33 UTC Over Success Done 440.67 4.24 260.00
44858914 45527166 16 Aug 2008 23:30:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:42:29 UTC Over Success Done 235.80 2.27 139.29
44858896 45528581 16 Aug 2008 23:21:46 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:26:15 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44858894 45528579 16 Aug 2008 23:21:46 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:55 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44858882 45528567 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:29:05 UTC Over Success Done 7.69 0.07 4.06
44858878 45528563 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:28:44 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44858845 45528530 16 Aug 2008 23:17:57 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:44 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.07 4.06
44858789 45528474 16 Aug 2008 23:19:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:55 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44858783 45528468 16 Aug 2008 23:17:57 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:44 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.07 4.06
44858779 45528464 16 Aug 2008 23:14:26 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:33 UTC Over Success Done 7.69 0.07 4.06
44858778 45528463 16 Aug 2008 23:14:26 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:16 UTC Over Success Done 7.64 0.07 4.06
44858777 45528462 16 Aug 2008 23:14:26 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:06 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44858776 45528461 16 Aug 2008 23:14:26 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:06 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44858775 45528460 16 Aug 2008 23:14:26 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:24:55 UTC Over Success Done 7.69 0.07 4.06
44858769 45528454 16 Aug 2008 23:26:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:33:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44858729 45528414 16 Aug 2008 23:10:35 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:25:44 UTC Over Success Done 235.59 2.27 139.29
44858663 45528348 16 Aug 2008 23:10:35 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:28:34 UTC Over Success Done 441.78 4.25 260.00
44858647 45528332 16 Aug 2008 23:06:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:24:14 UTC Over Success Done 432.33 4.16 260.00
44858638 45528323 16 Aug 2008 23:06:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:21:31 UTC Over Success Done 439.99 4.24 260.00
44858637 45528322 16 Aug 2008 23:06:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:21:20 UTC Over Success Done 439.63 4.23 260.00
44858613 45528298 16 Aug 2008 23:09:19 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:28:34 UTC Over Success Done 440.81 4.24 260.00
44858599 45528284 16 Aug 2008 23:06:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:24:45 UTC Over Success Done 442.23 4.26 260.00
44858598 45528283 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:17:02 UTC Over Success Done 442.31 4.26 260.00
44858593 45528278 16 Aug 2008 23:06:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:21:05 UTC Over Success Done 443.89 4.27 260.00
44858568 45528253 16 Aug 2008 23:06:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:26:51 UTC Over Success Done 439.67 4.23 260.00
44858566 45528251 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:20:55 UTC Over Success Done 441.59 4.25 260.00
44858546 45528231 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:19:18 UTC Over Success Done 442.20 4.26 260.00
44858540 45528225 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:14:06 UTC Over Success Done 440.41 4.24 260.00
44858539 45528224 16 Aug 2008 23:10:35 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:28:54 UTC Over Success Done 440.23 4.24 260.00
44858532 45528217 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:09:30 UTC Over Success Done 443.37 4.27 260.00
44858529 45528214 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:11:48 UTC Over Success Done 439.77 4.23 260.00
44858514 45528199 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:13:09 UTC Over Success Done 434.81 4.19 260.00
44858503 45528188 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:09:30 UTC Over Success Done 442.06 4.26 260.00
44858493 45528178 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:09:19 UTC Over Success Done 235.67 2.27 139.29
44858484 45528169 16 Aug 2008 22:56:13 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:05:45 UTC Over Success Done 237.96 2.29 139.29
44858481 45528166 16 Aug 2008 23:12:03 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:28:24 UTC Over Success Done 236.19 2.27 139.29
44858465 45528150 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:17:18 UTC Over Success Done 235.94 2.27 139.29
44858463 45528148 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:13:46 UTC Over Success Done 236.25 2.27 139.29
44858462 45528147 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:13:35 UTC Over Success Done 237.73 2.29 139.29
44858460 45528145 16 Aug 2008 23:03:18 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:13:19 UTC Over Success Done 235.90 2.27 139.29
44858449 45528134 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:09:45 UTC Over Success Done 237.40 2.29 139.29
44858434 45528119 16 Aug 2008 22:53:32 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:05:25 UTC Over Success Done 234.83 2.26 139.29
44858418 45528103 16 Aug 2008 22:53:32 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:05:15 UTC Over Success Done 239.18 2.30 139.29
44858392 45528094 16 Aug 2008 22:51:04 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:57:19 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44858381 45528083 16 Aug 2008 22:51:04 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:57:46 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44858379 45528081 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:05:35 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44858375 45528077 16 Aug 2008 22:53:32 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:58:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44858374 45528076 16 Aug 2008 22:53:32 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:57:56 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44858342 45528044 16 Aug 2008 22:51:04 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:57:30 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44858332 45528034 16 Aug 2008 22:49:39 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:57:09 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.07 4.06
44858316 45528018 16 Aug 2008 22:46:04 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:56:38 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44858282 45527984 16 Aug 2008 22:41:58 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:51:51 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.07 4.06
44858267 45527969 16 Aug 2008 22:39:23 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:51:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.86 0.08 4.06
44858261 45527963 16 Aug 2008 22:54:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:59:38 UTC Over Success Done 7.91 0.08 4.06
44858249 45527951 16 Aug 2008 22:53:32 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:59:22 UTC Over Success Done 7.92 0.08 4.06
44858246 45527948 16 Aug 2008 22:58:38 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:00:17 UTC Over Success Done 7.96 0.08 4.06
44858239 45527941 16 Aug 2008 22:38:06 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:51:26 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44858228 45527930 16 Aug 2008 22:43:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:56:56 UTC Over Success Done 238.60 2.30 139.29
44858213 45527915 16 Aug 2008 22:41:58 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:56:24 UTC Over Success Done 238.09 2.29 139.29
44858201 45527903 16 Aug 2008 22:43:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:59:10 UTC Over Success Done 238.76 2.30 139.29
44858195 45527897 16 Aug 2008 22:33:29 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:50:23 UTC Over Success Done 238.39 2.30 139.29
44858175 45527877 16 Aug 2008 22:33:13 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:50:05 UTC Over Success Done 237.61 2.29 139.29
44858166 45527868 16 Aug 2008 22:36:35 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:55:07 UTC Over Success Done 237.36 2.29 139.29
44858140 45527842 16 Aug 2008 22:35:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:59:49 UTC Over Success Done 444.21 4.28 260.00
44858139 45527841 16 Aug 2008 22:38:06 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:00:17 UTC Over Success Done 443.93 4.27 260.00
44858138 45527840 16 Aug 2008 22:46:04 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:06:36 UTC Over Success Done 444.23 4.28 260.00
44858133 45527835 16 Aug 2008 22:33:13 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:54:18 UTC Over Success Done 445.74 4.29 260.00
44858095 45527797 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:50:50 UTC Over Success Done 445.51 4.29 260.00
44858094 45527796 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:52:19 UTC Over Success Done 443.42 4.27 260.00
44858093 45527795 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:49:39 UTC Over Success Done 449.81 4.33 260.00
44858079 45527781 16 Aug 2008 22:33:45 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:59:22 UTC Over Success Done 449.03 4.32 260.00
44858078 45527780 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:45:47 UTC Over Success Done 442.51 4.26 260.00
44858076 45527778 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:42:30 UTC Over Success Done 448.60 4.32 260.00
44858068 45527770 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:45:26 UTC Over Success Done 450.56 4.34 260.00
44858067 45527769 16 Aug 2008 22:30:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:51:16 UTC Over Success Done 443.11 4.27 260.00
44858045 45527747 16 Aug 2008 22:46:04 UTC 16 Aug 2008 23:05:35 UTC Over Success Done 444.73 4.28 260.00
44858021 45527723 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:45:37 UTC Over Success Done 442.96 4.26 260.00
44857981 45527683 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:42:42 UTC Over Success Done 236.86 2.28 139.29
44857931 45527633 16 Aug 2008 22:25:34 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:38:15 UTC Over Success Done 234.42 2.26 139.29
44857928 45527630 16 Aug 2008 22:21:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:33:57 UTC Over Success Done 236.87 2.28 139.29
44857923 45527625 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:40:56 UTC Over Success Done 236.53 2.28 139.29
44857914 45527616 16 Aug 2008 22:21:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:37:02 UTC Over Success Done 237.37 2.29 139.29
44857911 45527613 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:41:43 UTC Over Success Done 237.22 2.28 139.29
44857844 45527563 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:28:13 UTC Over Success Done 7.94 0.08 4.06
44857837 45527556 16 Aug 2008 22:23:03 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:33:45 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44857807 45527526 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:27:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44857806 45527525 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:27:24 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44857803 45527522 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.07 4.06
44857802 45527521 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:28:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44857799 45527518 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:27:35 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44857797 45527516 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.07 4.06
44857796 45527515 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:41 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.07 4.06
44857790 45527509 16 Aug 2008 22:21:40 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:32:33 UTC Over Success Done 7.68 0.07 4.06
44857786 45527505 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:29:01 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.07 4.06
44857770 45527489 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:28:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.07 4.06
44857763 45527482 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.68 0.07 4.06
44857759 45527478 16 Aug 2008 22:12:10 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:28:05 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44857758 45527477 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44857757 45527476 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:10 UTC Over Success Done 8.16 0.08 4.06
44857752 45527471 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:31 UTC Over Success Done 7.68 0.07 4.06
44857750 45527469 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.66 0.07 4.06
44857747 45527466 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:37:12 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44857743 45527462 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:12:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.07 4.06
44857723 45527442 16 Aug 2008 22:17:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:29:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.94 0.08 4.06
44857722 45527441 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:36:35 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.07 4.06
44857714 45527433 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:29:17 UTC Over Success Done 238.93 2.30 139.29
44857710 45527429 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:32:23 UTC Over Success Done 236.58 2.28 139.29
44857675 45527394 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:16:18 UTC Over Success Done 236.89 2.28 139.29
44857674 45527393 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:24:53 UTC Over Success Done 236.54 2.28 139.29
44857666 45527385 16 Aug 2008 22:13:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:33:29 UTC Over Success Done 235.78 2.27 139.29
44857663 45527382 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:23:03 UTC Over Success Done 236.26 2.27 139.29
44857655 45527374 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:27:12 UTC Over Success Done 236.34 2.28 139.29
44857586 45527305 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:28:29 UTC Over Success Done 440.94 4.25 260.00
44857572 45527291 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:20:24 UTC Over Success Done 458.17 4.41 260.00
44857541 45527260 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:20:34 UTC Over Success Done 441.83 4.25 260.00
44857496 45527215 16 Aug 2008 22:11:42 UTC 16 Aug 2008 22:20:04 UTC Over Success Done 446.96 4.30 260.00
44839710 45510884 16 Aug 2008 3:27:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:42:22 UTC Over Success Done 440.20 4.37 260.00
44839701 45510875 16 Aug 2008 3:27:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:39:14 UTC Over Success Done 442.25 4.39 260.00
44839686 45510860 16 Aug 2008 3:27:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:43:32 UTC Over Success Done 440.44 4.38 260.00
44839674 45510848 16 Aug 2008 3:28:36 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:44:55 UTC Over Success Done 439.56 4.37 260.00
44839649 45510823 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:39:14 UTC Over Success Done 444.62 4.42 260.00
44839648 45510822 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:37:32 UTC Over Success Done 443.15 4.40 260.00
44839632 45510806 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:38:38 UTC Over Success Done 444.29 4.42 260.00
44839625 45510799 16 Aug 2008 3:27:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:40:30 UTC Over Success Done 441.14 4.38 260.00
44839602 45510776 16 Aug 2008 3:27:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:40:05 UTC Over Success Done 440.75 4.38 260.00
44839600 45510774 16 Aug 2008 3:20:55 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:33:02 UTC Over Success Done 442.08 4.39 260.00
44839599 45510773 16 Aug 2008 3:20:55 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:32:38 UTC Over Success Done 444.67 4.42 260.00
44839593 45510767 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:34:48 UTC Over Success Done 441.58 4.39 260.00
44839586 45510760 16 Aug 2008 3:19:29 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:31:49 UTC Over Success Done 443.84 4.41 260.00
44839573 45510747 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:32:06 UTC Over Success Done 237.00 2.36 139.29
44839570 45510744 16 Aug 2008 3:28:36 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:42:50 UTC Over Success Done 235.67 2.34 139.29
44839537 45510711 16 Aug 2008 3:18:06 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:28:02 UTC Over Success Done 237.17 2.36 139.29
44839531 45510705 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:27:29 UTC Over Success Done 237.34 2.36 139.29
44839510 45510684 16 Aug 2008 3:27:20 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:36:05 UTC Over Success Done 235.62 2.34 139.29
44839505 45510679 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:31:02 UTC Over Success Done 235.94 2.34 139.29
44839503 45510677 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:21:34 UTC Over Success Done 237.01 2.36 139.29
44839500 45510674 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:26:06 UTC Over Success Done 238.00 2.37 139.29
44839499 45510673 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:25:29 UTC Over Success Done 237.28 2.36 139.29
44839498 45510672 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:25:14 UTC Over Success Done 232.33 2.31 139.29
44839497 45510671 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:24:11 UTC Over Success Done 237.18 2.36 139.29
44839494 45509622 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44839491 45509450 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:22:47 UTC Over Success Done 236.62 2.35 139.29
44839489 45510052 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44839488 45510022 16 Aug 2008 3:15:16 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:45 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44839485 45510018 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:24:01 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44839475 45510005 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:26:42 UTC Over Success Done 237.62 2.36 139.29
44839444 45510667 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44839413 45510636 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:20:08 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44839410 45510633 16 Aug 2008 3:11:30 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44839407 45510630 16 Aug 2008 3:22:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:27:03 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44839399 45510622 16 Aug 2008 3:24:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:31:40 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44839398 45510621 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:17:26 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44839396 45510619 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44839392 45510615 16 Aug 2008 3:11:30 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:01 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44839382 45510605 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:16:12 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.08 4.06
44839368 45510591 16 Aug 2008 3:11:30 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:01 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44839365 45510588 16 Aug 2008 3:10:06 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44839364 45510587 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:16:12 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44839362 45510585 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:16:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.94 0.08 4.06
44839358 45510581 16 Aug 2008 3:22:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:26:52 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44839341 45510564 16 Aug 2008 3:16:44 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:23:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44839333 45510556 16 Aug 2008 3:07:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44839319 45510542 16 Aug 2008 3:12:47 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:01 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.08 4.06
44839317 45510540 16 Aug 2008 3:07:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44839302 45510525 16 Aug 2008 3:07:39 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44839296 45510519 16 Aug 2008 3:07:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44839270 45510493 16 Aug 2008 3:02:15 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:15:45 UTC Over Success Done 237.31 2.36 139.29
44839246 45510469 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:13:35 UTC Over Success Done 237.57 2.36 139.29
44839245 45510468 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:11:40 UTC Over Success Done 236.53 2.35 139.29
44839244 45510467 16 Aug 2008 3:00:48 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:10:44 UTC Over Success Done 236.01 2.35 139.29
44839240 45510463 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:19:56 UTC Over Success Done 238.63 2.37 139.29
44839237 45510460 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:39 UTC Over Success Done 237.43 2.36 139.29
44839234 45510457 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:11:04 UTC Over Success Done 235.97 2.34 139.29
44839233 45510456 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:10:44 UTC Over Success Done 235.70 2.34 139.29
44839227 45510450 16 Aug 2008 3:05:52 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:17:16 UTC Over Success Done 238.31 2.37 139.29
44839222 45510445 16 Aug 2008 3:22:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:30:11 UTC Over Success Done 236.06 2.35 139.29
44839188 45510411 16 Aug 2008 2:56:13 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:07 UTC Over Success Done 445.45 4.43 260.00
44839182 45510405 16 Aug 2008 2:56:13 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:13:57 UTC Over Success Done 445.85 4.43 260.00
44839181 45510404 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:24:01 UTC Over Success Done 442.06 4.39 260.00
44839167 45510390 16 Aug 2008 2:54:50 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:13:13 UTC Over Success Done 444.01 4.41 260.00
44839166 45510389 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:23:23 UTC Over Success Done 442.22 4.39 260.00
44839161 45510384 16 Aug 2008 2:53:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:07:39 UTC Over Success Done 440.28 4.38 260.00
44839153 45510376 16 Aug 2008 2:54:50 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:09:32 UTC Over Success Done 441.61 4.39 260.00
44839152 45510375 16 Aug 2008 3:15:17 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:23:40 UTC Over Success Done 442.45 4.40 260.00
44839136 45510359 16 Aug 2008 3:07:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:22:00 UTC Over Success Done 447.38 4.45 260.00
44839116 45510339 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:07:05 UTC Over Success Done 439.70 4.37 260.00
44839109 45510332 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:18:43 UTC Over Success Done 442.12 4.39 260.00
44839101 45510324 16 Aug 2008 2:50:45 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:02:00 UTC Over Success Done 440.81 4.38 260.00
44839096 45510319 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:06:51 UTC Over Success Done 440.95 4.38 260.00
44839094 45510317 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:05:36 UTC Over Success Done 442.54 4.40 260.00
44839085 45510308 16 Aug 2008 3:07:22 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:21:22 UTC Over Success Done 444.09 4.41 260.00
44839081 45510304 16 Aug 2008 3:18:06 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:31:29 UTC Over Success Done 442.78 4.40 260.00
44839051 45510274 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:06:33 UTC Over Success Done 439.99 4.37 260.00
44839049 45510272 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:06:33 UTC Over Success Done 444.38 4.42 260.00
44839042 45510265 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:06:23 UTC Over Success Done 448.66 4.46 260.00
44839038 45510261 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:00:17 UTC Over Success Done 439.99 4.37 260.00
44839037 45510260 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:59:14 UTC Over Success Done 442.84 4.40 260.00
44839036 45510259 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:59:14 UTC Over Success Done 444.26 4.41 260.00
44839035 45510258 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:59:00 UTC Over Success Done 443.78 4.41 260.00
44839029 45510252 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:52:47 UTC Over Success Done 238.31 2.37 139.29
44839026 45510249 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:53:54 UTC Over Success Done 238.43 2.37 139.29
44839004 45510227 16 Aug 2008 3:00:49 UTC 16 Aug 2008 3:14:50 UTC Over Success Done 236.89 2.35 139.29
44838991 45510214 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:55:01 UTC Over Success Done 237.95 2.36 139.29
44838990 45510213 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:39 UTC Over Success Done 242.78 2.41 139.29
44838989 45510212 16 Aug 2008 2:49:21 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:58:00 UTC Over Success Done 236.76 2.35 139.29
44838988 45510211 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:47:30 UTC Over Success Done 238.12 2.37 139.29
44838987 45510210 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:29 UTC Over Success Done 238.92 2.37 139.29
44838983 45510206 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:59:26 UTC Over Success Done 236.48 2.35 139.29
44838973 45510196 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:29 UTC Over Success Done 239.40 2.38 139.29
44838972 45510195 16 Aug 2008 2:44:27 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:33 UTC Over Success Done 238.76 2.37 139.29
44838971 45510194 16 Aug 2008 2:44:27 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:11 UTC Over Success Done 238.31 2.37 139.29
44838970 45510193 16 Aug 2008 2:44:27 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:11 UTC Over Success Done 237.89 2.36 139.29
44838940 45503559 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:49:49 UTC Over Success Done 442.57 4.40 260.00
44838936 45499330 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:29 UTC Over Success Done 231.66 2.30 139.29
44838916 45510172 16 Aug 2008 2:44:27 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:47:11 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838915 45510171 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:33 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838914 45510170 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838913 45510169 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:21 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.08 4.06
44838908 45510164 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:53 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838906 45510162 16 Aug 2008 2:47:59 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:51:11 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.08 4.06
44838904 45510160 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44838903 45510159 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44838901 45510157 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:43:22 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44838896 45510152 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:42:24 UTC Over Success Done 8.00 0.08 4.06
44838894 45510150 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:42:35 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.08 4.06
44838881 45510137 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44838880 45510136 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:41:30 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44838879 45510135 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:41:15 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44838878 45510134 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44838877 45510133 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:39:59 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44838875 45510131 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44838872 45510128 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44838871 45510127 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838870 45510126 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:07 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44838867 45510123 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:31 UTC Over Success Done 7.82 0.08 4.06
44838863 45510119 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:53 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838859 45510115 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:42 UTC Over Success Done 7.86 0.08 4.06
44838857 45510113 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838856 45510112 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.89 0.08 4.06
44838854 45510110 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:40:19 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44838849 45510105 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:46:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838848 45510104 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:39:13 UTC Over Success Done 7.86 0.08 4.06
44838847 45510103 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.97 0.08 4.06
44838845 45510101 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44838842 45510098 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:59:41 UTC Over Success Done 7.75 0.08 4.06
44838840 45510096 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:40:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838839 45510095 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:40:39 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838836 45510092 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:41:15 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838835 45510091 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:41:00 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44838832 45510088 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:40:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838831 45510087 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:40:19 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44838829 45510085 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:40:09 UTC Over Success Done 7.85 0.08 4.06
44838807 45510063 16 Aug 2008 2:52:09 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:55:12 UTC Over Success Done 7.80 0.08 4.06
44838801 45510057 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:47:00 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44838800 45510056 16 Aug 2008 2:41:56 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:47:00 UTC Over Success Done 7.94 0.08 4.06
44838798 45510054 16 Aug 2008 2:39:28 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:41:15 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838793 45510049 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:39:03 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838792 45510048 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:39:03 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44838791 45510047 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:39:03 UTC Over Success Done 7.86 0.08 4.06
44838788 45510044 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:53 UTC Over Success Done 7.88 0.08 4.06
44838787 45510043 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:53 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838786 45510042 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:42 UTC Over Success Done 7.72 0.08 4.06
44838784 45510040 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:31 UTC Over Success Done 7.74 0.08 4.06
44838783 45510039 16 Aug 2008 2:38:05 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:38:42 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
44838780 45510036 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:50 UTC Over Success Done 7.78 0.08 4.06
44838778 45510034 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.83 0.08 4.06
44838777 45510033 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.92 0.08 4.06
44838775 45510031 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:29 UTC Over Success Done 7.71 0.08 4.06
44838771 45510027 16 Aug 2008 2:36:41 UTC 16 Aug 2008 2:37:18 UTC Over Success Done 7.77 0.08 4.06
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Message 4755 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 11:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 4754.  
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You can call what he is doing whatever you like, Bending the Rules, Ahead of the Curve & even admire him for his Intelligence but in the end it is nothing more than Outright Blatant Cheating...


There's no bending of ANY rules involved here nor is it cheating. It's open source and ANYONE including you can optimize the code to be more efficient. There's no rule in BOINC that prevents that.


... & in the same Lofty Class as the Notoriously Ugly Wate Incident of some time ago.


be very careful about what you say here... Wate hacked peoples computers and illegally installed BOINC on them.


In some ways this is even worse, this person was or still is actually part of the Project Dev Team since he has or had the Volunteer developer Title & has now unscrupulously abused that position if for no other reason than to grossly


Abused... those optimizations that i implemented now were presented to the Dev team several months ago, if they don't use it and ONLY let "volunteers" do their work...
besides that i would remind you of the situation here before when most if not all applications were 10 times slower than now and who do you think made them faster in the first place ? In fact all applications that are handed out by the project now are compiled by me (that includes the 10x speedup compared to the previous ones).



...enrich his & his Teams own position's on the Projects Stats Leader Boards & also inflate his & their Credit Ego's.


Now were getting to the true point of your post.
Envy, and greed for something that's off limits to you.


...Hosts off the Radar with his Cheating.


You do not have a clue to why this is being done nor do you know my attentions. Again i see only envy as the true reason for posting your false accusations of cheating.

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After checking my account at Cosmology and reading your PM to me it's quite clear what's behind your post.


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PS: By the way, nice output over @ at the MilkyWay Project, I can't touch you there ... :)


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Message 4756 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 12:23:33 UTC
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Ahhhhh, I knew you would respond, as far as I'm concerned there's nothing to get envious about over somebody's Cheating Credits. I wouldn't even feel right about what your doing so there's no envy, loss of Respect for you but no Envy at all.

There's no bending of ANY rules involved here nor is it cheating. It's open source and ANYONE including you can optimize the code to be more efficient. There's no rule in BOINC that prevents that.


If everything is so up & up then why do you keep creating new Host ID's, why don't you just keep using the same Host ID & let your Host show the 150,000+ Credits & RAC it's getting every day so everybody can see it out in the open.

be very careful about what you say here... Wate hacked peoples computers and illegally installed BOINC on them


I never said you hacked computers or illegally installed BOINC on anybody's computer either, I just put what your doing as something just as bad or worse even because your in a supposed Position of Trust by being a Project Volunteer developer & you've abused that Trust.

Oh & by the way weren't you one of the more outspoken people against Wate for what he did, but you feel what your doing is okay & justified.

You do not have a clue to why this is being done nor do you know my attentions.


Yes, theres always some deep dark secret underlying reason for a Cheaters actions isn't there.

If the Project doesn't like me calling you a Cheater or if you have the Projects go ahead to do what your doing then let them come in here and say so. If thats the case then I'll Apologize to you the Project and everybody in it for making the accusations I've made.

If not then they can do what they want with me and my Account because they don't need me or anybody else anyway as long as they have you to pump out the Wu's 20 Times Faster than the rest of us.

PS: I sent that PM to you just to see if you had anything to say about it, nothing more or less, I didn't ask for nor expect anything from you, I just made a statement is all.
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Message 4757 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 12:40:35 UTC

How sad that someone is accused of cheating, but without saying how. In the accused's response to the accusation, it appears that optimizing an application is what's being called cheating. If that is his only 'crime', then I'm going to accuse everyone with a better host than me of cheating, too!

Of course, this assumes that his results are actually valid and not some shortcut results that still validate, but the project admins should be able to check that, if they think there's a need to. Even setting a minimum quorum of 2 for a while will quickly reveal the truth, and hopefully prevent further accusations, or cheating - whichever applies :)

In fact all applications that are handed out by the project now are compiled by me (that includes the 10x speedup compared to the previous ones).

Considering that, I would be surprised if cheating is taking place.

I'm not taking sides here, I'm trying to look from the outside.

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Message 4758 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 12:51:02 UTC - in response to Message 4757.  
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How sad that someone is accused of cheating, but without saying how. In the accused's response to the accusation, it appears that optimizing an application is what's being called cheating. If that is his only 'crime', then I'm going to accuse everyone with a better host than me of cheating, too!


For lack of a better word what else are you going to call it, I said call it what you like didn't I ... ???
You can call what he is doing whatever you like, Bending the Rules, Ahead of the Curve & even admire him for his Intelligence


I'm not taking sides here, I'm trying to look from the outside.


Ohhh but you are, it's okay though I have my Flack Jacket on and I'm hunkered down in my Bunker for the expected barrage of defending the accused posts ... ;')
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Message 4759 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 13:00:07 UTC
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well with all the Kredit Kops running around the projects just to make participating in that given project a bad experience (their latest victim is einstein@home) and all the talk about leveling playing-fields & cross-project parity, I've decided that i do need to compensate for the damage done by the credit gestapo...
Unfortunately for all other participants my new "policy-of-compensation" does not allow a public release for the given reasons.

Same goes for all other projects like genetic life where i already have an application that's 2.5 times as fast as the stock application.


Hmmmmm, maybe this post made by you Here Crunch gives some incite into why & what your true intentions are ... ???

You do not have a clue to why this is being done nor do you know my attentions
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Message 4760 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 13:22:14 UTC

If someone does ten times the work, then give them ten times the credit. This, and other BOINC projects, are here for the science.
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Message 4761 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 13:25:34 UTC
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I try really hard to "sit on my hands" and stay out of these discussions but…

...for no other reason than to grossly enrich his & his Teams own position's on the Projects Stats Leader Boards & also inflate his & their Credit Ego's...
Yes more than a couple of our members place a high value on the credit they are granted for work they do on the various BOINC projects so I guess you could say they have "Credit Ego’s". Credit and their position in the statistics is pretty much the only reward they get for spending thousands of dollars every year for new hardware and the electricity to keep all their machines running, machines which serve no other purpose than running BOINC. It would appear YOU also have a rather large "Credit Ego" or you wouldn’t be complaining about the time it takes Crunch3r’s machine to complete a work unit.

You are pretty free with the term "cheating". If Crunch3r is returning valid results and receiving the same credit for work units as others how is he "cheating"? Yes, he has a talent at optimizing and compiling code which I and apparently you do not have. So what? There is nothing stopping you or I from learning to write and compile code and creating our own optimized applications.

The code for the Milkyway application is open source, Crunch3r has made improvements to the original code and the project managers implemented his application on the production site as the default app. Thanks to his work we are all now processing work faster for the project.

He is now running an application that includes additional optimizations that appear to have greatly decreased the time it takes to process the work. He says these new optimizations “were presented to the Dev team several months ago”, I’ll take him at his word.

As far as "his Team", to the best of my knowledge Crunch3r has not shared this code with anyone besides the Milkyway Development Team, the application has not been made available even to his teammates.
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Message 4762 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 13:29:00 UTC - in response to Message 4758.  
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For lack of a better word what else are you going to call it, I said call it what you like didn't I ... ???
You can call what he is doing whatever you like, Bending the Rules, Ahead of the Curve & even admire him for his Intelligence

But you finished that sentence like this:
but in the end it is nothing more than Outright Blatant Cheating

So, yes, you did call it cheating.
What my first paragraph was about, was that you accused him of cheating, but you didn't say that it was because he was using an optimized application. Instead of responding to that, you tried to start a new argument about what you claim to have said, and as I've shown you did say exactly what I said you said. (Sorry for that awkward sentence!)

I'm not taking sides here, I'm trying to look from the outside.


Ohhh but you are,

Well, I did also say this (full paragraph quoted):
Of course, this assumes that his results are actually valid and not some shortcut results that still validate, but the project admins should be able to check that, if they think there's a need to. Even setting a minimum quorum of 2 for a while will quickly reveal the truth, and hopefully prevent further accusations, or cheating - whichever applies :)

If I were taking sides, I wouldn't suggest that he may be cheating by creating false but validating results, nor would I propose a method of determining the truth. As I said: 'whichever applies'

Granted I did say 'I would be surprised if cheating is taking place', so I guess it seems I show a bias towards him. This comment was because of what he said here:
In fact all applications that are handed out by the project now are compiled by me (that includes the 10x speedup compared to the previous ones).


I am still very open to finding out the truth, and would expect the one who is wrong to apologize to the other.

You have your Flack jacket on, here in South Africa it's winter, so I'm going to pull up a chair to warm up in the flames... ;)

I doubt I'll participate much more in this, unless I see responses to issues/comments and not attempts to divert the arguments.

And to contradict Crunch3r's tagline, Have a nice day. :)
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Message 4763 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 16:19:49 UTC
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You are pretty free with the term "cheating".

So Sue me, it gets peoples attention at least now doesn't it & Pepole have been Banned from Projects for doing far less things than what he's pulling here. Notice I said pulling & not Cheating ... ;)

Yes, he has a talent at optimizing and compiling code which I and apparently you do not have.


That's why I said "even admire him for his Intelligence" because no doubt he is talented ...

There is nothing stopping you or I from learning to write and compile code and creating our own optimized applications.


Yes, when I have the next Decade Free I have a go at it ...

He is now running an application that includes additional optimizations that appear to have greatly decreased the time it takes to process the work. He says these new optimizations “were presented to the Dev team several months ago”, I’ll take him at his word.


I'm not doubting his word, it's his actions that I'm suspicious of.

As far as "his Team", to the best of my knowledge Crunch3r has not shared this code with anyone besides the Milkyway Development Team, the application has not been made available even to his teammates.


Never said he gave it to anybody else, but the Team he is on does benefit by his actions don't they, and of course nobody on the Team would dream of saying to him "Gee Crunch, do you think you might be going over the Top a little with this" ... Of course nobody had a clue what he was up to, his Credits just went from 40,000 - 50,000 Per day to upwards of 250,000 Per day and everybody on the Team was glad for Crunch because he musta got a New Computer ...
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Message 4764 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 16:35:18 UTC - in response to Message 4763.  

Crunch3r says he submitted his optimisations to the dev team, so until we get a response from them this discussion is pointless. You've evidently drawn your conclusions already, so please stop repeating yourself and leave others to judge for themselves.
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Message 4765 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 16:58:33 UTC - in response to Message 4764.  
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Crunch3r says he submitted his optimisations to the dev team, so until we get a response from them this discussion is pointless. You've evidently drawn your conclusions already, so please stop repeating yourself and leave others to judge for themselves.


Agreed...

However, Crunch3r knows that he is 'working' the flaws in the credit system, just like anyone else does who has taken the time to look at it closely.

Does this constitute 'cheating'? Of course not, since there is nothing in the rules or policies which says you can't do what he is doing. As he pointed out, you are completely free to do the exact same thing he is doing.

The real question is; Is that 'fair' in the general BOINC context?

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Message 4766 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 17:07:29 UTC - in response to Message 4762.  

An easy solution I have adopted is to compare my rankings in the project against the the #2 position, not so difficult.

My guess is that Crunch3r's display is more to do with pointing out the futility of cross project comparisons and the fanatical drive of some to "level the playing field" across projects while indirectly encouraging the use of unofficial optimized apps in their own project which are twice as productive as the stock "level playing field" app.

As for cheating, given the above, that would be kinda dumb.

But then again I could be wrong and only justifying actions based on my own beliefs that the cross project comparison is a waste of time and resources, and creates more ill will than good.

Projects should stand on their own merits, not the amount of credit they grant in comparison to others.

Now where can I download the source code, so I can compile my own app and manage to turn this reasonably fast box into the equivalent of four bumbling i386SX? ;-)


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Message 4767 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 17:23:02 UTC - in response to Message 4766.  

Sorry it's taking some time but i'm working out a fix for this. Basically i have to fiddle around with the validator to make sure these things aren't happening. Sorry we can't give you an immediate fix but needless to say i'm aware of it and working on a solution.
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Message 4768 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 18:29:09 UTC - in response to Message 4765.  
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The real question is; Is that 'fair' in the general BOINC context?

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That was the whole point of my post to begin with, but unless you say something like "Hey he's Cheating" to get peoples attention most will just yawn it away. I know Crunch is just working in the boundary's of the given rules & not Cheating in the true sense of the word.

But if his intentions were to bring this Flaw in the system to somebody's attention just when was he going to do it since he put up probably over 4 Million Credits already using the Flaw because nobody at the Project knew anything about it until it was brought up before them ... ???
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Message 4769 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 18:33:34 UTC - in response to Message 4767.  

Sorry it's taking some time but i'm working out a fix for this. Basically i have to fiddle around with the validator to make sure these things aren't happening. Sorry we can't give you an immediate fix but needless to say i'm aware of it and working on a solution.


Thank you Travis for your response, that's all I can ask for is that your trying to rectifiy the matter ...
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Message 4770 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 18:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 4768.  

The real question is; Is that 'fair' in the general BOINC context?

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That was the whole point of my post to begin with, but unless you say something like "Hey he's Cheating" to get peoples attention most will just yawn it away. I know Crunch is just working in the boundary's of the given rules & not Cheating in the true sense of the word. But if his intentions were to bring this Flaw in the system to somebodys attention just when was he going to do it since he put up probbly over 4 Million Credits using the Flaw already ... ???


LOL...

No Problemo... I know what you mean! :-)

Just wanted to remind you about being careful selecting wording which tends to push the Big Red Button. ;-)

FWIW, given we are several years + into the BOINC experiment, as you point out, fixing the 'problem' is almost certainly going to gore somebodies cow no matter what.

That doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed, just that it has to be really well thought out and justifiable on solid scientific grounds.

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Message 4771 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 18:59:51 UTC

Travis, if this app. helps the science and is agreed upon by YOUR staff then you need to thank Crunch3r and tell everyone else to catch up! You now have an example of what his app. can do for the project so make up your own mind! don't let the mass's do it for you!! We are just volunteers, we can go to any project we want so run YOUR project the way that is best for the project! Sorry PoorBoy, but BOINC is for the IMPROVEMENT of science and while I like big #s too it's still about the science.

Chunch3r, you may wanna hold off on running that app. till it gets aproved by the admin to stop any more of these flame fests! hehe!
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Message 4772 - Posted: 17 Aug 2008, 19:20:56 UTC - in response to Message 4771.  

Sorry PoorBoy, but BOINC is for the IMPROVEMENT of science and while I like big #s too it's still about the science.


Blah, Blah, Blah for the Science, I know all about it already so please spare me the details because I have nothing against the Improvement of the Science ... Whether you do it for the Credits or the Science all in all in the end the Science is the one that benefits.

I haven't heard of 1 Wu yet getting tossed by a Project because somebody at a Project made the determination that the Person that did it was only doing it for the Credits so it didn't fit the criteria of a good Wu ... :)
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That's why I said "even admire him for his Intelligence" because no doubt he is talented ...

There is nothing stopping you or I from learning to write and compile code and creating our own optimized applications.


Yes, when I have the next Decade Free I have a go at it ...



BLA BLA BLA BLA..


As has been posted many times. The source is open and available to everyone. Crunch3r is talented and has spent the time required to learn how to do optimize. There is no rule or regulation that states he can not do what he is doing. He has not shared this optimized app, and has refused to do so, even among his team mates. If he so choose to do so, he could, and now we are talking about an advantage.

If you want to learn how to do it then quit crying about it and do it. If it takes you the next decade to do it, then so be it.

I just wish I had the smarts, energy and time to do what Crunch3r does. But I don't, so I have to be content to run the public optimized apps along with the rest of everyone one else. Maybe in the next "decade" I will be able to find the time do learn this. But until then, i will have to be content to run the same app as you.

There is no cheating here, just someone using their talents to achieve a higher degree of excellence. You calling Crunch3r cheating would be like calling Micheal Phelps a cheater.

In fact, I am going to try again to see if Crunch3r will allow me to use his app - this thread just might convince him to allow some of his teammates use it.


and you did call him a cheat... no use in denying that.
but in the end it is nothing more than Outright Blatant Cheating



The real question is; Is that 'fair' in the general BOINC context?

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Fair or not fair, it has been discussed many many times. Even on the SETI boards. that optimized apps can be used. And that if you can develop an optimized app you have the right to use it. Open source is just that, Open. What Crunch3r is doing is completely legal and in no way constitutes cheating. It does give him an advantage, but an advantage that he has EARNED!
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