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Message 5182 - Posted: 5 Sep 2008, 14:50:27 UTC


What is the status of the new application - when can we expect it to be released ?
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Message 5183 - Posted: 5 Sep 2008, 17:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 5182.  


What is the status of the new application - when can we expect it to be released ?


It's basically finished to my knowledge. We're just doing some final testing. We will be releasing the source for viewing on this application to everyone.
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Message 5184 - Posted: 5 Sep 2008, 19:18:11 UTC

Crunch3r, when you optimise it, will you make it available for the project devs to validate it scientifically and if it is all OK then release it for everyone to use? (please)

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Message 5236 - Posted: 17 Sep 2008, 15:14:15 UTC

??
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Message 5237 - Posted: 17 Sep 2008, 16:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 5236.  

??


Good question. I'll talk to Travis and see what's going on.
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Message 5238 - Posted: 17 Sep 2008, 18:07:20 UTC

Heh, I'm glad someone has about the same patience as me. I was going to make a post Monday afternoon with pretty much the same "??", but got busy and forgot until now.
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Message 5245 - Posted: 21 Sep 2008, 18:31:41 UTC
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From Travis on 19 Aug 2008
That being said, in the next week or so we should have a new application out (it would have been sooner but I had to deal with this mess),


http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=386&nowrap=true#4830

Did that "mess" really slow it down this much?
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Message 5249 - Posted: 23 Sep 2008, 16:45:11 UTC

So... ??
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Message 5252 - Posted: 23 Sep 2008, 23:11:56 UTC - in response to Message 5249.  

Airport timing -- you know, the plane is going to board in 20 minutes, you come back in 20 minutes and ask, and you get told it hasn't changed, the plane will board in 20 minutes.

Who knows, this might be the application to nowhere. To which we will be compelled to reply, thanks but no thanks. (and then download it like mad to be consistent).



So... ??


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Message 5258 - Posted: 28 Sep 2008, 17:53:34 UTC

For not getting any reply for this long, why couldn't cruncher's application have been tested and used? So much more info could have been processed.

Seems like MW won't be around for very long.
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Message 5259 - Posted: 29 Sep 2008, 0:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 5258.  

For not getting any reply for this long, why couldn't cruncher's application have been tested and used? So much more info could have been processed.

Seems like MW won't be around for very long.


This project is in an alpha state. At this point we don't really care how fast information gets processed. We are concerned with the accuracy of the results. Last wednesday there were still some bugs in the application. I haven't received any updates since then.
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Message 5261 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008, 1:37:08 UTC - in response to Message 5259.  

This project is in an alpha state. At this point we don't really care how fast information gets processed. We are concerned with the accuracy of the results. Last wednesday there were still some bugs in the application. I haven't received any updates since then.


Yes I know. But instead of taking ~6-10 hours for one result it would only be ~6-10 min.
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Message 5262 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008, 3:31:10 UTC - in response to Message 5261.  

This project is in an alpha state. At this point we don't really care how fast information gets processed. We are concerned with the accuracy of the results. Last wednesday there were still some bugs in the application. I haven't received any updates since then.


Yes I know. But instead of taking ~6-10 hours for one result it would only be ~6-10 min.


What Dave is saying is that the more important thing is making sure that the results are accurate as possible. This would typically mean running a few tasks where the outcome is known and validating that the application generated the expected results. Optimization should always come after getting the calculations accurate...

That said though, if it was known "last Wednesday" that there were bugs, all it would've taken would've been a post here like:

"We are testing the new application. We have run into a few bugs that we want to correct before releasing it to the public."

That took less than a minute to type up, as I type at around 50 wpm... I know people are busy and what not, but when you state that you are going to get an update, get the update and post it in a timely fashion. Going on 2 weeks does not seem to be a "timely fashion", but I don't know what all has been happening behind the scenes.
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Message 5263 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008, 14:56:28 UTC - in response to Message 5262.  

The results were made longer because most people wanted longer units to do. Not to increase the accuracy. Now it may have changed as a result of that though.

Why not decrease the length of the current units so that the tests would go quicker?

That is more/less what I ment to say.
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Message 5268 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008, 16:06:21 UTC
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What!!??

The only comment I read from project principals stated that the increased runtime for the new work was to:

1.) Take traffic load off the backend servers so they don't grind to halt from an operational POV on a regular basis (good for participants).

2.) Allows for greater precision in the science result output (good for the project from a basic science POV).

Personally, I can't ever remember seeing the participants asking for longer, 'tougher' work on any project (at least the ones I run and/or follow).

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Message 5269 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008, 16:19:07 UTC - in response to Message 5268.  

What!!??

The only comment I read from project principals stated that the increased runtime for the new work was to:

1.) Take traffic load off the backend servers so they don't grind to halt from an operational POV on a regular basis (good for participants).

2.) Allows for greater precision in the science result output (good for the project from a basic science POV).

Personally, I can't ever remember seeing the participants asking for longer, 'tougher' work on any project (at least the ones I run and/or follow).

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Message 5270 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008, 17:53:07 UTC - in response to Message 5268.  
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What!!??

The only comment I read from project principals stated that the increased runtime for the new work was to:

1.) Take traffic load off the backend servers so they don't grind to halt from an operational POV on a regular basis (good for participants).

2.) Allows for greater precision in the science result output (good for the project from a basic science POV).

The precision of the results is somehow limited by a bug of the application in the moment. I opened a thread in the code discussion part of the forum about this.

Concerning the WU length, I think they are quite short already when calculated with a proper application as Crunch3rs results show. No need to change something.
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Message 5296 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008, 17:45:04 UTC
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Well the tasks I'm getting now are exceeding the cpu time limit, so perhaps that could be changed! Aborting all the rest and setting to nnw for now.
(Intel mac host, 6.x client)
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Message 5299 - Posted: 5 Oct 2008, 15:06:13 UTC - in response to Message 5182.  


What is the status of the new application - when can we expect it to be released ?


I would appreciate a view on that question, which I assume is when an optimised client might be released?
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Message 5300 - Posted: 5 Oct 2008, 15:07:20 UTC - in response to Message 5182.  


What is the status of the new application - when can we expect it to be released ?


I would appreciate a response, as I assume this is about an optimised Milkyway client?
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