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Message 6837 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 0:16:50 UTC - in response to Message 6835.  

Well said Gavin and Brian

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Message 6838 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 0:24:57 UTC - in response to Message 6830.  

Agreed 100% As far as I know (which isn't much) this is run by 2 grad students doing research for their papers. It's done within the university and I haven't heard any suggestions that the NSF was funding anything. Depending on the results that the project comes up with it might (HOPEFULLY) turn into a significant research project that the NSF at a future time might want to explore.

So to bring this further, if this isn't a scientific project, then I guess I need to change my perspective from helping in a scientific manner to just being a credit whore. <--- and not a very good one at that. <Sigh>


Interesting. I've had a look around the MW web pages and (please correct me if I am wrong) I note that this project doesn't appear to be about science. It doesn't seem to be about to "Help discover the structures in the Milky Way galaxy" as stated on the MW web page banner.

However, it does clearly state that "Milkyway@home ... This particular project is being developed to better understand the power of volunteer computer resources."

That's good enough for me to continue my support in the hope that the science will follow.


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Message 6839 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 1:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 6838.  
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And someone please explain to me what does the resumes of the project scientists or admins, or what part of the globe the project is run, or how it receives it funds in ANY WAY related to this thread!

Maybe I am just a bit slow, but I see no relevance of this and the status of the new application.
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Message 6840 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 1:32:26 UTC - in response to Message 6839.  

And someone please explain to me what does the resumes of the project scientists or admins, or what part of the globe the project is run, or how it receives it funds in ANY WAY related to this thread!

Maybe I am just a bit slow, but I see no relevance of this and the status of the new application.


No relation. But threads always seem to wander off topic.

But if you really want some kind of relation between the two, new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed? It's a stretch but there you go. Lol. :)

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Message 6842 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 2:06:11 UTC - in response to Message 6840.  

new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*
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Message 6843 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 2:52:22 UTC - in response to Message 6797.  
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Travis wrote:
Actually to correct some misinformation here. The RPI computer science department as a whole does not run this project. There is myself, Nate, dave, and our 4 advisors (1 professor in the physics dept, and 3 in the cs dept). Our advisors have quite a few other projects they're working on (and I myself have another one or two). Either way, the bulk of the work on this project is done by myself, dave and nate. 3 people, not 440. We also have classes and our degree requirements to attend to. This is the nature of graduate level research.

Right now we're operating off an NSF grant which pays for our hardware, Nate, myself and a couple undergrad researchers.


The scientific credibility of Milkway@Home would be well served by explicitly posting the names of the Principal Investigators (the professors), their affiliations, and an acknowledgment to the NSF (including grant number) on the project home page.

That information would facilitate the evaluation of the project on the part of volunteer participants that care about the science being pursued. Acknowledgment of funding sources is just the norm in the profession.

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These have been posted various times in the papers we've published, which have been posted on our webpage.

I think you can find all of them here:

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/bib/Keyword/SCIENTIFIC-COMPUTING.html

mainly:

Travis Desell, Boleslaw Szymanski, and Carlos A. Varela. An Asynchronous Hybrid Genetic-Simplex Search for Modeling the Milky Way Galaxy using Volunteer Computing. In Genetic and Evolutionary Computation Conference (GECCO 2008), Atlanta, Georgia, pages 921-928, July 2008. Keyword(s): astroinformatics, grid computing, scientific computing.

Travis Desell, Boleslaw Szymanski, and Carlos A. Varela. Asynchronous Genetic Search for Scientific Modeling on Large-Scale Heterogeneous Environments. In Proceedings of the 17th International Heterogeneity in Computing Workshop (HCW/IPDPS'08), Miami, FL, pages 12pp, April 2008. IEEE. Keyword(s): scientific computing, middleware, grid computing.

Travis Desell, Nathan Cole, Malik Magdon-Ismail, Heidi Newberg, Boleslaw Szymanski, and Carlos A. Varela. Distributed and Generic Maximum Likelihood Evaluation. In 3rd IEEE International Conference on e-Science and Grid Computing (eScience2007), Bangalore, India, pages 337-344, December 2007. Note: Best paper (finalist) award. Keyword(s): scientific computing, grid computing, supercomputing, internet computing, scientific computing, middleware, grid computing.

Boleslaw Szymanski, Travis Desell, and Carlos A. Varela. The Effect of Heterogeneity on Asynchronous Panmictic Genetic Search. In Proc. of the Seventh International Conference on Parallel Processing and Applied Mathematics (PPAM'2007), LNCS, Gdansk, Poland, September 2007. Keyword(s): scientific computing.

Nathan Cole, Heidi Newberg, Malik Magdon-Ismail, Travis Desell, Kristopher Dawsey, Warren Hayashi, Jonathan Purnell, Boleslaw Szymanski, Carlos A. Varela, Benjamin Willett, and James Wisniewski. Maximum Likelihood Fitting of Tidal Streams with Application to the Sagittarius Dwarf Tidal Tails. Astrophysical Journal, 683:750-766, 2008. Keyword(s): astroinformatics, grid computing, scientific computing.


*edit* However you're probably right that we should have all that information on the home page. I'll email our group to see what my advisors think about that.
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Message 6844 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 2:54:49 UTC - in response to Message 6838.  

Agreed 100% As far as I know (which isn't much) this is run by 2 grad students doing research for their papers. It's done within the university and I haven't heard any suggestions that the NSF was funding anything. Depending on the results that the project comes up with it might (HOPEFULLY) turn into a significant research project that the NSF at a future time might want to explore.

So to bring this further, if this isn't a scientific project, then I guess I need to change my perspective from helping in a scientific manner to just being a credit whore. <--- and not a very good one at that.


Interesting. I've had a look around the MW web pages and (please correct me if I am wrong) I note that this project doesn't appear to be about science. It doesn't seem to be about to "Help discover the structures in the Milky Way galaxy" as stated on the MW web page banner.

However, it does clearly state that "Milkyway@home ... This particular project is being developed to better understand the power of volunteer computer resources."

That's good enough for me to continue my support in the hope that the science will follow.



Actually this project has been used for science (it seems you're not counting computer science as science). I was pretty sure we posted our most recent publication to the astrophysical journal (if not, see the above post).
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Message 6845 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 2:57:36 UTC - in response to Message 6842.  

new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf
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Message 6852 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 3:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 6845.  
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new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf


Please be aware that my comment (which is not complete in this quote) was as a joke regarding how acknowledgments was related to the status of the new app since the author of the thread was commenting on how the thread had changed topic.

I'm pretty sure Milksop was also being humorous...
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Message 6856 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 7:24:05 UTC - in response to Message 6845.  

new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf

My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.
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Message 6857 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 7:27:19 UTC - in response to Message 6844.  

Agreed 100% As far as I know (which isn't much) this is run by 2 grad students doing research for their papers. It's done within the university and I haven't heard any suggestions that the NSF was funding anything. Depending on the results that the project comes up with it might (HOPEFULLY) turn into a significant research project that the NSF at a future time might want to explore.

So to bring this further, if this isn't a scientific project, then I guess I need to change my perspective from helping in a scientific manner to just being a credit whore. <--- and not a very good one at that. <Sigh>


Interesting. I've had a look around the MW web pages and (please correct me if I am wrong) I note that this project doesn't appear to be about science. It doesn't seem to be about to "Help discover the structures in the Milky Way galaxy" as stated on the MW web page banner.

However, it does clearly state that "Milkyway@home ... This particular project is being developed to better understand the power of volunteer computer resources."

That's good enough for me to continue my support in the hope that the science will follow.



Actually this project has been used for science (it seems you're not counting computer science as science). I was pretty sure we posted our most recent publication to the astrophysical journal (if not, see the above post).

Yes, you're quite right, computer science is a science and, as I say, is a good enough basis for my supporting MW.

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Message 6858 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 7:30:03 UTC - in response to Message 6856.  

new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf

My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.

It's your profile pics that confuse me about what is science ;)


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Message 6859 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 7:42:52 UTC - in response to Message 6856.  
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My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.


That depends on if they are real or CGI ;)
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Message 6862 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 10:47:03 UTC

@ Travis

Thank you very much for all these informations you have posted!

@ Misfit
''My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.''

ohhh yeahhh, now i know why im loving science, science can be that sexy!!

Have a nice day all of you !

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Message 6896 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 19:50:30 UTC - in response to Message 6797.  


The scientific credibility of Milkway@Home would be well served by explicitly posting the names of the Principal Investigators (the professors), their affiliations, and an acknowledgment to the NSF (including grant number) on the project home page.

...

Best regards,
EigenState

You demanded that they "explicitly post" their names. The term "eigenstate" is a quantum mechanical term, and thus likely a pseudonym chosen to hide your real name. It thus appears that you did not "explicitly post" even a part of your own name, while disapprovingly demanding otherwise of them.
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Message 6898 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 20:39:46 UTC - in response to Message 6858.  

new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf

My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.

It's your profile pics that confuse me about what is science ;)

I've turned it into a science. :D

That depends on if they are real or CGI ;)

Well they are real pics of a real person who works in an industry using CGI.
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Message 6899 - Posted: 27 Nov 2008, 20:49:32 UTC - in response to Message 6898.  
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new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf

My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.

It's your profile pics that confuse me about what is science ;)

I've turned it into a science. :D

That depends on if they are real or CGI ;)

Well they are real pics of a real person who works in an industry using CGI.


...And using CGI Battlestars. ;)
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Message 6903 - Posted: 28 Nov 2008, 0:01:29 UTC - in response to Message 6839.  

And someone please explain to me what does the resumes of the project scientists or admins, or what part of the globe the project is run, or how it receives it funds in ANY WAY related to this thread!

Agreed. I used to admin an (arguably) useful project before having written a resume or finished high school, so what?

Please use "Reply" or "Quote" buttons on posts, instead of "reply to this thread". Keep the posts linked together ("X is a reply to Y").
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Message 6905 - Posted: 28 Nov 2008, 0:59:02 UTC - in response to Message 6899.  

new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*


Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P

http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf

My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.

It's your profile pics that confuse me about what is science ;)

I've turned it into a science. :D

That depends on if they are real or CGI ;)

Well they are real pics of a real person who works in an industry using CGI.


...And using CGI Battlestars. ;)


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Message 6909 - Posted: 28 Nov 2008, 4:38:04 UTC - in response to Message 6905.  
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new app costs money, which means funds from somewhere and so how and if are acknowledgments needed?

I want an acknowledgement, too! *LOL*

Maybe you should read the acknowledgements section in our HCW paper :P
http://wcl.cs.rpi.edu/papers/desell-ags-hcw-2008.pdf

My profile pics deserve an honorable mention.

It's your profile pics that confuse me about what is science ;)

I've turned it into a science. :D

That depends on if they are real or CGI ;)

Well they are real pics of a real person who works in an industry using CGI.

...And using CGI Battlestars. ;)

<------- Like this one?

Not on all of them.
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