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Message 7505 - Posted: 6 Dec 2008, 14:21:25 UTC - in response to Message 7504.  


When you're using BOINC to run your application on clients you should observe the BOINC rules about credits.


Guess I've missed those rules.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 7506 - Posted: 6 Dec 2008, 14:28:25 UTC

Boinc credit rules,WTF. If the credit goes down more, i will stop crunching MW.
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Message 7507 - Posted: 6 Dec 2008, 14:47:32 UTC

Bruno's SETI scores would be better if he was using the SSSE3 optimized app than the SSE2 version on that Q9300.

Not really a fair comparison IMO.



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Message 7508 - Posted: 6 Dec 2008, 14:54:12 UTC
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Hi Bruno,

My cpu its a bit older than yours but im crunching 2x times faster than you the seti wus and that makes me believe you are using the stock application or an old seti client , or whatever,or perhaps its something else.

My crunching times for the SETI and MW wus are almost the same, but while SETI grants me 44 or 45 or 47 or even in some cases 55 credits for the big one wus the MW grants me always between 39-42 credits.

The point is, the very good optimized MW stock APPLICATION (optimized client from MW crunchers) now grants lower credit per wu than the SETI optimized client and something near to the SETI stock application.


By the way, at this point id like to thanks the users Milksop at try and Crunch3r for the work they've done to optimize the MW client and their help to this project.
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Message 7509 - Posted: 6 Dec 2008, 16:02:39 UTC - in response to Message 7507.  
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Bruno's SETI scores would be better if he was using the SSSE3 optimized app than the SSE2 version on that Q9300.

Not really a fair comparison IMO.




I agree with Labbie, the SSSE3x client (here) is the most appropriate client but you could also use the SSE4.x client (here) OK.

From other analysis on the use most productive client between SSSE3 and SSE4 on a Penryn (45nM) class CPU. There appeared to be very little difference.
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Message 7514 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 6:40:21 UTC

By the looks of things many have left this project..


Why can't I find that Boinc rules....Maybe its not there..
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Message 7515 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 8:20:14 UTC - in response to Message 7507.  

For that matter, if, instead of an Intel processor, he was running AMD processors, the comparison with SETI optimized is a lot closer. See my earlier stats on that in this thread. The thing is, if SETI followed 'rules' it might not allow it's own optimized application to be public (which it is). It is sort of foolish to act as if there are 'rules' or 'laws' regarding credits as then there would be all sorts of headaches. Heck, we could get really off the wall with rules and establish some factor for the actual research being done with the results from each project (Malaria research is more 'valuable' than SETI research, therefore it should offer more credits per CPU cycle).

My way of thinking is that it isn't unreasonable for newer projects to offer somewhat enhanced credit awards -- in part to attract users to the newer projects.

While I can accept some sense of 'in the ballpark' handling of credits across projects, as it is, I see the ratio of say SETI optimized to some of the other projects is significantly greater than the ratio of the current Milkyway application to the SETI optimized client on my workstations.

It's all a lot of noise to try to make them really at a par with one another.

On the other hand, I do understand the earlier whining from DA and others in particular with the exceedingly high credits that the optimized Milkyway client was getting back in August - October.


Bruno's SETI scores would be better if he was using the SSSE3 optimized app than the SSE2 version on that Q9300.

Not really a fair comparison IMO.



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Message 7517 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 13:17:06 UTC

FWIW, I think the credits here are just fine. Travis cut the max cedits in 1/2... Seems to me that brought the credits within a reasonable amount.
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Message 7518 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 14:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 7504.  

THERE ARE NO "BOINC" RULES REGARDING CREDIT!
The credits here seem quite reasonable to me. If you dont like the way credits are awarded here, go elsewhere. Thats pretty simple isnt it.

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Message 7519 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 16:27:01 UTC - in response to Message 7514.  

By the looks of things many have left this project..


I don't know if thats true,I hope not, but let us wait till the dust settles.
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Message 7520 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 16:50:47 UTC - in response to Message 7519.  

By the looks of things many have left this project..


I don't know if thats true,I hope not, but let us wait till the dust settles.

Where did they go?


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Message 7522 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 17:00:59 UTC - in response to Message 7520.  
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Where did they go?


One thing its mostly sure, near all the moonbats they screamed 'round against MW now they participating for other projects..ok its their right to do what they want with their computers, but they didn't came to MW back. Somehow it's clear now that they wasn't friends of MW never.
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Message 7523 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 17:16:35 UTC

This project is still in the Alpha phase anyway. Once it reaches Beta I'm sure some news trackers will pick up on it and we'll see more users, but right now I don't think we really need anymore, at least until we get significantly longer WUs or a second server :P
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Message 7524 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 17:22:03 UTC

I agree Emanuel

The current user base seems balanced, with work available and relatively steady number of WUs in progress.

This suggests the current WU length for the current user base is about right.
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Message 7525 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 17:25:06 UTC

Well, of course the project stats at BOINCstats look horrible, but I think this is more due to the reason, that there are no WUs for Milksops app anymore which could give overwhelming credit.
But if you look at the user stats you see a slight increase of active users in the last two days.
It's not representative in this short time of course, but I don't think much users have given up on this project. When, then only the "credit whores" who enjoyed their time. ;)
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Message 7526 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 17:59:20 UTC - in response to Message 7525.  

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But if you look at the user stats you see a slight increase of active users in the last two days.
It's not representative in this short time of course, but I don't think much users have given up on this project. When, then only the "credit whores" who enjoyed their time. ;)


Most of 'em came here , i think, thanks to the noise ''credit wh****'' they made out there, from the other side all discussions everywhere over MW gived some popularity to this project.

The question is can this trend hold up in the long run, or MW it gonna turn to be another one small boinc project? I think only the MW Suite can take the big decision.It's up to 'em.
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Message 7527 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 18:22:26 UTC - in response to Message 7520.  
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By the looks of things many have left this project..


I don't know if thats true,I hope not, but let us wait till the dust settles.

Where did they go?



I'm setting up CREDITS@HOME here.
Everyone can get 1,000,000 credits per workunit, but theres a special bug in the server that wont let anyone download any.
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Message 7528 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 18:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 7527.  

By the looks of things many have left this project..


I don't know if thats true,I hope not, but let us wait till the dust settles.

Where did they go?



I'm setting up CREDITS@HOME here.
Everyone can get 1,000,000 credits per workunit, but theres a special bug in the server that wont let anyone download any.


Ooh, I want some of those. Where do I sign up?


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Message 7529 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 18:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 7528.  

By the looks of things many have left this project..


I don't know if thats true,I hope not, but let us wait till the dust settles.

Where did they go?



I'm setting up CREDITS@HOME here.
Everyone can get 1,000,000 credits per workunit, but theres a special bug in the server that wont let anyone download any.


Ooh, I want some of those. Where do I sign up?

I've signed up, but it keeps saying this;

07/12/2008 18:53:12|Credits@home|Scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

What am I doing wrong? Do I need to detatch/re-attach? What app do I need?

Help!



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Message 7530 - Posted: 7 Dec 2008, 19:47:11 UTC - in response to Message 7527.  

By the looks of things many have left this project..


I don't know if thats true,I hope not, but let us wait till the dust settles.

Where did they go?



I'm setting up CREDITS@HOME here.
Everyone can get 1,000,000 credits per workunit, but theres a special bug in the server that wont let anyone download any.


Oh yeah ..gimme the money $$$


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