An umpires hat on ;-))

No offense but Ice, why do you always have to be so argumentative? You happen to be wrong in reference to the original statement. But you are correct when you use your micro-economics theory about personal use.
However, if you use your theory about personal use, it does not hold water, because just what benefit do "you" personally receive from this or other projects? Can you measure it in real value to you personally? Nothing, and this is why it is expensive to you personally, but to the project it is cheap because they do benefit from it/us.

BOINC allows projects like MW, SETI or others to do science on the cheap.

This was and is and always has been the entire reason for distributed computing. Period.

To allow universities, schools, researchers, or other organizations, non-profit, and some for-profit, to run their projects cheaply. To be able to share the burden of the project costs with people like us.

It may not be cheap to us as a single entity, but to the project it is much cheaper than trying to purchase all that computer power by themselves. In many instances prohibitively expensive.

Ice, of course this is not necessarily cheap or inexpensive for the participants but it is for the project, and BOINC or DC was not developed for us, the participants but for the good of the project or the science. But DC was developed so these projects can now do science that they would have normally not been able to achieve given budget restraints.

Hell, several projects even ask for money donations as well? We contribute our resources, equipment, power etc, and they ask for cash donations to keep the project up and running so they can pay us in worthless credit? Go figure.

THUS the credit system was implement.. How to pay the participants for their efforts.

There are projects out there that do pay cash instead of worthless credits, and they are doing science a bit more expensively because of this formula, but it is still cheaper for them to do it this way than to purchase all the necessary equipment to test their theory's and do the work in house.

BOINC = Science done on the cheap for the projects good. Like it or not, understand it or not. It is what it is.

And a snippet to stay on topic.

The GPU allows us and them(the projects) to do more science for much cheaper. Period. A single much less expensive GPU can do the work of more expensive CPU's in a shorter time.
Currently we have 2 manufactures that I know of that develop GPU processing equipment. But the time is coming that there will be more.

IMO Dr Anderson needs to add a simple API to BOINC to allow for this up and coming movement towards GPU processing.

Are you mob still arguing about cost???? how many hrs now today?? Give it a rest will ya..I dont come to the forums to read about your petty arguments. If the project was to get its own hardware to do the calcs we all are doing god only knows what it would cost so yes milkyway is doing it on the cheap..Lets leave it at that pleeease.

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No offense but Ice, why do you always have to be so argumentative?.

Now I am always argumentative? Really? Always? The only times I have ever posted have been argumentative? And you are not using arguments? You have never been argumentative? You can use arguments but I can't? You didn't use any arguments in your post just now? There reallys is some bollocks talked in this forum. Cricket's even.

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Your last post, at least, is argumentative. he, he :-)

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Are you mob still arguing about cost???? how many hrs now today?? Give it a rest will ya..I dont come to the forums to read about your petty arguments. If the project was to get its own hardware to do the calcs we all are doing god only knows what it would cost so yes milkyway is doing it on the cheap..Lets leave it at that pleeease.

Can I second that??

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Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.

Please do Bandit....All this arguing is getting very tiresome.

Just a quick question.. As the Wu's are getting longer to run on CPU some are taking 2hrs, does anybody know if the 0.19 opp app will be tweaked to shorten the run times?

Cheers
Glenn

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No offense but Ice, why do you always have to be so argumentative?.

Now I am always argumentative? Really? Always? The only times I have ever posted have been argumentative? And you are not using arguments? You have never been argumentative? You can use arguments but I can't? You didn't use any arguments in your post just now? There reallys is some bollocks talked in this forum. Cricket's even.

LOL...we all know what style of argument CFL was talking about don't we Ice.

What I think...?

;-))

..thats more than enough..
and doesnt cost much.. ;-)

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Please do Bandit....All this arguing is getting very tiresome.

Just a quick question.. As the Wu's are getting longer to run on CPU some are taking 2hrs, does anybody know if the 0.19 opp app will be tweaked to shorten the run times?

Cheers
Glenn

The apps are about as far as the can go. What is left is more complicated changes which aren't supposed to really gain much time. (from what Cluster and others have said)

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Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.

Just to lighten the mood a little...
If i have a cricket ball in one hand, and a cricket ball in another hand. What do i have? :-)
...A very large cricket :P

Must be why they have so many crickets at Interpol.

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me@rescam.org

Message from server: No work sent
Message from Server: There was work available, but none for you as your abacus has been abducted.

That must be from SETI.

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4870 GPU
4870 GPU

Message from server: No work sent
Message from Server: There was work available, but none for you as your abacus has been abducted.

That must be from SETI.

When will MW have it's own Design your own Abacus contest?

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me@rescam.org

Thanks Bandit, I guess that its also very low prority as well due to the GPU side of things getting so close to production.

Worth asking the question tho..

Glenn

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Someone over at SETI said that just plugging in an S-Video cable to the extra card would activate it, no need for a dummy plug.

I would be surprised if an old KVM plugged into it wouldn't do the same. IF you have a "Goodwill Computer Store" locally they always have a bin of old KVMs. The old KVM, if it works, would also take care of more than one 'extra' card at a time.

Unfortunately I don't have two ATI cards to test this