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Message 24488 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 16:33:38 UTC

Hi Travis and the rest of the guys.

How much of this is true about the Gallactic Alignment that ment to happen on 21st December 2012 and is it true about what could happen?

Also what do you guys know of Planet X thats ment to be around at the same time?

I only ask because of the information i found at this web site
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Message 24492 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 17:38:22 UTC - in response to Message 24488.  
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Hi Travis and the rest of the guys.

How much of this is true about the Gallactic Alignment that ment to happen on 21st December 2012 and is it true about what could happen?

Also what do you guys know of Planet X thats ment to be around at the same time?

I only ask because of the information i found at this web site


It's as true as Y2K.

The only thing that could happen is a super massive solar flare, if the cycle is figured correctly that would wipe all electronics out. (and I highly doubt this)
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
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Message 24494 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 17:51:25 UTC - in response to Message 24492.  

Hi Travis and the rest of the guys.

How much of this is true about the Gallactic Alignment that ment to happen on 21st December 2012 and is it true about what could happen?

Also what do you guys know of Planet X thats ment to be around at the same time?

I only ask because of the information i found at this web site


It's as true as Y2K.

The only thing that could happen is a super massive solar flare, if the cycle is figured correctly that would wipe all electronics out. (and I highly doubt this)


Well here is a little more about the Gallactic Alignment here
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Message 24504 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 20:30:09 UTC - in response to Message 24494.  

Well here is a little more about the Gallactic Alignment here

That "scientist" lost all credibility with me when he claimed that "all galaxies are flat and circular". It rapidly went downhill from there. ^_^
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Message 24525 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 1:23:24 UTC - in response to Message 24492.  

Hi Travis and the rest of the guys.

How much of this is true about the Gallactic Alignment that ment to happen on 21st December 2012 and is it true about what could happen?

Also what do you guys know of Planet X thats ment to be around at the same time?

I only ask because of the information i found at this web site


It's as true as Y2K.

The only thing that could happen is a super massive solar flare, if the cycle is figured correctly that would wipe all electronics out. (and I highly doubt this)

Those that are left will have to survive Y2K38, of course.
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Message 24537 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 5:45:54 UTC



Maybe we'll be on the backside and Jupiter will be on the frontside as it crosses. If Jupiter blows up we'll know we're doomed.
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Message 24572 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 14:48:52 UTC
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Hello MW@Home,

Personally I find the 2012 scenario to be a bunch of malarky, about the equivalent of the Y2K scare. A couple of things to think about:

Firstly, planet X was a theoretical creation to explain discrepencies in the gas giant planets'orbits. Turns out our estimates of the masses of these planets were off and the most recent estimates negate the need for another mass to make the model make sense.

Secondly, even if we assume that the Mayan calendar ends at 2012 for an astronomical reason (unlikely since the calendar is made to be "rolled over" each time it is completed, 2012 is the time for the 13th roll, meaning the Mayan calendar has ended 12 times already...) a galactic alignment is going to have about as much of an affect as the sign you were born under. Mathematically the doctor performing the delivery has more of an effect gravitationally than even the closest stars.

Something to look at in these websites are phrases like "recent data collected BY IHC ASTRONOMERS, astrophysicists, ..." in other words these are not peer reviewed scientific papers or generally accepted hypotheses, otherwise there would be referenced works from other scientists and institutions. This ( http://adsabs.harvard.edu/preprint_service.html ) website is a reliable source of peer reviewed papers that both are referenced by other astronomers and reference other works. If you search that database for "2012 doomsday" you will find that the most scientifically accepted doomsday scenario revolves around dark energy and is estimated to happen no sooner than 10 billion years in the future.

Hope this eases your mind,
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Message 24575 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 15:09:21 UTC - in response to Message 24572.  

10 billion years in the future.


aaahhhhh....10 billion years....run...panic....(hides under covers)...






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Message 24582 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 16:26:11 UTC

As an update.

This is a viral marketing scheme for the movie 2012.

Similar to the marketing done by the movie Cloverfield where they claimed that ships were disappearing in Asian waters.

Check out the footer on the IHC website.
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Message 24589 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 18:02:02 UTC

Ok lets jump back a bit.

First of all is

1. How much of this is true about the Gallactic Alignment that ment to happen on 21st December 2012?

2. This comes from NASA website.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm

March 10, 2006: It's official: Solar minimum has arrived. Sunspots have all but vanished. Solar flares are nonexistent. The sun is utterly quiet.

Like the quiet before a storm.

This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.

see captionThat was a solar maximum. The Space Age was just beginning: Sputnik was launched in Oct. 1957 and Explorer 1 (the first US satellite) in Jan. 1958. In 1958 you couldn't tell that a solar storm was underway by looking at the bars on your cell phone; cell phones didn't exist. Even so, people knew something big was happening when Northern Lights were sighted three times in Mexico. A similar maximum now would be noticed by its effect on cell phones, GPS, weather satellites and many other modern technologies.

Right: Intense auroras over Fairbanks, Alaska, in 1958. [More]

Dikpati's prediction is unprecedented. In nearly-two centuries since the 11-year sunspot cycle was discovered, scientists have struggled to predict the size of future maxima—and failed. Solar maxima can be intense, as in 1958, or barely detectable, as in 1805, obeying no obvious pattern.

The key to the mystery, Dikpati realized years ago, is a conveyor belt on the sun.

We have something similar here on Earth—the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt, popularized in the sci-fi movie The Day After Tomorrow. It is a network of currents that carry water and heat from ocean to ocean--see the diagram below. In the movie, the Conveyor Belt stopped and threw the world's weather into chaos.

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Above: Earth's "Great Ocean Conveyor Belt." [More]

The sun's conveyor belt is a current, not of water, but of electrically-conducting gas. It flows in a loop from the sun's equator to the poles and back again. Just as the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt controls weather on Earth, this solar conveyor belt controls weather on the sun. Specifically, it controls the sunspot cycle.

Solar physicist David Hathaway of the National Space Science & Technology Center (NSSTC) explains: "First, remember what sunspots are--tangled knots of magnetism generated by the sun's inner dynamo. A typical sunspot exists for just a few weeks. Then it decays, leaving behind a 'corpse' of weak magnetic fields."

Enter the conveyor belt.

see caption"The top of the conveyor belt skims the surface of the sun, sweeping up the magnetic fields of old, dead sunspots. The 'corpses' are dragged down at the poles to a depth of 200,000 km where the sun's magnetic dynamo can amplify them. Once the corpses (magnetic knots) are reincarnated (amplified), they become buoyant and float back to the surface." Presto—new sunspots!

Right: The sun's "great conveyor belt." [Larger image]

All this happens with massive slowness. "It takes about 40 years for the belt to complete one loop," says Hathaway. The speed varies "anywhere from a 50-year pace (slow) to a 30-year pace (fast)."

When the belt is turning "fast," it means that lots of magnetic fields are being swept up, and that a future sunspot cycle is going to be intense. This is a basis for forecasting: "The belt was turning fast in 1986-1996," says Hathaway. "Old magnetic fields swept up then should re-appear as big sunspots in 2010-2011."

Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.

"History shows that big sunspot cycles 'ramp up' faster than small ones," he says. "I expect to see the first sunspots of the next cycle appear in late 2006 or 2007—and Solar Max to be underway by 2010 or 2011."

Who's right? Time will tell. Either way, a storm is coming.

and is backed up with this

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2007EOSTr..88T.210Z

Title:
In Brief: Next solar cycle expected to be intense
Authors:
Zielinski, Sarah
Publication:
Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union, Volume 88, Issue 19, p. 210-210
Publication Date:
05/2007
Origin:
AGU
AGU Keywords:
Solar Physics, Astrophysics, and Astronomy: Solar activity cycle (2162), Space Weather: Forecasting (2722)
Abstract Copyright:
(c) 2007: American Geophysical Union
DOI:
10.1029/2007EO190005
Bibliographic Code:
2007EOSTr..88T.210Z
Abstract
Solar Cycle 24 will be a period of intense solar storms that will peak in late 2011 to mid-2012, according to the NOAA-led Solar Cycle 24 Prediction Panel's consensus forecast that was released on 25 April. The forecast will be used for planning by government and industry groups; power and communication networks, satellites, and airplanes can be affected by sunspot activity. The panel evaluated more than 40 predictions, which ranged from 42 to 185 sunspots total for the cycle. The consensus prediction was based on six techniques, three based on statistics and three based on physics and theory of the Sun's dynamo conveyor belt. The validity of the prediction will soon get its first test; if it does not accurately predict the Solar Cycle 23 minimum, it will also likely fail to predict the timing, duration, and intensity of the next peak, said panel chair Douglas Biesecker, a solar physicist with the NOAA Space Environment Center.

Well yes we have sun spot activity all the time but what i can get from this is that these solor flares will be as bad or worse than the ones in 1954 and since the was not much electrical around at the time it would not of been noticed.







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Message 24590 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 18:34:23 UTC - in response to Message 24589.  
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March 10, 2006:


^^Nuff said.


In the last year a few sunspots have came about. It cycles. The planets aren't going to allign on that day, not even remotely possible.
http://www.heavens-above.com/planets.aspx?lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=CET (put in 2012, 12, 12(Can't link that day's page))


If you(anyone) thinks the universe will cease in a year or two then go hide.
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Message 24595 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 19:37:30 UTC

It is important to define what the Galactic Alignment is in precise astronomical terms. (See the Glossary below for terms.)

The Galactic Alignment is the alignment of the December solstice sun with the Galactic equator. This alignment occurs as a result of the precession of the equinoxes.

Precession is caused by the earth wobbling very slowly on its axis and shifts the position of the equinoxes and solstices one degree every 71.5 years. Because the sun is one-half of a degree wide, it will take the December solstice sun 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator (see diagram below).

The precise alignment of the solstice point (the precise center-point of the body of the sun as viewed from earth) with the Galactic equator was calculated to occur in 1998 (Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997).

Thus, the Galactic Alignment "zone" is 1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 - 2016. This is "era-2012."

This Galactic Alignment occurs only once every 26,000 years, and was what the ancient Maya were pointing to with the 2012 end-date of their Long Count calendar.



These are the astronomical facts of the matter. From a larger perspective, we can visualize the 2012 Galactic Alignment in the following way:



Position A is where the December solstice sun was in relation to the Milky Way some 3,000 years ago. Position B is 1,500 years ago. And position C is "era-2012", when the December solstice sun has converged, as a result of the precession of the equinoxes, with the exact center-line of the Milky Way (the Galactic equator). Notice that the place of alignment is where the 'nuclear bulge' of the Galactic Center is located.

A long awaiting digital portrayal of precession and galactic alignments is now available on Nick Fiorenza's web site.



Descriptions of the process are also there, but it should be noted that Nick describes what I refer to as "the solstice-galaxy alignment" with a preference for the equinox as the measuring reference. Thus, he speaks of the "Holy Cross" of the equinox axis and the Milky Way. The point is that "solstice-galaxy alignment" and "equinox-galaxy cross" refer to the same event.

It is my hope that the these definitions will help to standardize the terminology so we can clearly discuss the rare precessional alignment that culminates in era-2012.

This was written by By John Major Jenkins
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Message 24613 - Posted: 8 Jun 2009, 22:45:19 UTC

I think some folks have too much time on their hands....or their hands on something else.
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Message 25991 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 7:48:28 UTC - in response to Message 24582.  
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As an update.

This is a viral marketing scheme for the movie 2012.

Similar to the marketing done by the movie Cloverfield where they claimed that ships were disappearing in Asian waters.


lol what?

This 2012 thing has been around ALOT longer than the new upcoming movie "2012" I think you better get your facts straight, before criticizing something.

Try Googling "Nibiru"
To answer the OP's question...nobody here can say for CERTAIN what the future brings, but I'm sure if there's a planet heading towards Earth, NASA and the governments already know about it..but are keeping it hush hush due to panic.
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Message 26016 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 15:52:45 UTC

Sorry if this sounds heretical, but I think Youtube is the biggest waste of bandwidth on the planet. Ninty-nine percent of everything there represented as "scientific fact" is total kaka. OTOH, there is some actual scientific information posted to this thread, by nickth and others. Of course, that stuff is boring and hard to concentrate on. So what the heck...Maybe just go with Youtube, huh? Or watch ghost hunters on TV for awhile.

For anyone who's read Dan Simmon's wonderful Hyperion books, I'd like to see Youtube get the same treatment the Fat Line got in those novels, i.e. shut down by unknown alien entities for being a wasteful abuse of the cosmos.

Y2K? Please don't remind me! I was an IT manager then, and I can't tell you how many hundreds of hours my peers and I wasted on that one, looking for hoodoos.

In the moderately likely case that I'm still here on 21 Dec 2012, and if the sky is clear, I'll step outside just before bedtime and check to make sure the stars aren't winking out or anything and have a good laugh.
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Message 26017 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 15:57:32 UTC

News Flash - Galaxy To Collide with Earth!

Don't worry about planets or asteroids hitting us. The whole Andromeda galaxy is headed straight for the Milky Way, where we live, and nothing can stop it!

ETA: 3 billion years

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Message 26047 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 22:25:11 UTC - in response to Message 26017.  

News Flash - Galaxy To Collide with Earth!

Don't worry about planets or asteroids hitting us. The whole Andromeda galaxy is headed straight for the Milky Way, where we live, and nothing can stop it!

ETA: 3 billion years


Guess I should get my affairs in order b4 it gets here then!!! You think I've got enough time? ;-p
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Message 26050 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 23:08:50 UTC - in response to Message 26047.  

News Flash - Galaxy To Collide with Earth!

Don't worry about planets or asteroids hitting us. The whole Andromeda galaxy is headed straight for the Milky Way, where we live, and nothing can stop it!

ETA: 3 billion years


Guess I should get my affairs in order b4 it gets here then!!! You think I've got enough time? ;-p

You may get some work to crunch by then.
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Message 26059 - Posted: 20 Jun 2009, 0:12:38 UTC - in response to Message 26050.  

News Flash - Galaxy To Collide with Earth!

Don't worry about planets or asteroids hitting us. The whole Andromeda galaxy is headed straight for the Milky Way, where we live, and nothing can stop it!

ETA: 3 billion years


Guess I should get my affairs in order b4 it gets here then!!! You think I've got enough time? ;-p

You may get some work to crunch by then.

Behind the times again!
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Message 26061 - Posted: 20 Jun 2009, 0:46:20 UTC - in response to Message 26017.  
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News Flash - Galaxy To Collide with Earth!

Don't worry about planets or asteroids hitting us.




I'm not claiming that a planet is going to collide with Earth..but that one might pass us by in its rotation around the milkyway.

Or the fact that some scientist are claiming that there might be a planetary alignment, that on one knows for sure whats going to happen to Earth after this..but some are saying it will shift on its axis ..another words..pole shift. OR the fact that their saying our sun will send out a heavy wave of radation thus taking out our satellites. <--Which was recently on the news btw

I love how people will discredit something without ACTUAL proof.
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