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1) Message boards : News : A Brief Introduction (Message 55619)
Posted 29 Sep 2012 by ba2pt
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Awesome! Welcome and thanks for posting.
2) Message boards : News : Plot Progression! (Message 55318)
Posted 9 Aug 2012 by ba2pt
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The first picture shows everything really well, especially after I read down and saw what the black versus white arrows meant.

Easily interpreted pictures are good and helpful.

Nice!
3) Message boards : News : Progress Report (Message 54751)
Posted 11 Jun 2012 by ba2pt
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Awesome!
4) Message boards : MilkyWay@home Science : The Map? (Message 54713)
Posted 7 Jun 2012 by ba2pt
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A glimpse would be nice, yes.
5) Message boards : MilkyWay@home Science : The Map? (Message 54513)
Posted 26 May 2012 by ba2pt
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...So should I assume we won't be seeing the map for a few years?
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error (Message 54512)
Posted 26 May 2012 by ba2pt
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I have endless computation errors despite having no screen saver. This is frustrating.
7) Message boards : MilkyWay@home Science : The Map? (Message 54436)
Posted 16 May 2012 by ba2pt
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I'd really like to see the model too. I understand the science comes first. However, it sounds like we'll be waiting a long, long time.

Matthew, unless I'm misreading your post, you're saying that the loose plan is to put together a visualization of the map "once it's near completion." Then you mention the North galactic cap being finished this year, and you guys have yet to start on the southern data.

Does this mean we're looking at 2+ years to see any sort of visualization of what we're crunching?
8) Message boards : Number crunching : HD5870 dead - help with replacement! (Message 50369)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by ba2pt
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That's a perfectly fair trade:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/307650-33-5870-6950
9) Message boards : Number crunching : 5970 Help..... (Message 50189)
Posted 18 Jul 2011 by ba2pt
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May need to reduce the core clock a bit from 900Mhz on a 5970 as the recent MilkyWay tasks may be more stressful than the ones in the past and certainly much more demanding on hardware than PrimeGrid. With the very fast purging of tasks here you need to watch very carefully to notice occasional tasks that appear to complete and report successfully but do not validate due to hardware errors.

I've noticed this too and have had to dial back the clocks on all my boxes. Still, there's more validation errors than there used to be.


Could that be why my Windows UI has started lagging when I run Milkyway? I used to be able to do anything unintensive, things like browsing the Internet or typing documents, with MW in the background, but now everything lags. To fix it I'll hit "Snooze GPU" on BOINC and I can watch all my lagging actions fast forward for about three seconds until I'm back to normal, crisp responsiveness.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the meaning of "Consecutive valid tasks" statistic? (Message 49932)
Posted 6 Jul 2011 by ba2pt
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Since my last post in this thread my value for "consecutive valid tasks" was not reseted once, I was watching it, it's ATM at 172 and I'm doing 80-100 WUs a day. So for this calculation should be right, my value should have been after this 7 days somewhere around 560-700. But it's not, not even close to that.

Link have you watched it 24 hours continious? Past week I could'nt sleep and watched it for 2.5 hours on two screens. One with the BOINC manager and the other with the tasks list and presed F5 every time 2 tasks where sent from the BOINC tray. And found no error. The CVT (consecutive valid tasks) did not increase with every validated task.
Today I found a first validate error and the CVT was reset to 1. (The max tasks per day not to 10000).
Now half an hour later several tasks are validated (credit has increased) but the CVT is still 1.
Have you an idea?


Sounds like both you and Link are seeing the same thing: despite initial expectations to the contrary, there's not a 1:1 relationship between the number of valid tasks submitted and the CVT count. Without more specificity, all we can call it is a loose measure of reliability. If your CVT is resetting all the time, then you may have problems with system stability. But any conclusions beyond that are going to be unjustified.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the meaning of "Consecutive valid tasks" statistic? (Message 49339)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by ba2pt
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MilkyWay@Home 0.82 windows_x86_64 (ati14)
Number of tasks completed 7653
Max tasks per day 17748
Number of tasks today 2016
Consecutive valid tasks 662
Average processing rate 431.94021858927
Average turnaround time 0.01 days



Your valid task count dwarfs mine, but it is also much lower than the number of tasks (2016) you've been sent today. Not sure if that's a useful comparison, but a broader range of results is helpful.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the meaning of "Consecutive valid tasks" statistic? (Message 49338)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by ba2pt
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53 is the highest I saw at any point. I've been on and off my computer though. I'm sure it got higher overnight. This latest reset happened while I was asleep, and -- obviously not a coincidence -- there was a validate error in the morning:

http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=50033167
Name de_separation_10_3s_fix20_2_868311_1308125661_1
Workunit 34658604
Created 15 Jun 2011 | 11:04:59 UTC
Sent 15 Jun 2011 | 11:08:50 UTC
Received 15 Jun 2011 | 12:57:02 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Validate error
Client state Done
Exit status 0 (0x0)
Computer ID 286349
Report deadline 27 Jun 2011 | 11:08:50 UTC
Run time 516.94
CPU time 11.75
Validate state Invalid
Credit 0.00
Application version MilkyWay@Home v0.82 (cuda_opencl)
Stderr output

<core_client_version>6.10.60</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>

</stderr_txt>
]]>



Clearly, every compute error, validate error, or bad workunit from the server drops this count back to zero. It's looking to me like the figure means exactly what it sounds like: "Consecutive valid tasks" is a running count of the number of valid results you've been able to string together without interruption. Whether the periodic reset is due to milkyway hiccuping and sending out invalid tasks, or our own computers flipping a one instead of a zero, is something for us to find out for ourselves. I have a mild overclock on my graphics card, which I've decreased slightly. We'll see if I build more validity by the end of today as a result.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the meaning of "Consecutive valid tasks" statistic? (Message 49322)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by ba2pt
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Well, I'm starting to build consecutive valid tasks:

Missing app version
Number of tasks completed 4083
Max tasks per day 13490
Number of tasks today 0
Consecutive valid tasks 5
Average processing rate 88.65894888594
Average turnaround time 0.10 days

MilkyWay@Home 0.80 windows_x86_64 (cuda_opencl)
Number of tasks completed 20
Max tasks per day 10020
Number of tasks today 0
Consecutive valid tasks 4
Average processing rate 96.326203241313
Average turnaround time 0.17 days

MilkyWay@Home 0.82 windows_x86_64 (cuda_opencl)
Number of tasks completed 282
Max tasks per day 10284
Number of tasks today 9
Consecutive valid tasks 53
Average processing rate 96.115415942437
Average turnaround time 0.07 days

It's all kind of fishy. Didn't a developer or moderator make a post saying it would be easy for them to display our error rates? It seems like a necessity for a project that burns after reading.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the meaning of "Consecutive valid tasks" statistic? (Message 49315)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by ba2pt
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From my observation (and I'm looking quite carefully right now, as I'm testing a new system), the real number of consecutive valid tasks is "Max tasks per day" - 10000. That's the part I'm 99% sure about.


What makes you 99% sure of that? Everything that you said sounds theoretically possible, but I'm having a hell of a time trying to prove things on my PC. I never know when a wingman's going to validate or when the results will head off to database heaven, unreachable by us mortals. Regardless, I am gratified to hear that other people are puzzling over the same things as I. Thanks for your and Sunny's and Beyond's input.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : What is the meaning of "Consecutive valid tasks" statistic? (Message 49280)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by ba2pt
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I've been trying desperately to figure out my error rate on this project. I'd love to know if I'm producing useful results. Hell, I'd love to know if I'm producing useless results. But there is very little feedback and all my results disappear so quickly that I'm never sure what's going on.

Am I contributing to science? Am I churning uselessly?

Because of the mild annoyance of never knowing what is going on, I've been swimming through menus, looking for hints. Under "Application details for host..." I found one variable that lists "Number of tasks completed" and other that lists "Consecutive valid tasks."

Missing app version
Number of tasks completed 4083
Max tasks per day 13490
Number of tasks today 0
Consecutive valid tasks 5
Average processing rate 88.65894888594
Average turnaround time 0.10 days

MilkyWay@Home 0.80 windows_x86_64 (cuda_opencl)
Number of tasks completed 20
Max tasks per day 10020
Number of tasks today 0
Consecutive valid tasks 4
Average processing rate 96.326203241313
Average turnaround time 0.17 days

MilkyWay@Home 0.82 windows_x86_64 (cuda_opencl)
Number of tasks completed 98
Max tasks per day 10098
Number of tasks today 18
Consecutive valid tasks 17
Average processing rate 95.334224612124
Average turnaround time 0.09 days

If I truly can't string together more than five valid results in a row on one app version, and only seventeen on another, well that would imply that I'm getting terrible results. Ideally I'd have hundreds of consecutive valid tasks, no? But, of course, I don't know. Thus all the question marks.




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