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21) Message boards : Number crunching : Listed Application GigaFLOP estimations (Message 63765)
Posted 24 Jun 2015 by Profile Conan
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I was looking through the currently available Applications for Milkyway and found that there must be thousands of Macs running this project.

When I say thousands I mean many thousands as the GigaFLOP output for the
Mac OS X 10.5 running Intel 64 bit 1.36(opencl_nvidia_101) shows 31,422,013,947,084 GigaFLOPS

Nvidia must be very happy as well.

I suppose it could be a computing cluster supplying the processing power?

Very impressive output.

Conan
22) Message boards : News : Separation Modified Fit v1.28 Release (Message 59994)
Posted 25 Sep 2013 by Profile Conan
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Just wondering if the Max # Errors could be increased?

Currently at 2, but with a Total # WUs of 9 and Total # Success at 6 it is not adding up.

I have successfully completed a WU only to find I was granted 0.00 as could not validate See Here.

It seems odd to me that some 'Modified Fit' work units need only a quorum of 1 but others need more, usually the slightly longer running ones it seems.

And quite often the 'Minimum Quorum' is 2 but 'Initial Replication' is 1 and credit is granted on the 1 work unit, again seems odd.

Conan
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Catalyst is not OK (Message 59993)
Posted 25 Sep 2013 by Profile Conan
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I receive this message and I am not even using the video card, only have CPU selected in preferences.

Conan
24) Message boards : Number crunching : MT and single-CPU point differences (Message 59873)
Posted 10 Sep 2013 by Profile Conan
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Re-started running some CPU Milkyway tasks and found that the Milkyway@home N-BODY Simulation v1.36 (mt) tasks are giving a lot less points than the other Milkyway@home applications.

On 6 Core Linux 64 bit computer

Milkyway@home N-BODY Simulation (mt) v1.36, Run Time= 1,260.27s, CPU Time= 6,598.42s gives 70.84 points (See WU 424213680)
Milkyway@home v1.01, Run Time= 3852.00s, CPU Time= 3816.61s gives 106.88 points (See WU 424348905)
Milkyway@home Separation (Modified Fit) v1.26, Run Time= 14,881.84s, CPU Time= 14,763.36s gives 213.76 points (See WU 419384816)
Milkyway@home Separation (Modified Fit) v1.26, Run Time= 9,136.92s, CPU Time= 9,071.21s gives 267.19 points (See WU 423885082)

A 4 core computer is similar.

It is not adding up to me when a Multi-Thread Application uses all available CPU resources (stopping other work from taking place) but awards less for doing so.

Conan
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors (Message 59843)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Conan
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Checked it Blurf, but it does not apply that I can see and there is no solution other than maybe a reset of the project.

But in my case I was being sent 64 Bit work to a 32 Bit computer and they just don't work, after de-selecting Modfit all now working.
There is no 32 Bit Modfit work.

Thanks
Conan
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation errors (Message 59832)
Posted 6 Sep 2013 by Profile Conan
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Modfit errors for me as the system keeps sending me the Modfit Separation work units to my 32 Bit Windows computer.
I believe that they are 64 bit for Windows, hence why they are failing.

Have de-selected them now.

Conan
27) Message boards : Number crunching : couple of ps_separation tasks are having fits (Message 57245)
Posted 13 Feb 2013 by Profile Conan
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All mine do the same as well, it doesn't seem to stop them from running and they seem to validate.
Both 32 bit Win XP and 64 bit Fedora 16 Linux

Conan
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Error with request of data for calculations. (Message 57244)
Posted 13 Feb 2013 by Profile Conan
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Cosmology@Home needs to be Reset to stop the error

Cosmology@Home | If this happens repeatedly you may need to reset the project.

The error is probably affecting MilkyWay"s access to the net as BOINC Manager tries to work out what is going on.

Conan
29) Message boards : Number crunching : All work Units giving "Computational Error" (Message 52764)
Posted 1 Feb 2012 by Profile Conan
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G'Day mark,
I have just run some test work units and found my reliable machine was giving the same errors as you are getting.
A Reset did not work.
A detach/reattach did not work (I did this twice).
A Reboot of the computer actually got things working again, so if you haven't done this it could be worth a try.

(My other computer with same software and graphic cards has no problem (although it did give a BSOD with Milkyway running).

Conan
30) Message boards : Number crunching : All(?) results are Validate Errors (Message 47955)
Posted 17 Apr 2011 by Profile Conan
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Well after finding that all work was getting validate errors I went looking for an answer and found that for the last 4 days to maybe a week I have been getting this problem.
I did not realise that the applications were no longer usable and had kept processing 0.23 apps which it now seems have been wasting electricity and I didn't know it.

Have now downloaded the new application and adjusted the app_info.xml file for the correct application number and all now running fine.

That is a quite a few thousand lost credits.

Conan.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : admin response very bad (Message 46609)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile Conan
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The delay in getting a WU verified is all part of the afore mentioned Server Work that the project is working on presently.
With the improvements and upgrades to the server you should find that work units will be verified a lot quicker and you will get your credit a lot quicker.

I too have noticed the delay in getting credit for work done.
I have not worried about it as I know it will be verified fairly soon and I will get my credit.

No need to leave the project it is getting improved on with work unit improvements and Server improvements. Also hopefully even all the stuck work units might then be cleaned out as well.

Conan.
32) Message boards : News : Updated separation to 0.50 (Message 45541)
Posted 13 Jan 2011 by Profile Conan
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This is becoming frustrating... Call me the guy from the ICE AGE but i'm not understanding a thing of what we are doing here... The process of it all is beyond me... Can someone explain to me in short, concise, "English" in what way is my PC contributing BOINC via Milkyway server (Whatever) in finding extraterrestrials...

it's tough i know... to have someone as ignorant as me but... just someone humour me with an explanation... I'll be grateful for life!


G'Day Niburujoe,

BOINC is a platform through which many projects can be launched all doing different things.

SETI also uses the BOINC platform (the first project to do so) and it's purpose is to find signs of Alien life.

It is just one of a number of Astronomy projects, some others being:-

Einstein_____(searches for Pulsars, gravity waves and such)
Cosmology____(trying to understand the universe (I think))
MilkyWay_____(as Matt said trying to get a better idea how big and massive
_____________ Milkyway really is)
Orbit________(tracking space junk including asteroids and meteors)
Constellation____(various space and science projects)

plus a few others.

So as you can see you wont find Aliens here at Milkyway but you may help us find out more about the Galaxy in which we live.

Conan.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Getting lots of Invalid Wus - Help? (Message 42425)
Posted 28 Sep 2010 by Profile Conan
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I too am having problems with work units that error out.

I have three 5870 cards, all the same type with one in one computer and two in the other.
The single card is running just fine without a problem or an error.

The two card set up is the one with the issues.
I was wondering why my RAC was not moving up very fast on the dual card machine so I checked the work units.
A very large number were getting 0.00 and classed as invalid.
Nearly all were paired with a 64 bit computer and when another 64 bit computer was added to check results I was always kicked out of the Quorum.

I have a large pending amount as well, this is probably related to the inconclusive results but all are now getting 0.00 as well when quorum is met.

Settings are the same on all cards, app_info file is at default settings.

I have now stopped these two cards from doing Milkyway and gone back to DNETC which is having no such problems at all, leaving my single card doing Milkyway.

I seem to recall I may of had this problem before with my 4870 cards, so I stopped them as well.

I now have new cards and updated the application as well but still have the same issue.

Not sure what is going on. I did down clock the single card but as I was doing Collatz as a backup project I put it back to normal a it all slowed down.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Many "errors while computing" in the stats! (Message 38891)
Posted 20 Apr 2010 by Profile Conan
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I have been away from Milkyway for a while as I was doing DNETC but it started to run "xfer_error" errors at the rate of 25%.
So I switched back to Milky to test the cards.
Not a good move unfortunately, as all I kept getting were VPU reset errors, I did not get those before on any project and was not getting them when I last left.
Updated to the latest 0.23 version but nothing changed, as soon as I try to do some work on the same Windows computer that is running Milky the computer freezes then a VPU errors reset. Only the one card locks up and a suspend/resume will allow the WU to start again with a much longer run time as the process time does not stop only percent done stops.

I have now switched to Collatz and after again updating the app version, it is running great with no hassles and I can use the computer at the same time without it freezing.

I am using two 4800 cards, heat does not appear a problem and the cards are standard.

So I am at a loss as to why I can no longer run Milkyway
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Milestones II (Message 36526)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile Conan
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18,000,000 in Milkyway

40,000,000 in BOINC Overall Total.

Doing my bit for Science.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Ati 4200 iGPU (Message 34819)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile Conan
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Hey there guys!
Can any one tell me if the integrated 4200 is able to process MW work nits?



See the thread Titled ATI GPUs
One of the postings has a list of compatible devices.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Unexpected App of Unknown Origin (Message 34524)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Conan
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I shutdown BOINC and edited my app_info.xml file. When I restarted BOINC the client deleted the WU I had been working on, but when it downloaded a new WU BOINC Manager showed the app to be milkyway 0.20. Strange bug, that. One would think the client would identify the fastest app and go with that.

In reading not just the above but also some of your earlier statements, there are quite a few things you are getting confused about.

Firstly in the above quote, you say that showing the app in BOINC manager as "milkyway 0.20" is a bug. In fact there is no bug and it is perfectly correct because that is exactly what your app_info.xml says the description in BOINC manager should be. I have explained this in response to another question so please feel free to read the explanation of why this is so here. Warning: You may need to start at the beginning of the thread to get the full picture.

Secondly, you say that the client should identify the fastest app and go with that. How is it supposed to do that? The whole point of AP is to make sure that both the client and the server have ZERO choice in the matter. The precise app to be used is specified in app_info.xml. It is NEVER downloaded by the client. It MUST exist in the project folder before the client starts up. You will always get an error if the app specified in app_info.xml doesn't exist.

You said in an earlier message that an app was downloaded with a task. When that happened, you could not have had a valid app_info.xml in place and what was downloaded would have been the normal stock app and not an optimised one. You were correct to get rid of that app and start again.

The app_info.xml file you published implies the following facts/conditions

  • You must supply an app called 'astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe'.
  • The app will be called 'milkyway 0.20' when displayed in BOINC manager.
  • You must place the app called 'astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe' in the MW project folder.
  • This program must already exist before the client is started.
  • This program will never be downloaded by a client request.
  • If this program doesn't exist, it will be a fatal error.
  • This program can be used to crunch any existing tasks already 'branded' as 0.19 or 0.20
  • Any new tasks downloaded will be branded 0.20


If you need further details about this, please read the message I linked in the 2nd paragraph above.

Also, you were given incorrect information that version 20 has to be listed before version 19. The natural way is to list 19 first but it will work either way. BOINC always assumes that the bigger number numerically is the latest version.



G'Day Gary,
Yes I know that it should make no difference and on other projects where I have used an app_info.xml file I have placed the various apps listed from oldest to youngest (some of the Einstein app_info files from a while back were very long so as to include all the various apps running at the time with the Beta releases).
However I have not been the only one to have to had modified my app_info file both here and I think Collatz was the other place, in order to get the latest app to download.
As for incorrect information, well if the syntax is wrong that is unfortunate, BOINC is an amazing thing that is often hard to fathom, but as you have seen it worked and it works for me also.

I currently get round the problem by running out all the old work and then just adding the new app_info.xml file with only the new app listed in it.

Conan.
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Unexpected App of Unknown Origin (Message 34474)
Posted 12 Dec 2009 by Profile Conan
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Because of a couple of issues it was necessary for me to detach from and reattach to MW. I had been using the SSE opti app although, after some time, the name changed from astronomy 0.20 to milkyway 0.20. So after I reattached I again downloaded the SSE version of the opti app. What follows is the app_info.xml file:

<app_info>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>

<app_version>
<app_name>milkyway</app_name>
<version_num>19</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>

<app_version>
<app_name>milkyway</app_name>
<version_num>20</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

When I downloaded a WU the app was named milkyway 0.19. The first time this happened the app had downloaded with the WU, since milkyway 0.19 had appeared in the ...projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway subdirectory. So I deleted milkyway 0.19 from the subdirectory, aborted the WU, and downloaded another WU. This time the app named in BOINC Manager again was milkyway 0.19 (the complete name was milkyway_0.19_windows_intelx86.exe), but the app didn't show up in ...projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway. Interestingly, when I downloaded the most recent WU, the file astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe asked permission from my AV software to connect to the internet. Given the contents of app_info.xml it looks to me that astronomy_0.20_SSE.exe will play nice with either v0.19 or v0.20 WUs, and it looks to me like the stock app is crunching the WU, although I can't explain why the app is not listed in ...projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway. Can anybody explain what's goin on?

Steve


Edit your app_info.xml file to put app 20 first and app 19 second in the list.

It has been found that the first one is loaded rather than the second even if the second is the one you want and is available.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Milestones II (Message 32347)
Posted 13 Oct 2009 by Profile Conan
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EUREKA! Have now passed 10,000,000 cobblestones on MilkyWay.
Also have passed (or soon will)1,000,000 cobblestones on 3 Projects; Collatz Conjecture plus AQUA as well Docking.

Team Cobar Spidershas also passed 10,000,000cobblestones on MilkyWay.
Plus also passed 1,000,000cobblestones on Collatz Conjecture plus AQUA as well Docking.

Team Cobar Spidershas also passed 20,000,000 cobblestones in BOINC Projects Overall Total.

Congratulations to you ICE on 50,000,000 and to TGG for 20,000,000 and all others on your milestones.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with ATI GPU crunching (Message 30055)
Posted 31 Aug 2009 by Profile Conan
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I'm still suffering from the same problem. I'm really surprised the M@H team are refusing to update these drivers to support post 9.1/9.2 drivers. What are M@H going to do when XP and Vista have been replaced by Win 7? Simply give up and demand everyone start calculating on their CPU or assume that nobody is going to update their drivers because they've got nothing better to do than just run M@H?


Has nothing to do with Milkyway@home.
The drivers are produced by ATI (now owned by AMD) and not every driver version works with all card/OS combinations.
It is up to you to find the correct driver version (of which there are a number available) to suit your particular ATI card and operating system combination, not the Milkyway@home team.

So while you might be surprised at the team from Milkyway for 'refusing' to do what you think they should be doing, unfortunately they have no control over the situation.
So all they can do is produce the Application, this was adapted by some clever users (information shared with the project) so that it can work on certain ATI cards, then it is up to us users do a bit of work to get it work on our different computer setups.


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