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21) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 32620)
Posted 21 Oct 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Hi, I'm getting about a 28% error rate running the v.20(b) MW ATI app.

Stream Allocation : Failed to create Buffer
Kernel Execution : Uninitialized or Allocation failed Input streams.
Stream Allocation : Failed to create Buffer


This buffer alloc error is occurring on two different machines.

Both machines have HD4850 cards. One clocked stock 625/993 the other one at 650/975MHz.

The stock clocked one is running WindozeXP 32b, SP3 has ~29 out of the last 100 WUs get the error below. The slightly OC'd one running WindozeXP 64b, had ~27 out of the last 100WUs get the error below.

Both are running the same app version, both using driver v8.12 and BOINC v6.10.13. Both machines are running 4 WUs at a time.

I am wondering if the 4 WUs in parallel is the root cause but would like the developer's opinion on that.

I'm currently changing the Win 64b machine to run 3 at a time in an attempt to see if that improves the error rate at all.

The error in all cases looks like THIS ONE
22) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI GPU app 0.19f fixes the ps_sgr_208_3s errors (Message 32264)
Posted 11 Oct 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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If you have an ATI card I think you should no longer be using 19f but should be using v0.20 or v0.20b. I have not heard of an ATI 185.xx driver, I do not know the driver version numbers but always refer to them by their Catalyst version. 185.xx does look familiar to me though, because it looks like the version number of an nVidia driver.

ATI GPU apps prior to the silent update v0.20 all required installation of MSVC++ 2005 SP1 runtime package (or .NET Framework), since the silent update v0.20 this is no longer necessary.


Yea, My bad. I had two many windows going on to too many machines... 185.xx is the driver on one of my cuda gpugrid machines. Does v8.12 sound better?

I reinstalled boinc v6.10.13 and the MW .20 ati app and have it running again. It appears that elapsed time of two running in parallel is less than two running sequentially. So I'll play with that some more.

Thanx.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : There are no child processes to wait for. (Message 32263)
Posted 11 Oct 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Thanx. I think I had something messed up with the user 'boinc-master'. Didn't actually figure it out but when I reinstalled v6.10.13 and the MW ati .20 application all was good again... at least running 1 WU. Playing with that now. Running two of them seems to work fine and the total elapsed time is coming in a few seconds under running two of them sequentially.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : There are no child processes to wait for. (Message 32259)
Posted 11 Oct 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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What did I miss on my reinstall? Using 185.xx drivers that were working with boinc 6.4.7 yesterday.

Run time	0
stderr out	

<core_client_version>6.6.38</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
There are no child processes to wait for. (0x80) - exit code 128 (0x80)
</message>
]]>

Validate state	Invalid
Claimed credit	0
Granted credit	0
application version	0.19


Tried going back to v6.4.7 also:

<core_client_version>6.4.7</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
There are no child processes to wait for. (0x80) - exit code 128 (0x80)
</message>
]]>
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Little help for those using opti apps. (Message 32255)
Posted 11 Oct 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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The reporting of CPU capabilities is about the same between Windows and Linux. I think any Bill Gates conspiracies can be ruled out.

Huh?! Not even close.

My Ubuntu Linux 64b reports on a Q6600:

Sat 10 Oct 2009 08:06:05 AM CDT		Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm


vs WinXP Pro 64 on a Q6600 both in Gigabyte G31 chipset mobos:

Sat 10 Oct 2009 06:56:20 PM CDT	 Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2


Conspiracy theory back in. ;-)
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 30063)
Posted 1 Sep 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Yea right... not here in windys land.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 29072)
Posted 9 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Has anyone tried running BOINC w/ the MW ATI app in a WinXP VirtualBox under Debian/Ubuntu?

signed, Sharon LOL


How about WinXP 32b in VirtualBox under any 64b Linux?

Wouldn't work in VirtualBox, because it emulates a graphics card. The application/drivers need native access to the card to work.


Glad I didn't spend a few hours on this last night. Thanx as it was still a slight temptation.

28) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 29005)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Has anyone tried running BOINC w/ the MW ATI app in a WinXP VirtualBox under Debian/Ubuntu?

signed, Sharon LOL


How about WinXP 32b in VirtualBox under any 64b Linux?
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 28993)
Posted 7 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Has anyone tried running BOINC w/ the MW ATI app in a WinXP VirtualBox under Debian/Ubuntu?

signed, Sharon LOL
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 28957)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Dang, I posted using her account again...
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 28901)
Posted 5 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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What I posted earlier is only part of the of the app_info.xml file, not all of it. It was just to show where the <cmdline> section was located and how to configure a wait factor of 0.8. Also included the kernel frequency of 20 Hz as John Clark was using on his HD3850.

I thought it better not to post it all because the application name is different for the 64-bit version and the 32-bit version.

I now use a wait factor of 1.1 on my HD 4890 with a kernel frequency of 20 Hz. I found this reduced the temperature by 3 or 4 degrees and only increased the time to complete a task by a few seconds.


I was wanting this for a 4850 I'll be installing by this weekend. Actually I have it temp installed in my wife's Windoze machine just to see it work (replacing her HD3870 for a bit). I understand the n weighting off of 1 but can you explain the f parm a bit? The HD3870 is running with app_info.xml as delivered and seems to do well with that.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 28883)
Posted 4 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Is this what you mean, Skip?

John Clark's HD 4850 details from Task details stderr out section:

Running Milkyway@home ATI GPU application version 0.19f by Gipsel
setting minimum kernel frequency to 20 Hz
allowing 3 concurrent WUs per GPU
scaling the wait times with 0.8

This would be achieved by inserting f20 and w0.8 in the middle of <cmdline></cmdline> in the app_info.xml file, like so:

<app_version>
<app_name>milkyway</app_name>
<version_num>19</version_num>
<flops>1.0e11</flops>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<cmdline>f20 w0.8</cmdline>
<file_ref>


Yea, was after the app_info.xml entry as I haven't touched the one that came out of the archive file. Thanx.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 28880)
Posted 4 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Can you post the entry in context so I can see what's around it / where it goes?
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 28831)
Posted 3 Aug 2009 by Skip Da Shu
Post:
Guide to using the ATI MW app

A) So far, the following cards work:

4770


Did somebody get one of these working... I never did even using the 'install 8.21 and copy in 9.x files needed for this card' 4890 method. Returned it and ordered a 4850 (hmmm better check front porch, s/b here today). Really too bad because this card is arguably the price/power/output combo winner. Sure would like to hear from someone who actually has THIS card working. Then I could do some cursing about restock fees and order another one.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Which ATI cards? (Message 28194)
Posted 22 Jul 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Warning over/underclocking your hardware voids the warranty.

And can cause warts on your private parts... unless you're GPU crunching for team Guru Mountain.... LOL

BTW, I sent my HD4770 back and am playing with a couple nvidia cards on other projects. I put the HD3870 in my wife's desktop as it's the only desktop machine that runs windoze all the time. Working like a champ over there on BOINC v6.4.7
36) Message boards : Number crunching : 4890 support (Message 27907)
Posted 17 Jul 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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I need to get some detail on this because I thought I followed this thru the other night and it didn't work for me.

Extract the 9.6 and the 8.12 drivers to the hard disk.
Do you mean the files on the ATI site that are JUST the driver files or the whole package that includes ccc, wdm and the video drivers?

If just the drivers which 'package' did you execute first (v8.12 or v9.6) to install ccc and wdm?

If not just the drivers did you execute the install .exe for the package of all three and which did you run 1st, v8.12 or v9.6?

I'm trying to get my 4770 running under WinXP SP2, 32b so everyplace you have "xp64" I have "xp32" files. I tried this and didn't have any success. I'm doing it again now and am documenting exactly what I did and what happened.

From the Prior night I have the ccc, wdm and video drivers installed from v9.6 at the start of this.

Then go into the C:\ATI\SUPPORT\9-6_xp64_dd_ccc_enu\Driver\Driver\XP6A_INF\B_81503 dir. and del all the files in the dir.
OK but what I really did here was move all these to a folder under XP_INF called 'backup'.

GO to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\8-12_xp64_dd_ccc_enu_72273\Driver\Driver\XP6A_INF\B_72960 dir. and copy all the files over to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\9-6_xp64_dd_ccc_enu\Driver\Driver\XP6A_INF\B_81503
OK

Run the setup file in C:\ATI\SUPPORT\9-6_xp64_dd_ccc_enu\Driver dir.
Once this setup starts it gives the option of something like 'regular' and 'advanced'. I selected 'advanced' and in the checkboxes there I unchecked everything EXCEPT "ATI Display Driver".

Now it give several warnings and let's me overwrite newer (v9.6) files with older (v8.12) files in /system32. Then it get's a "can not copy file" error on a missing file "atimpc32.dll". To resolve this I pointed it to my 'backup' folder and let it copy that v9.6 file from there.

The set up will say it cant find files with the ati or amd files that are listed in the ati_0.19f read me.Just find the one it is looking with the other name,copy to your desktop then rename it.Move the file back to C:\ATI\SUPPORT\9-6_xp64_dd_ccc_enu\Driver\Driver\XP6A_INF\B_81503 dir. hit cont. on the setup screen.
Do it for all 5 or 6 files.when the set up is done youll have 8-12 on the 4890.


Finished and didn't get these messages... that tells me I must be at a different starting point or we are doing something differently. Takes me back to my two questions at the top.

Must save this message here now... time to reboot. Sure hope it lets me edit it in a few minutes.


37) Message boards : Number crunching : 4890 support (Message 27905)
Posted 17 Jul 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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ooooooo.... sounds like a solution that'll work for my 4770! I might have to call in sick to work tomorrow ;-)



Didn't work but I'm gonna try it again as first time around I got a missing file that was not one of the 3 libcud*.dll files
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 27834)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Perhaps you could try the method used by Larry256 to get his HD 4890 to work with Windows XP.
Here


Yes, thank you VERY much... looks like to me like it would work for my 4770 also. That'll be tomorrow's project.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : 4890 support (Message 27833)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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ooooooo.... sounds like a solution that'll work for my 4770! I might have to call in sick to work tomorrow ;-)
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Using the MW ATi application, Q & A (Message 27829)
Posted 16 Jul 2009 by Skip Da Shu
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Well last week I had managed to uninstall ATI-MCC and the decoder for my ATI HDTV card. Last night I lost all sound and got Avira stuck in half-done upgrade. I rebooted it to Ubuntu and let BOINC crunch on the CPU over there last night. This morning I decided it was time to abandon all and restore the C: drive from a bit over a week ago when I'd screwed up the ATI MCC stuff. Well Acronis will not restore the C: drive... either from it's normal 'set it up, reboot and do it, then boot back to Windows' mode OR from the bootable CD. In the bootable CD Disk Director can see the drives, True Image says there are no hard drives on the machine. Makes restoring them tough. I have to assume I never re-tested a restore after I changed mobos on this thing. Anyway.. spent today getting HDTV & the sound drivers working again. I still can't get Avira reinstalled as but I can work on that some more tonight.

I also installed the ATI CCC and the driver from v9.5 (on XFX site I only saw v9.6). All appears OK, CCC works, GPU-Z works. Gool ol' BF2 plays fine.

Copied the 3 .dll files over (ati to amd) and have all 6 in system32. Started the BOINC service back up. Took NNW off of MW and it downloaded about 6 WUs and started 3 of them. About 1 second later the screen went black and the only way out was the reset button. I tried this a couple times and with both the 4770 and the CPU down-clocked a bit... same result.

Any other ideas... I still have a couple days in which to return the card if I need to. Too bad it's really nice, stays cool, exhausts out the back and doesn't draw much juice (it's the newer XFX variant). Meanwhile I put my 3870 in my wife's desktop and it's crunching MW on it with the v8.12 package (CCC, WDM and drivers).

Thanx, Skip

PS: [wimper, wimper] I miss my Ubuntu.


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