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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Where's our double credit? (Message 48243)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by 55degrees
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So holy week is over, the app has been updated, the server has been moved (over the holy weekend) and now it's time for the double credit!?

Or was it really just hollow promises to keep the masses appeased?


oh, gas, you missed the chance to say, "...and now it's time for the [holy] double credit!?" I apologize, I cannot help meself with this kind of holy humor.

besides, I doubt they have a problem with the double credit thing given how many times they have had accidental double credit, that some might suggest could have been holy credit.

oooops, sorry.
2) Message boards : News : Server updated (Message 47129)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by 55degrees
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this thread has taken a strange turn. what does rac have to do with this? it is to crunch WUs, total cobs. obviously, if I am crunching 24/7--assuming WUs in the cache, regardless the server side deficiencies, more is done compared to daily burps having no WUs. as gas pointed out, at least at this time, it might take longer to get the result, but more is crunched; that is good.

I am lost on this rac centric point. I am not lost on the competition that exists in the boinc verse, but seriously, the focus should be on ensuring the total cobs where it should be not whether the convoluted rac engine keeps it real.

if your total daily cobs are 500k, why does it matter if the rac 380k?
3) Message boards : Number crunching : what's coming?? (Message 46815)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by 55degrees
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mercy me, Blurf. you drop a bomb like that that has yet to go off, just there above our heads. would you please let go a tad more info? like time frame? something? are we talking xx megaton blast or just a, poof how cute, pea sized simtex go? come.

for those wondering what I am on about, check out http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=2295
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Issue Recommendations (Message 46483)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by 55degrees
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LOL, I drink some form of water everyday, good thing I'm not made of pipes!

I have only recently upgraded my computer to a Nvidia GTX 480 and I have to say that it has been running almost non-stop since last week.

I believe sometimes you have to uninstall even a very good program and let it start all over again.

In my humble opinion, MW is one of the most stable, most efficient projects out there.

(But, to tell the truth, I did get frustrated with MW last year and let it drift off my machine. But now it is easily the best user of the new technology. [My new GTX 480, I could be a bit biased])


72, just in case you do not know, I recommend you take a look at primegrid. I am not trying to push you away from mw--the science here is neat and when running I try to help, but your 480s will have more fruit at primegrid as I see at least one host, single gtx480, at 400k+ per day. again, I am not trying to push you away from mw as politically some get lathered up when at one project suggesting another, but these projects generally favor one of the two (amd or nvidia) and this project favors, at this time, amd. I have amd running this one, currently--when with WUs, and nvidia with primegrid. your gtx 480 is a very good card and your rac with what appears to be two is 8k. I am not suggesting it is all about credit, but something to think about.

with that said, there is more screen lag with primegrid.

5) Message boards : Number crunching : I don't know about ya'll but...... (Message 45491)
Posted 11 Jan 2011 by 55degrees
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and why not, lots of extra credit...
6) Message boards : News : an update on the credit issue (Message 45436)
Posted 8 Jan 2011 by 55degrees
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2x credit Problem has returned...
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Max Temps? (Message 45414)
Posted 6 Jan 2011 by 55degrees
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Especially if you enjoy constant frustration and arrogant admins who don't care about the people doing their work for them. Check out the forum before joining.


I'm going to have to call you on that cheap shot. The guys at GPUGRID have been great in the forum. I've been running GPUGRID plus MW for a few months in the same machine and have had very few problems. Normally, most project issues are the fault of the driver or BOINC, but there's nothing a rollback can't do.

The science they are doing is great, and it is a good community to be with.

Perhaps you can be more constructive by actually stating what kind of frustrations you were having? Following their instructions verbatim is the best way to go, including the swan_sync = 0 switch if you're in windows.

Anyway just my 2c


yeah, ok, right. HUDSON!!! ;) I am with beyond regarding their support, but my experience is now dated back when a ps3 was a nice cruncher...WAY back then. not once did they [do 'guys' = admin?] answer a question of mine and I can assure you it not about drivers and boinc--their flaky linux clients. after a very frustrating time over several months, I gave them every opportunity, I left thinking they were the worst admin in the community. when they did sing for whatever topic, it was so often a blow off. there were non-admin trying to help, of course, many helpful cruchers out there, but rarely the admin. however, based on your view, maybe they turned over a leaf and now up to minimum support. good for them! regardless, I do not consider beyond's view a cheap shot--the thought to check the forums is reasonable.

I am happy for their crunchers if the admin got with it, but the lasting impression, for me, is poor.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45271)
Posted 24 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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Whilst I believe the fuss will die down once the 6990 is out - and NVIDIA will have achieved their objective of bringing forward the 580 as an attempted 6990 spoiler, its only a short term event, the AMD machine will roll on once the 6990 is out, NVIDIA have nothing to respond with.


I agree, and with et apes, and kashi, that essentially amd is doing what they want and thinking long term. the 6970 might not decimate, but hold on. that the 6970 should not be compared to the 580 and wait for the 6990, etc. but I'm not sold the 6990 in-wait gets them anymore than boasting. the price for it if anything like the 5970 is out there, smaller audience.

I am not challenging what amd bring to the table, but how they serve it.

has anyone oc'd the 6970? what voltages possible, etc.?
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45227)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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Yes an additional delaying factor is possibly that they would wish to make 6990 OpenCL capable on both cores. If only newer drivers are available for 6990 and the OpenCL dual core bug is not fixed then 6990 may not be able to be used on MilkyWay.

I had a little try of PrimeGrid's OpenCL application. I mistakenly thought that the OpenCL bug on 5970 had been fixed. Didn't realise for some time that all the tasks completed and successfully reported on the second core were invalid after being checked by a wingman. When I came back to MilkyWay the same thing happened and I wasn't aware of it until I noticed a lower than usual daily total and a mass of pending tasks. Didn't know the OpenCL driver would muck up CAL applications as well. Will have to revert to an earlier driver when I get a chance. At least DNETC is working, still freezes occasionally of course on a 5970, but I doubt that will ever be fixed.



I was not aware of noted opencl driver issues with cal apps. wtf? f = flipper, for the forum police.

by freezes, do you mean the infuriating post gpu crunched WU then cpu hanging, that happens to just a lucky few? oh yeah, with shivers, I spent so much, WAY too much, time trying to figure out that mess; gave up. the wrapper folk have no idea and not getting help from distributed.net, so I agree it very likely never gets fixed.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45226)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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11) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45205)
Posted 22 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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I will be interested in how the 6990 tackles the 300W power restriction and the methods used to keep 2 large dies sufficiently cool. Wouldn't be surprised if 6990 introduction is delayed further or if stock is restricted when/if it is released.


kashi, great input; you make wonderful observations, and I look forward to the 6990 specs as well. unfortunately, if the hearsay is to be believed, expect the 6990 q1 to possibly even q2, 2011. yeeepeee. :|

thanks again for the input. good stuff.

oh yeah, it is a pity your electrical concerns; I think those are shared by a growing number. sad. for your sentiment: it is assured your work worthwhile, so enjoy your contribution.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45182)
Posted 21 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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kashi, very nice point considering how the international market might change the position of the cards, and I am certainly not looking in england or germany or australia or wherever to see how they compare for my position. zydor also makes great points. thanks.

not to belabor this too much but my point is a simple one: amd strove for a price point and for the money, at least in the us, have created a great card--but not the best single core gpu. why not leave that mid-market competition with the 6950s and especially 68xx? use the 6970 to go for the king of the single core competition? by lumping their 6970 in with all their other price point grabbers they have created a very good but not as good as gtx580 and with a price that is close enough to the 580 they are left head2head with a superior card. amd's and nvidia's best single core processor head2head. mistake? imo, yes, for amd apparently had no interest in that competition or the 6970 would better compete with the 580 functionally.

it is understood the 6990 will outperform everything to date but its assumed price separates it from this discussion. in short, what they wanted with the 6970 is jeopardized: go for less punch at a lessor price and take that price point.

nvidia might be desperate, but that card is disappearing in our markets just like 5870 did.

I am a fan of function and satisfied with amd--for now, but annoyed with what they decided to do with the 6970.

for the record, I am not dissing the 6970 functionally; it appears to be a great card, but time will tell if this great card gets amd what they seek. I expected more from amd's top single core card, and that I must taper. unfortunately.

again, thanks for the input.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45148)
Posted 20 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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5970 @850-1150
WU of type de_separation_17_3s_fix_1* : 130 s per gpu
WU of type de_separation_16_3s_fix_1* : 88 s per gpu
Temp (with Accelero) : GPU = 66, VRM = 75

6970 Crossfire @ 900-1400
WU of type de_separation_17_3s_fix_1* : 101 s per gpu
WU of type de_separation_16_3s_fix_1* : 67 s per gpu
Temp : GPU = 90, VRM = ??


I think two 5870s also beat a 5970, but the 5970 is still kick*ss.

gpu 90c is a tad hot? actually, that sounds familiar: I remember prior to installing aftermarket coolers (5870) my inference was that the reference fan was blowing the vrm heat across the core. if the 6970 layout similar to the 5870 then your vrms are probably cooler, closer to the fan, than the core gpu temp. 90c is tolerable as long as the vrms are not smoking.

recommend you not oc, if plans therein, until you work better cooling or turn up the fan or something. it will be nice to see 6970 oc times, as stock is 8 secs faster than an oc'd 5870, 17s WUs.

good info, thanks.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45145)
Posted 20 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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The 6990 when released circa Jan 2011 will be the top performing card, and then the whole AMD range will make sense.


zydor, I agree with some of the things you suggest especially long term favoring amd, but not so sure about amd's strategy with the 6970.

which price point to they think they take with the 6970? people dropping ~400 will drop ~500, but $700-800+ is for a much smaller crowd. therefore, the 580 and the 6970 are close enough in price to suggest similar price point and that leaves the 6970 outgunned. the 6990 price will most likely be way out there, heck, the 5970 still goes for 600-700+.

for the range $400-500, right now, nvidia with the gtx580 has done a number on amd. amd wants the price point, but if I am spending $400-500 I want the better card and the 6970 is not it.

I consider the 6970 next to the 580 a grand disappointment but I guess amd know what they are doing and how the 6990 will change our view of things. but if I had to buy a card today as many do for the holidays, it would be the 580 and it's out of stock at several places checked. part of that is timing, had a head start, but surely many are looking at the 580 vs 6970 and picking the better performer as noted in every review I have read.

the 6990 will most likely be the king down the road, so I wait to see if the 6970 take the sales numbers vs. the 580.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45126)
Posted 19 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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12/18/2010 2:43:14 AM ATI GPU 2: ATI unknown (CAL version 1.4.879, 2048MB, 3379 GFLOPS peak)
[stock 880 clock]
Busy weekend but I will be back to post more details and see how it overclocks. But it is readily apparent that it outperforms the 5870's admirably.
And (at least in the US) it's selling for the same as the 5870's so no first release price gouging which is refreshing!



if you get the time, please provide temps--gpu and vrms temps with voltage (especially oc'd voltage/temps). how noisy is it at load compared to the 5870 reference freight-train-like fan? reviews suggest amd has yet to satisfactorily address the fan noise. thanks.

and I agree the 6970 outperforms the 5870, but that was expected. I expected more of a smack down. amd is apparently more focused on beating nvidia at the price game, hence a better card same price though initial offerings suggest big price jumps already, and not producing the king of the single core cards. many, as did I, expected the 6970 to top the 580, so either nvidia has pulled a coup or amd's focus is not interested in top single core gpu. it is a great card for the money.

thanks again for the info.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45110)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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I am way stupid busy tonight but I did stop to install the 6970 in a board by itself with the new 12 drivers that came with and set everything to default for now.

273195614 205826898 17 Dec 2010 22:44:48 UTC 17 Dec 2010 23:36:48 UTC Completed and validated 69.07 4.66 0.03 213.76 MilkyWay@Home v0.23 (ati13ati)
273195036 205492265 17 Dec 2010 22:43:41 UTC 17 Dec 2010 23:34:34 UTC Completed and validated 69.09 4.55 0.03 213.76 MilkyWay@Home v0.23 (ati13ati)
273195035 205492262 17 Dec 2010 22:43:41 UTC 17 Dec 2010 23:35:41 UTC Completed and validated 69.07 4.53 0.03 213.76 MilkyWay@Home v0.23 (ati13ati)
273194486 205826236 17 Dec 2010 22:42:34 UTC 17 Dec 2010 23:32:20 UTC Completed and validated 102.21 6.94 0.04 320.63 MilkyWay@Home v0.23 (ati13ati)
273194477 205826227 17 Dec 2010 22:42:34 UTC 17 Dec 2010 23:33:27 UTC Completed and validated 102.10 7.17 0.04 320.63 MilkyWay@Home v0.23 (ati13ati)

Yeah I think I'll get 7 more,lol


considering not oc'd, not bad times. I usually run two concurrent so had no idea how the 5870 compared.

oc'd 5870 1 WU per

273609315 206137864 18 Dec 2010 12:57:49 UTC 18 Dec 2010 13:02:44 UTC Completed and validated 110.04 9.20 0.06 320.63 Anonymous platform
273609314 206137863 18 Dec 2010 12:57:49 UTC 18 Dec 2010 13:02:44 UTC Completed and validated 110.04 9.53 0.06 320.63 Anonymous platform
273609313 206137862 18 Dec 2010 12:57:49 UTC 18 Dec 2010 13:04:39 UTC Completed and validated 110.05 9.02 0.05 320.63 Anonymous platform
273609312 206137861 18 Dec 2010 12:57:49 UTC 18 Dec 2010 13:00:55 UTC Completed and validated 110.27 9.24 0.06 320.63 Anonymous platform
273609311 206137860 18 Dec 2010 12:57:49 UTC 18 Dec 2010 13:00:55 UTC Completed and validated 110.27 9.30 0.06 320.63 Anonymous platform
273609310 206137859 18 Dec 2010 12:57:49 UTC 18 Dec 2010 13:04:39 UTC Completed and validated 110.05 9.24 0.06 320.63 Anonymous platform

I did not get the shorter WUs for the test.

thanks for the info cncguru.


17) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 45043)
Posted 15 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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from one review:
BOINC estimated HD 6970 w/o OCing in 3307 GFLOPS. It take 70 secs approx to crunch one MilkyWay@Home WU

AFAIK, 5870 take 90-100 secs to do so, so it's 30% approx boost. not that bad.



maybe so, but 6970 reviews are generally not looking good next to the competition. here is a nice comparison, though the link at the not-so-good conclusion: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6970/33.html

not impressed by the 6970 as upgrade material, for me, from a 5870, so will be interesting how the 6990 measures up to the 5970. unfortunately, word has it release q1 or possibly q2, 2011.


EDIT: kitguru claim the 6970 spanks the 5870 [paraphrased], actually, they pose, "The HD6970 eats the HD5870 for breakfast." I don't see it minus the additions like hd3d and 1.4a.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/his-hd6970-cfx-graphics-card-review/25/
18) Message boards : News : an update on the credit issue (Message 44824)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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YO!, Travis, time to silence that pesky assimilator's doppelganger. come on. this is getting ridiculous.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 44775)
Posted 7 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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Good news folks, the upcoming 6950 and 6970's will be available on November 8 with a revised reduction in prices to compete with Nvidia.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-karti/haberleri/amd-radeon-hd-6900-serisi-ekran-kartlarini-8-aralikta-lanse-edecek.htm



not sure how to take your post: as a smack at amd for their ongoing whatever issues pushing back the release or that you are in fact the dude of the big lebowski and not sure what day, or month for that matter, it is. ;) nov.8th? ok, maybe a typo.

I choose to take it as a smack at amd and I think it deserved. per amd the 6990 might not be out until q2 2011. ridiculous. besides, I have seen numerous release dates for the 6970 and just read of another, 13 dec.

I hope you are not the dude and your post a typo, not a smack, and the cards on the shelves tomorrow.

goodygumdrops.


I meant the December 8. Anyone with a logic could understand that. The source is very reliable and just wait for the tomorrow and you'll see.


anyone with logic? understand? oh mercy. ok, so you fat fingered november vs december? no biggy. but I believe nov8 was one of many posed release dates, and logic is certainly intertwined in my response considering what is understood therein. frankly, logic is it at the core of my response that and a touch of humor.

as I said, I hope you are correct though I am more interested in the 6990.

EDIT: I somehow missed your white russian addition. I hope you understand I was having fun. joking in forums has bitten me several times. anyway, the dude abides. :)
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Upcoming Cayman architecture. (Message 44772)
Posted 7 Dec 2010 by 55degrees
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Good news folks, the upcoming 6950 and 6970's will be available on November 8 with a revised reduction in prices to compete with Nvidia.

http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-karti/haberleri/amd-radeon-hd-6900-serisi-ekran-kartlarini-8-aralikta-lanse-edecek.htm



not sure how to take your post: as a smack at amd for their ongoing whatever issues pushing back the release or that you are in fact the dude of the big lebowski and not sure what day, or month for that matter, it is. ;) nov.8th? ok, maybe a typo.

I choose to take it as a smack at amd and I think it deserved. per amd the 6990 might not be out until q2 2011. ridiculous. besides, I have seen numerous release dates for the 6970 and just read of another, 13 dec.

I hope you are not the dude and your post a typo, not a smack, and the cards on the shelves tomorrow.

goodygumdrops.


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