I noticed on my alternate PC I have setup that the 3870 in it no longer gets WUs for MilkyWay. It tells me in the event log Catalyst driver version is not OK for CAL application with this GPU / R600 does not support OpenCL.

I know the 3870 supports double precision operations and worked with MilkyWay for years. Was it dropped due to MilkyWay or due to new drivers from AMD? Is there any way I can get this card working for the project, or is it time to retire it?

Also, I hear the 7970M sucks for this but will it ever be supported? I notice it seems to think it is, but it continually gets computation errors.

for me it workes since opencl (witch 38xx cards dont have) is a must on MW with an app info file and the old 0.82. There was a long time now 3850/70 dont worked again on MW, but since some days it workes for me again after some bugs are killed.

But graphiccard hangs again since some days cos it got some old not functional (for 38xx cards) WUs. So i must cancel them on monday. The longer MW runs now with the new batches i think the more it must run normal again on 38xx.

Official(!) it is not supported anymore for cruncher without app info files.

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The ATI CAL apps are still listed on the Applications Page, so actually a HD3800 series card should get them.

However the 64-bit app does not seem to work with the current WUs, so you have to use the 32-bit one, I have posted instructions including a working app_info file in the news thread.

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The ATI CAL apps are still listed on the Applications Page, so actually a HD3800 series card should get them.

However the 64-bit app does not seem to work with the current WUs, so you have to use the 32-bit one, I have posted instructions including a working app_info file in the news thread.

I also still have the 32-bit builds available on my site.
http://www.arkayn.us/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=cat6

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Thanks guys, I think I got my old 3870 cruching again! The only issue is it seems to be running 2 WU's at a time... and I only have one card. So far so good though, will see if any of these get credited/complete...

The only issue is it seems to be running 2 WU's at a time... and I only have one card.

That's not an issue, that increases your throughput while the higher than default values for frequency and pooling mode keep the screen responsive. I see you are using the same values as me on my HD3850 (which is a bit slower), if you don't have any issues with screen responsiveness, you might want to try to decrease the value for gpu-target-frequency and see if it's still OK for you. My GPU is most of the time at 99% and I hardly notice anything.

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I currently run a 5830 on XP64, I have an empty slot and a 3850 laying around, could I run them together? Or since the 3850 requires a 32-bit app and a app_info file, would that mess up the 5830 or slow it down? Or can I interdependently change the settings and apps so they both crunch at max efficiency?

I currently run a 5830 on XP64, I have an empty slot and a 3850 laying around, could I run them together? Or since the 3850 requires a 32-bit app and a app_info file, would that mess up the 5830 or slow it down? Or can I interdependently change the settings and apps so they both crunch at max efficiency?

I don't think it's possible to assign different apps to the GPUs (except for running 2 BOINC clients on one machine), but the 5830 can run the CAL app. I can't tell you what performance it has compared with the OpenCL app, you'll have to try, if your monitor is attached to the 5830, you can than adjust the cmd parameters to this card and don't need to care, if the 3850 is pushed to the limit.

Your 5830 makes 1 WU in ~200 seconds, my 3850 2 WUs in ~800 seconds, so it's about half as fast. So I'd say definitely worth a try (if your PSU can take it). First you should try, how the CAL app runs on your 5830, if it's "OK", add the other card and see how that works.

Don't be surprised, if you see an error every 100-200 WUs with the CAL app, it has never run perfectly, the current WUs apparently don't make it better.

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I installed my HD 3870 gfx card, dwnloaded the .082api (???) and the appinfo file and followed the directions and put both in the proper folder. Restarted boinc and it deleted all my current cpu units and it refuses to get any more for my gfx card.

What am I doing wrong?


PS I even reset the project to no avail... :(

Here is my computer specs http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=444185

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Additional info from boinc client at start up:

9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | No config file found - using defaults
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 7.0.28 for windows_intelx86
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/7.25.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1 zlib/1.2.6
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Data directory: E:\BOINC\Data
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Running under account xxxxxxxx
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Processor: 4 AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor [Family 16 Model 4 Stepping 3]
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Processor: 512.00 KB cache
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt page1gb rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows Vista: Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 6.73 GB virtual
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Disk: 465.75 GB total, 147.42 GB free
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Local time is UTC -4 hours
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 3800 (RV670) (CAL version 1.4.1720, 512MB, 480MB available, 995 GFLOPS peak)
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | Milkyway@Home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | Einstein@Home | URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 5140579; resource share 100
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | Milkyway@Home | URL http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/; Computer ID 444185; resource share 100
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | Milkyway@Home | General prefs: from Milkyway@Home (last modified 02-Sep-2012 09:08:12)
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | Milkyway@Home | Computer location: home
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | General prefs: using separate prefs for home
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Reading preferences override file
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Preferences:
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | max memory usage when active: 1663.11MB
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | max memory usage when idle: 2993.60MB
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | max disk usage: 100.00GB
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | max CPUs used: 2
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | suspend work if non-BOINC CPU load exceeds 25 %
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
9/2/2012 10:21:47 AM | | Not using a proxy

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Post the messages for the work request. Do you have GPU processing enabled in your web preferences (in the venue of this computer)?

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The answers are doubled because I have the view set to side by side for default and home. I don't see anywhere to say yes or no to GPu.. It used to be there before.

I have 2 computers and that 3870 is going to be allowed to run GPU work but my other computer will not.

Suspend work while computer is on battery power?
Matters only for portable computers yes yes --- ---
Suspend work while computer is in use? no no --- ---
Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?
Enforced by version 6.6.21+ yes yes --- ---
'In use' means mouse/keyboard activity in last 3 minutes 3 minutes --- ---
Suspend work if no mouse/keyboard activity in last
Needed to enter low-power mode on some computers --- minutes --- minutes --- ---
Suspend work when non-BOINC CPU usage is above
0 means no restriction
Enforced by version 6.10.30+ 25% 25% --- ---
Do work only between the hours of
No restriction if equal --- --- --- ---
Leave tasks in memory while suspended?
Suspended tasks will consume swap space if 'yes' no no --- ---
Switch between tasks every
Recommended: 60 minutes 60 minutes 60 minutes --- ---
On multiprocessors, use at most 2 processors 2 processors --- ---
On multiprocessors, use at most
Enforced by version 6.1+ 50% of the processors 50% of the processors --- ---
Use at most
Can be used to reduce CPU heat 100% of CPU time 100% of CPU time --- ---
Disk and memory usage Default Home School Work

Disk: use at most 100 GB 100 GB --- ---
Disk: leave free at least
Values smaller than 0.001 are ignored 0.1 GB 0.001 GB --- ---
Disk: use at most 50% of total 50% of total --- ---
Tasks checkpoint to disk at most every 60 seconds 60 seconds --- ---
Swap space: use at most 75% of total 75% of total --- ---
Memory: when computer is in use, use at most 50% of total 50% of total --- ---
Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most 90% of total 90% of total --- ---
Network usage Default Home School Work

Maintain enough tasks to keep busy for at least
(max 10 days). 1 days 1 days --- ---
... and up to an additional 1 days 1 days --- ---
Confirm before connecting to Internet?
Matters only if you have a modem, ISDN or VPN connection no no --- ---
Disconnect when done?
Matters only if you have a modem, ISDN or VPN connection yes no --- ---
Maximum download rate: --- Kbytes/sec --- Kbytes/sec --- ---
Maximum upload rate: --- Kbytes/sec --- Kbytes/sec --- ---
Use network only between the hours of --- --- --- ---
Transfer at most
Enforced by version 6.10.46+ --- Mbytes every --- days --- Mbytes every --- days --- ---
Skip image file verification?
Check this ONLY if your Internet provider modifies image files (UMTS does this, for example). Skipping verification reduces the security of BOINC. no no

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This is what I have for that specific computer.... I looked at the "Tools" section in Boinc under preferences and I don't have anything there as I cleared what I had to start with because I had it set to 50% of processors because I didn't want my main system to run all 4 cores because I have to work with it and seeing the default and Home settings to 50% processors made sure that my main system wasn't affected and I manually did the one on the NAS unit to 100% so all 4 cores were running. When I saw that the 3870 was able to do the units I pulled it out of the closet and want to see what it does.


Domain name NAS-PC
Local Standard Time UTC -4 hours
Name NAS-PC
Created 1 May 2012 | 15:59:16 UTC
Total credit 2,174,740
Average credit 6,159.53
Cross project credit
CPU type AuthenticAMD
AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor [Family 16 Model 4 Stepping 3]
Number of processors 4
Coprocessors AMD ATI Radeon HD 3800 (RV670) (512MB) driver: 1.4.1720
Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista
Ultimate x86 Edition, Service Pack 2, (06.00.6002.00)
BOINC version 7.0.28
Memory 3326.22 MB
Cache 512 KB
Swap space 6886.95 MB
Total disk space 465.75 GB
Free Disk Space 147.42 GB
Measured floating point speed 3222.57 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 6999.46 million ops/sec
Average upload rate 85.01 KB/sec
Average download rate 384.3 KB/sec
Average turnaround time 0.2 days
Application details Show
Tasks 85
Number of times client has contacted server 576
Last time contacted server 2 Sep 2012 | 14:20:36 UTC
% of time BOINC is running 90.4438 %
While BOINC running, % of time host has an Internet connection 99.9865 %
While BOINC running, % of time work is allowed 99.9274 %
Task duration correction factor 1

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The answers are doubled because I have the view set to side by side for default and home. I don't see anywhere to say yes or no to GPu.. It used to be there before.

You are in BOINC preferences and not project preferences.
http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/prefs.php?subset=project

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okay I'm now getting workunits.. The first 3 have been inconclusive. Is that normal? Also since I am using the .082 app, do I really need to use the anon platform? I've seen other 3870's and they show the milkyway 082 (ati14ati) application.

Guess I know the answer to that question already. Moved the anon file out and *boom* all my workunits disappeared. Its back and now I pay the price for stupidity and hope to get more workunits soon :(

Thanks for all your help....

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I have straightened out my mess and I'm running with my 3870. Question I have now is it is running 1 wu and taking about 3 or 4 mintues. (I am not complaining since on the CPU it was 2 hours) However, I was wondering if there is a way or if it is even possible on this card to run at least 2 at a time. I don't know much about all this gpu stuff and would really appreciate a little help. I have 2 snapshots that I took from GPU-Z so that you can see what card I have and have a better idea of what I am able to do. The other shows the temp of 74 - 75C which is about the temp the card used to run when I was playing one of my Elder Scrolls games "Oblivion" .. I dont' know if I should be concerned or if this will be a limiting factor as to running 2 wu's at the same time.




Thanks everyone for all the help you have been on this

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okay I'm now getting workunits.. The first 3 have been inconclusive. Is that normal? Also since I am using the .082 app, do I really need to use the anon platform? I've seen other 3870's and they show the milkyway 082 (ati14ati) application.

Guess I know the answer to that question already. Moved the anon file out and *boom* all my workunits disappeared. Its back and now I pay the price for stupidity and hope to get more workunits soon :(

Sometimes it works, but not always, so I'd stay with anonymous platform, you can also increase your throughput with that.

Question I have now is it is running 1 wu and taking about 3 or 4 mintues. (I am not complaining since on the CPU it was 2 hours) However, I was wondering if there is a way or if it is even possible on this card to run at least 2 at a time.

You can try my app_info to start with:

<app_info>
 <app>
  <name>milkyway</name>
  <user_friendly_name>MilkyWay@Home</user_friendly_name>
 </app>
 <file_info>
  <name>milkyway_separation_0.82_windows_x86_64__ati14.exe</name>
  <executable/>
 </file_info>
 <app_version>
  <app_name>milkyway</app_name>
  <version_num>82</version_num>
  <avg_ncpus>0.05</avg_ncpus>
  <max_ncpus>0.05</max_ncpus>
  <plan_class>ati14ati</plan_class>
  <coproc>
   <type>ATI</type>
   <count>0.50</count>
  </coproc>
  <cmdline>--gpu-target-frequency 120 --gpu-polling-mode 4 --gpu-disable-checkpointing</cmdline>
  <file_ref>
   <file_name>milkyway_separation_0.82_windows_x86_64__ati14.exe</file_name>
   <main_program/>
  </file_ref>
 </app_version>
</app_info>

I use it for my HD3850, for your card you should be able to decrase --gpu-target-frequency without that the screen lag gets annoying. The optimal value you'll have to find yourself, just see if the screen lag is still acceptable for you and if further decrease of the frequency improves the runtimes.

I also disabled checkpointing, saves some time any CPU cycles, but you should keep that part only if your GPU is always in use and not only when idle.

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Ell I've sort of left everything alone for right now and according to boinc status since the update yesterday I've hitting 32,000+ credit :0

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Ell I've sort of left everything alone for right now and according to boinc status since the update yesterday I've hitting 32,000+ credit :0

How are you making a 5700 work here?! I seem to have the same gpu's you do but my 5770's won't work here!

How are you making a 5700 work here?! I seem to have the same gpu's you do but my 5770's won't work here!

He don't use it for Milkyway, all tasks are done by the CPU on this host.

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