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1) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5528)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Unfortunately, there will always be those...

But let's look on the bright side of life and hope things go right. :)

Have a good day ladies and gentlemen.

Distro OUT!
2) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5526)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Sandro, that is not what is being said and you know it. Stop trying to cause arguments and start the problems again. Things are settling down here. Why try so hard to make them worse? We don't want the optimised app at all. We want the project admins to do their best with the app they have and the current optimised app to go away. The current official app shouldn't be replaced in this manner, but it should be fixed. Then we are all on a level playing field. That is quite simple to understand.

The destruction of the project was exactly what zed demanded. That would happen if we would just release the binary to the public, quite simple.

If I understand you right, you don't want optimized apps, but you want the official app improved. Well, thats's exactly what we want. The project was somehow reluctant to improve the app in the last months. Now it appears they rethink their approach. Do you think that this would have happened if we just sat on our hands? I don't think so. Some action was (and still is) needed to get or keep things in motion.

A level playing field is important of course, but it can not be the excuse for wasting 99% of our CPU cycles. The level playing field was the very reason to create a new teamless account for this purpose. That way, no individual or team gets an unfair advantage. You should recognize this.


You never stop twisting words do you. I never said anything about destroying the project. Read 'my' posts and reply to me. Not someone elses. Or would you like me to read Sandros and accuse you of saying the things he said? If you want a sensible outcome, have a sensible conversation or don't bother replying to me. I have no time for this stupidity. :(
3) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5522)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Then we are all on a level playing field.

again, this shows that you are not interested in the project itselfs, you just want others beeing as capable as you.
The project is able to make 100x more science in the same time, so a optimized app it actually good for them. milksaop is a teamless cruncher and he is aware that his account ist a "throw-away"-account, so no team or single cruncher should be threatenend

Go play in someone elses sandbox and stop causing trouble.

speaking about sandboxes, thats exact the image i have in mind when i read your and your fellows posts. a crying baby in a sandbox cause another have a bigger shovel than you.


The whole time I've been posting I've been trying to stop the arguments, get the app fixed so everyone can crunch more for the project. Everyone, not just one or two. There is nothing wrong with wanting credits. Some crunch for the science and some for the credits. Some for both. Nothing wrong with any of that. But they should all have the same good app. The concept isn't rocket science. Read it with an open mind and stop looking for an argument.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5520)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan

People who use a weapon and threaten to continue using that weapon till they get what they want are called terrorists. This optimised app is being used in the same manner to achieve one persons or a small groups objectives.


You are correct, but it is not "cheating". The code is open source and you can get a copy and roll your own version of it too.

I love how I'm getting lumped in with "them" in this "us vs. them" thing too. BOTH groups are BOTH wrong in some of their approaches to the issue.

Where you and I will join together is if they start releasing the binary to people.

I just like happy endings. A happy ending here would be great for everyone.


Agreed, but the discussion to date has been how unfair it is that they're getting as many credits as they are and allegations of "cheating". They are not "cheating". They are teetering on the edge of what you are saying about holding the project hostage with some of their more recent posts (after I started objecting to this thread), and I'll address that in a little bit today. Need to get dressed and out the door at the moment...


I hope you don't think I'm lumping you in with 'them'. I speak to you, as you. Them as 'them'. While we may disagree on some points, you are right, we agree on where it should lead. Have a good day.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5519)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Sandro, that is not what is being said and you know it. Stop trying to cause arguments and start the problems again. Things are settling down here. Why try so hard to make them worse? We don't want the optimised app at all. We want the project admins to do their best with the app they have and the current optimised app to go away. The current official app shouldn't be replaced in this manner, but it should be fixed. Then we are all on a level playing field. That is quite simple to understand. Go play in someone elses sandbox and stop causing trouble.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5514)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Seriously, you should have some arguments against my version of the happy end.


No I shouldn't. I'm not arguing. Just stating an opinion.

Or you could answer the question if you (your team) wants the stock app to be improved or just want to avoid any disturbance to the project potentially affecting the high credit level here as suggested by the posts of Brian.


I could, I could, but I won't as I'm trying not to be like that. :)

If there is improvement to be made in the app, I'm ok with that. I'm also ok with avoiding disturbance to the peace and quiet we used to enjoy here. Both should be able to be achieved in conjunction with each other instead of what has happened here lately. I like peace, quiet and credits. :)
7) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5510)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
I never mentioned anyones spelling.

Move on? Great idea. We'll follow you Oh Great Leader. :)
8) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5507)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
That was the reason for the reading comprehension teasing.


Like the way you say 'Somehow it shows the state of your mind that you compare us with terrorists.' ???

Reading comprehension certainly would help here. I compared your actions, not you.

If all you are going to do is sift through everyones posts looking for something to make childish taunts about then good luck to you. You may have a great app, but you aren't doing yourself or your 'quest' any favours by acting in this manner.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5504)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
You idealist you!! :)

We live in hope.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : I think you made your point !! (Message 5502)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Milksop not only has an opinion and states it, but uses his app to beat everybody over the head with it and then doesn't like somebody else having an opinion about his actions. Not cool.

The admins. They seem to be invisible or on holidays and nobody knows what is going on. Not cool.

Brian, it would be good if people used that red x wouldn't it? Then hopefully you'd have the only opinion in the thread and nobody standing up to you. What a wonderful solution. You have your opinion and state it. Good for you. You don't like other peoples opinions and state that too. Also, good for you. You say 'tough' to those who don't like your opinion and then you make up fanciful excuses for why other people oppose you. Not cool.

Now, before you get your magnifying glass out to go looking for reasons as to why I'm now having a say, I will give you a hand. I'm the Team Founder of Cruncher Junkies. Do I have a top 10 or even top 20 position to defend? No. I'm way down around 72nd place. Does our team have a position that is worth worrying about to the extent that you claim? No. I wonder what my reason could be then? Doesn't matter as you are very good at inventing them for us. So while you go off making up fairy stories for everyones enjoyment I'll go in another direction.

People who use a weapon and threaten to continue using that weapon till they get what they want are called terrorists. This optimised app is being used in the same manner to achieve one persons or a small groups objectives. Most of the world knows that it doesn't pay to negotiate with terrorists and in the same way it would be wrong of the project admins to negotiate with them until this action ceases. Therefore I call for them to cease and continue talks with the admins. I call upon the admins to allow these talks to continue and I also call upon the rest of the posters to give them some time to think this over and see what happens. Some mature behaviour would go a long way to making this the fun project it used to be.

I'd like to see one of you make the first move publicly. Here. In this forum, and hopefully before any more damage is done.

Is this likely? Unfortunately not. But I live in hope.

Just in case you haven't come up with my reason (or your version of it) for posting, I'll tell you. I just like happy endings. A happy ending here would be great for everyone. There is nothing for you to read between the lines. There's no big secret or a team conspiracy like you seem to want to imply. No jealousy. No animosity. The only benefit for me/us is to see this stop and 'everyone' be able to get on with crunching for Milkyway the way they should be. How about it? Are you guys up to it?
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error with SuSE11.0 (Message 4006)
Posted 6 Jul 2008 by Profile DistroMan
Working here with boinc 5.10.45

Also, I know it's a silly question, but just in case. Are you using 64bit, cause that's a 64bit file.
12) Message boards : Number crunching : No new WU (Message 3965)
Posted 30 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
The Toilet must need Flushing again, it seems everything has slowed down, Uploads & Downloads are really slooooooowwwwwwwwww ... :)


Looks left, looks right.

Shhhhhh! At least it's moving. :)
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error with SuSE11.0 (Message 3963)
Posted 30 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan


yeah, problem solved :)
btw, i've added a little feature to the app as well...

if you look at the your results you'll see something like that now. ;)

<core_client_version>6.3.4</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> Processor Information: Model: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 2.40 GHz Package: 4 Cores Processor Caches: L1 code cache, 32 KB L1 data cache, 32 KB L2 combined cache, 4 MB Processor Features: 64bit simd [x86] cmov mmx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx lm lahf_lm tm tm2 eist nx </stderr_txt> ]]>



Working just fine here too. Can you tell us what the real problem was? and will it be included in the next update?
14) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error with SuSE11.0 (Message 3952)
Posted 29 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan

I just wish I understood how to do that. Could you give me a little detail? I'm desperate to get back to MW. :)


You would need to install the 32-bit version of boinc to get it working atm.

Harald


Erk! But I have to do Mw. I just HAVE to. :)

It's soooooooo slow though.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error with SuSE11.0 (Message 3949)
Posted 29 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
And here I sit with exactly the same problem hoping that someone with a clue can help. :)


I have renamed the 32bit-version of astronomy to the 64bit version and it is running. The 32bit version is linked statically, and the 64bit version is linked dynamically. It should be recompiled to statically to avoid those problems.

Harald


I just wish I understood how to do that. Could you give me a little detail? I'm desperate to get back to MW. :)
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Computation Error with SuSE11.0 (Message 3943)
Posted 27 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
And here I sit with exactly the same problem hoping that someone with a clue can help. :)
17) Message boards : Number crunching : bad wus in the database (Message 3858)
Posted 19 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
-- which means you'll be getting credit on a timely fashion and not losing out on any.


Looks like all pending is cleared but without credits being awarded. :(
18) Message boards : Number crunching : bad wus in the database (Message 3843)
Posted 19 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
there were some bad WUs in the database -- i had to remove all gs_373282. right now the server says there are many available WUs to download, so let me know if you're getting these and they're working.

thanks!


All seems fine here. 3737's are running down and I'm filling up with 602's. Thanks for the info and the time spent getting it up again. It is appreciated.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : No new WU (Message 3824)
Posted 18 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
I got "one". :)
20) Message boards : Number crunching : new search (Message 3731)
Posted 12 Jun 2008 by Profile DistroMan
I've had a couple of comp errors and some that have gone thru and validated.



Nothing but the 600's here and no problems as yet. Working fine.


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