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Message 29250 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 15:17:27 UTC

Is Pluto a planet after all?



New Scientist wrote:
The decision caused outrage among many members of the public who had grown up with nine planets, and among some astronomers who pointed out that only 4 per cent of the IAU's 10,000 members took part in the vote. The governors of Illinois saw the decision as a snub to Pluto's discoverer, Clyde Tombaugh, who was born in the state.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327181.600-is-pluto-a-planet-after-all.html

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Message 29262 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 22:14:52 UTC

Is Pluto a planet after all?


Yes, of course it is, it always has been and always will be. The IAU are a bunch of clowns, nobody takes them seriously.
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Message 29266 - Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 22:44:40 UTC

It is still a planet...and an interesting destination.
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Message 29274 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 0:50:58 UTC - in response to Message 29266.  
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It is still a planet...and an interesting destination.


When are you leaving Dan..? ;-)
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Message 29276 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 1:08:52 UTC - in response to Message 29274.  

It is still a planet...and an interesting destination.


When are you leaving Dan..? ;-)

As soon as my ship comes in.
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Message 29278 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 1:29:27 UTC

I've said it before, somewhere else. It's not a planet.
Look up the evolution of definitions surrounding terms in calculus and you'll see why a change in definitions, and thus a classification of Pluto, does not bother me.
The character of that put forth the revision does not matter; what matters is the ability of the definitions to adequately describe what is observed and further communication between fellow astronomers. It is not to satisfy a discoverer, a state's governor, Disney etc. ... .
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Message 29279 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 1:55:20 UTC - in response to Message 29276.  

It is still a planet...and an interesting destination.


When are you leaving Dan..? ;-)

As soon as my ship comes in.

I think the ship heading to Pluto took off already. In fact It's been gone since 2006 according to the Wiki article Here, Maybe You could catch It with a Saturn V, But I hear You might need a time machine to get on one. :D


Space Launch Complex 41
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(Jan 19th, 2006)


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Message 29284 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 6:59:16 UTC - in response to Message 29279.  

Maybe You could catch It with a Saturn V ........




I read somewhere that they could not even build a Saturn V today.
Something about the blueprints for it being locked away in an ancient computer
format that they can no longer access.

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Message 29285 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 7:33:54 UTC

You bet Uranis Pluto is a planet.


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Message 29286 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 7:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 29284.  

Maybe You could catch It with a Saturn V ........




I read somewhere that they could not even build a Saturn V today.
Something about the blueprints for it being locked away in an ancient computer
format that they can no longer access.

Regards, Bill


Actually the problem is Apollo systems are old 60's technology and Boeing isn't setup or funded to reverse engineer the old stuff made for NASA back then, On the Saturn V Blueprints, Their on microfilm at the Marshall Space Flight Center according to space.com. And as such their quite readable, The electronics from back then would need massive updating and that could be expensive too, I'd trust NASA.

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Message 29288 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 9:46:59 UTC - in response to Message 29286.  


Actually the problem is Apollo systems are old 60's technology ......



Thanks for that Space.com link. Very interesting !

I still say that, if they can produce the microfilm and,

we get the German’s to create a clone of Wernher von Braun.

Remember ‘The Boy’s from Brazil ?

We will be able to recreate the mighty Saturn V !


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Message 29290 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 10:09:05 UTC

BTW : I hereby declare that ‘Jupiter’ is not a planet.

My proclamation of course carries about as much weight

as these 4 percent idiots from the IAU regarding Pluto.

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Message 29291 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 10:11:40 UTC - in response to Message 29288.  


Actually the problem is Apollo systems are old 60's technology ......



Thanks for that Space.com link. Very interesting !

I still say that, if they can produce the microfilm and,

we get the German’s to create a clone of Wernher von Braun.

Remember ‘The Boy’s from Brazil ?

We will be able to recreate the mighty Saturn V !


Regards, Bill


Wernher wasn't the only one, Besides It was only a movie(fiction) and besides Human Cloning in the US is illegal to do and besides any clones would be blank templates without the same experiences and so their memories would be different and so they'd be no better than any other child and so therefore cloning somebody who's dead makes no sense at all.

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Message 29293 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 11:15:17 UTC - in response to Message 29278.  

I've said it before, somewhere else. It's not a planet.
Look up the evolution of definitions surrounding terms in calculus and you'll see why a change in definitions, and thus a classification of Pluto, does not bother me.
The character of that put forth the revision does not matter; what matters is the ability of the definitions to adequately describe what is observed and further communication between fellow astronomers. It is not to satisfy a discoverer, a state's governor, Disney etc. ... .


Hi Sarge, hope you are well! Look, generation after generation have grown up being taught that Pluto is a planet, and hundreds of thousands of text books are in print saying just that. OK, so officially by the rules, some jobs worth has declared that ooops, sorry chaps, it actually isn't quite a planet after all.

So what? Who gives a damn? It is the will of the worlds people that it remains classified as a planet. If within the rarified atmosphere of the scientific community they wish to refer to it as something else for their day to day business that is their prerogative.

I am not decrying scientific advances for one moment, but there comes a time when it is sensible to be pragmatic about things.
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Message 29306 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 15:20:47 UTC


You can call it what you like, as I'm sure the residents of Pluto call our planet what they like :p


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Message 29309 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 16:33:09 UTC - in response to Message 29306.  
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You can call it what you like, as I'm sure the residents of Pluto call our planet what they like :p

Yeah the snowmen live out there I hear. ;)

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Message 29313 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 17:48:20 UTC

It's a planet...or it's round sphere in space far too large to fit in your garage.
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Message 29315 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 17:54:58 UTC - in response to Message 29313.  

It's a planet...or it's round sphere in space far too large to fit in your garage.

Basically It may be one heck of a dirty(and not so little) snowball. :D

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Message 29322 - Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 21:36:57 UTC
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Pluto, formal designation 134340 Pluto, is the second-largest known dwarf planet in the Solar System (after Eris) and the tenth-largest body observed directly orbiting the Sun. Originally classified as a planet, Pluto is now considered the largest member of a distinct population called the Kuiper belt.

Like other members of the Kuiper belt, Pluto is composed primarily of rock and ice and is relatively small: approximately a fifth the mass of the Earth's Moon and a third its volume. It has an eccentric and highly inclined orbit that takes it from 30 to 49 AU (4.4–7.4 billion km) from the Sun. This causes Pluto periodically to come closer to the Sun than Neptune.

Pluto and its largest moon, Charon, are sometimes treated together as a binary system because the barycentre of their orbits does not lie within either body.The International Astronomical Union (IAU) {Boo hiss !!} has yet to formalise a definition for binary dwarf planets, and until it passes such a ruling, Charon is classified as a moon of Pluto. Pluto has two known smaller moons, Nix and Hydra, discovered in 2005. Like Uranus, Pluto rotates on its "side" relative to its orbital plane, and the Pluto-Charon system does also.
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Message 29326 - Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 0:03:28 UTC - in response to Message 29322.  

Motion to {Boo hiss !!} against the (IAU) has been proposed, Any seconds? :D

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