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Message 30702 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 21:32:52 UTC - in response to Message 30700.  

According to recent stats MW was biggest credit generator, so my assumption has some sence ;)
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Message 30705 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 21:57:44 UTC - in response to Message 30702.  
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According to recent stats MW was biggest credit generator, so my assumption has some sence ;)

The top 107th BOINC cruncher does not crunch MW. If my credits are cut, and theirs is not because they don't crunch MW, then they will gain on me and my efforts are thus thwarted by the MW cuts.

Now, add that to all the others who don't crunch MW and who are now taking advantage of my (and your) thwarted efforts...

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Message 30707 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 22:05:55 UTC

I would suggest to stop bitching about the lower credits. Just use the new 0.20 ATI version and your credits/day will be back to the values before the reduction or maybe even slightly higher :D

MW can afford to have "parity" with SETI ;)
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Message 30708 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 22:12:07 UTC - in response to Message 30705.  

Well, ok, I didn't check top 100 actually so I'm wrong in that part.
Still think that separate metric for each project would be much better thing.
It enables much more fair competition w/o such troubles that discussed in this thread...
Wish you to be in top 100 (or top 10, who knows ;) ) among MW crunchers :) Total credits just fiction.
They were changed many times in SETI project , they changed here and do doubts will be changed somewhere else...

The main purpose for enabling credits at all was to add some competition, sporting interest and fun.

Current credit management contradicts this purpose IMHO. And no only in MW.
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Message 30709 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 22:14:54 UTC - in response to Message 30707.  

I would suggest to stop bitching about the lower credits. Just use the new 0.20 ATI version and your credits/day will be back to the values before the reduction or maybe even slightly higher :D

MW can afford to have "parity" with SETI ;)


Downloading! :D
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Message 30711 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 22:25:48 UTC
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And I repeat - SSDD

Just got to look back at all the 100s (1000s?) of forum posts about credit here @ MW. Trav decides that the project is getting too much flak from DA & the other BOINC projects, so he trims the credits by 1/3.

Old story, same conclusion. At the end of the day, as has already been said here, it's impossible to compare one project's credits to another's. Chalk and cheese!

The only thing that gets me a little riled up, is the lack of discussion BEFORE the credit adjustment. As Ice says, he's got personal goals based on this project, and it's US who actually do the crunching - therefore, why doesn't the admin here give us space to express OUR opinions before making important decisions?

I know this has all been talked about many times. It just seems as though it's fallen on deaf ears...

Just my 2 EuroCents....
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Message 30713 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 22:27:33 UTC
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Double post - sorry
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Message 30718 - Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 22:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 30711.  

The only thing that gets me a little riled up, is the lack of discussion BEFORE the credit adjustment.

If that is any relief to you, I have discussed with Travis about that reduction. I think it is pure concidence that the reduction is completely compensated by the new ATI version ;)

So what is the result? One can now point every cross project parity fanatic to the credit multiplier matching the equivalent value of SETI by saying MW gets high credits on ATIs just because they are so much faster! Furthermore nothing has changed to the worse here, quite to the contrary. The app is now delivering better results even faster than before.
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Message 30744 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 0:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 30718.  

So what is the result? One can now point every cross project parity fanatic to the credit multiplier matching the equivalent value of SETI by saying MW gets high credits on ATIs just because they are so much faster! Furthermore nothing has changed to the worse here, quite to the contrary. The app is now delivering better results even faster than before.

Hey that's not fair. I was enjoying that argument and then you go and speed up it all up and give me even more credits. I demand you reduce the credits further so that we can continue this interesting 'debate' :P


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Message 30747 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 0:10:01 UTC

;-) ..with my current computer I do more science by reading
your posts than by crunching WU`s.. ;-D So please continue to
discuss what ever you may think of. lol
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Message 30756 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 0:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 30707.  

I would suggest to stop bitching about the lower credits. Just use the new 0.20 ATI version and your credits/day will be back to the values before the reduction or maybe even slightly higher :D

MW can afford to have "parity" with SETI ;)


Compensates for the lower credits.

To me it is going back on his word of setting the credits and supposed to have left them be.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 30761 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 1:52:55 UTC - in response to Message 30707.  

I would suggest to stop bitching about the lower credits. Just use the new 0.20 ATI version and your credits/day will be back to the values before the reduction or maybe even slightly higher :D


CPU version 0.20 SSE missing :(

CPU versions SSE3 on 5050e:
0.19: 4,163.42
0.20: 3,920.63

0.19: 3,038.91
0.20: 2,850.44

I see improvements like 6% - 7%.
While it is great to see this additional optimization, it is far from compensating the last 28% credit cut.
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Message 30765 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 2:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 30761.  

I have put two machines on it now and we will see tomorrow what kind of a daily I get before I speculate any of loss or gain with the new and improved v. 2.


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Message 30773 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 4:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 30707.  

I would suggest to stop bitching about the lower credits. Just use the new 0.20 ATI version and your credits/day will be back to the values before the reduction or maybe even slightly higher :D

MW can afford to have "parity" with SETI ;)


And what about the rest of us peons that don't have an ATI card and are running just CPU tasks....

ahhh screw us

This is now officially an ATI only project... and since I don't have one, bye bye

Must be getting close to paper grading time.... hu
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Message 30774 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 4:57:39 UTC - in response to Message 30773.  
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If you go to the optimize web site there is one for the non gpu..
http://www.arkayn.us/milkyway/index.html

OK?
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Message 30775 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 5:10:30 UTC
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Are the new 64 SEE 3 faster than the old 19 SEE 4.1, and are the new 20 SEE 3 faster than the old 19 SEE 3?

because my RAC is dropping like a rock and I know other projects would give me more.... just a little pissed that the ATI thing has effected the CPU only crowd... I believe we were here first, and are now being treated like someones old gum that I stepped in walking down the street on a hot day.. ewwwww
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Message 30777 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 6:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 30775.  

Are the new 64 SEE 3 faster than the old 19 SEE 4.1, and are the new 20 SEE 3 faster than the old 19 SEE 3?

because my RAC is dropping like a rock and I know other projects would give me more.... just a little pissed that the ATI thing has effected the CPU only crowd... I believe we were here first, and are now being treated like someones old gum that I stepped in walking down the street on a hot day.. ewwwww

I do believe that CPU 0.20 came out before ATI 0.20, therefore you 'CPU guys' (and I am still one of them) get the preference ;)


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Message 30779 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 7:56:12 UTC

Last night, latish, I swapped my CPU only rig from the opti client 0.19 to 0.20.

It looks like the new client is faster.

But, I an getting zero credit awarded as this example of the results shows.
Go away, I was asleep


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Message 30817 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 13:20:58 UTC - in response to Message 30779.  

Last night, latish, I swapped my CPU only rig from the opti client 0.19 to 0.20.

It looks like the new client is faster.

But, I an getting zero credit awarded as this example of the results shows.


I'm taking a look at the server right now and seeing what's up with the WUs that are being flagged as invalid. Hopefully I can get it sorted out soon.
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Message 30842 - Posted: 14 Sep 2009, 16:43:34 UTC - in response to Message 30775.  

Are the new 64 SEE 3 faster than the old 19 SEE 4.1, and are the new 20 SEE 3 faster than the old 19 SEE 3?


Still did not answer the question.... Which apps are faster?
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