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Message 2805 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 1:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 2804.  

The new credits are showing as 4.06 per W/U (300seconds) on my quads.

This makes around 195 cr per hour on each quad box.

MW now one of the highest per hour along with ABC (198 per hour) that I am currently crunching.



haha don't tell us we're the highest please. we don't want our management getting ideas of lowering it again.
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Message 2806 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 1:17:46 UTC - in response to Message 2804.  

The new credits are showing as 4.06 per W/U (300seconds) on my quads.

This makes around 195 cr per hour on each quad box.

MW now one of the highest per hour along with ABC (198 per hour) that I am currently crunching.


At the moment RS and Cosmo are much higher than that....not to fear Dave ...MW not the highest in individual taste tastes by the consumer :)
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Message 2807 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 1:19:54 UTC

faster response than i expected. the credit raise is a bit lower then i expected but dont get me wrong im happy with it. i'm going to stick with the project and start adding more machines.:)
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Message 2810 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 2:43:00 UTC - in response to Message 2805.  



haha don't tell us we're the highest please. we don't want our management getting ideas of lowering it again.


Nope you aren't, but with the high turn over you need on the work you should be near the top to churn them like the project requires.

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Message 2812 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 4:33:32 UTC

wow, amazingly fast response, well done guys, good to see somegood interaction from projet team and users. I just increased my resource share
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Message 2813 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 5:25:22 UTC

Nice oneā€¼ Thanks :-)
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Message 2814 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 5:33:17 UTC

Way too much-

Sad that the credit sharks have taken over the voice here, look on the sign up dates from the biggest complainers and wonder: they all came after the Application improvement made in early march.

After ive forced myself reading through that first, now locked credit discussion thread (If I wouldnt had to run 2 long mysql backups right now, i probably would have never going through all that stupidity in that thread.
) - Im shocked on what kind of people the high credits have attracted now, some even use abusive language to get what they want.


/signing off
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Message 2816 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 5:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 2814.  

Way too much-

Sad that the credit sharks have taken over the voice here, look on the sign up dates from the biggest complainers and wonder: they all came after the Application improvement made in early march.

After ive forced myself reading through that first, now locked credit discussion thread (If I wouldnt had to run 2 long mysql backups right now, i probably would have never going through all that stupidity in that thread.
) - Im shocked on what kind of people the high credits have attracted now, some even use abusive language to get what they want.


/signing off


Look right under your avatar then look under my avatar. Enough said..../signing off/
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Message 2818 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 7:47:58 UTC - in response to Message 2792.  
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Imho, its too much...

2.17 was more than average on my hosts

Just my 2 cents...



You were outvoted 50 to 1 !


Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here. Just because my calculator keeps telling me that Milkyway is granting 50% more credits than ABC or Cosmo (with 4 cr. per wu), I do know nonetheless that it is the project admins decision how much credits are granted. If I dont like the decision, i have to go somewhere else. If I dont believe the guys that say that Milkyway isnt granting more than the other high credit projects (which can be easily checked), its still MY problem. If I think that those people are talking rubbish who are saying that increasing the credits again saved this project, exactly: Still MY problem...


most people agree that the granted credit is way too high for the project by a factor of 3.


Now you're saying that most people were wrong...


Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


;) thats what i'm doing...

Well, thanks to 6.5 cr., I was able to reach my personal project milestone of 10k in no time. Funny that the last wu I needed to reach 10k was one with "only" 2.17 cr.

At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k.

Well, now I can focus on other projects again, like WCG atm, where I can do exactly that...


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Message 2820 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 10:14:43 UTC

Granting more credits lets crunchers be happier, which means the works of the project crunched more, which lets the project team be happier.
It's simply a win-win game.

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Message 2821 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 10:23:13 UTC - in response to Message 2806.  

At the moment RS and Cosmo are much higher than that....


At the moment RS is granting on average 32% more credit than MW on my 3 hosts. The 5.64 app runs twice as fast as before and still gives 27 credit.

DA must be apoplectic ;)

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Message 2822 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 10:23:47 UTC

Hail to chief travis!

I kept MW running on full speed, this makes it just more fun!
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Message 2823 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 10:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 2814.  

look on the sign up dates from the biggest complainers

/signing off


Hey, newbie ;) Some of us have been in this from the start :P

/signing off

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Message 2824 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 12:47:25 UTC
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Thank you Dave and Travis,

I've got some new wu granted with 4.06,
which is in my opinion a fair amount in the middle.

Though the science and not credits should be the important target for crunching, it's a additional motivation (which sometimes is needed too, e.g. thinking of the electric bill ;)) so in my opinion a fair amount of credits should be given!

on the other hand ..
everytime there will be some people complaining about too little or to much credits granted, while it's depending on the machine the app's run and how good it's fitting and optimized on this.
It may be, a application running on an old Sempron gets more credits in relation to the cpu-velocity as on a new Xeon, - with different Project application contrawise.
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Message 2826 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 14:29:40 UTC - in response to Message 2818.  

At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k..


Really? How on earth do you know that? How do you compare work done "determining the evolution of the Milkyway galaxy", to work done looking for a cure for aids? How can you say that one does more or less scientific work?

I believe that you can only compare the amount of work done *within* a project. And with these new, faster/optimized apps, we are doing *more* scientific work at MilkyWay per second. It seems to me that is something you should be applauding, not running from.

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Message 2827 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 15:26:20 UTC - in response to Message 2826.  
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At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k..


Really? How on earth do you know that? How do you compare work done "determining the evolution of the Milkyway galaxy", to work done looking for a cure for aids? How can you say that one does more or less scientific work?

I believe that you can only compare the amount of work done *within* a project. And with these new, faster/optimized apps, we are doing *more* scientific work at MilkyWay per second. It seems to me that is something you should be applauding, not running from.


Well said zombie.....I have noticed that people who boycott projects they perceive with too high of credits many times say they are in it for the science....they want it both ways.... at least people saying they are doing it for the credits are being honest with themselves and others.

I beleive this project took the right approach finally ....and that is let the crunchers decide what is fair by general concensus.
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Message 2828 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 16:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 2826.  
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At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k..


Really? How on earth do you know that? How do you compare work done "determining the evolution of the Milkyway galaxy", to work done looking for a cure for aids? How can you say that one does more or less scientific work?

I believe that you can only compare the amount of work done *within* a project. And with these new, faster/optimized apps, we are doing *more* scientific work at MilkyWay per second. It seems to me that is something you should be applauding, not running from.


I know Zombie, thats why I put "scientific" in (TWO) brackets. Sorry, you got me wrong.

I could also say, that my host needs to run 3x the time at other projects for the same amount of credits, and I'm still happy with it. It *FEELS* like my host is doing more work. (((With quite a few low credit projects I'm supporting I could be just as proud with my combined 430k like a Milkyway@home user with 1million credits.)))

I know very well that the work cant be compared among different projects ((just like the credits)). Noone is entitled to say that one second for WCG is better than one second crunched for Milkyway.

And yes, I do think that Milkyways project admins are doing great work, optimizing apps, communicating with us volunteers, ... - A+

Just wanted to make a point, that there are even people willing to help without credits above average (there are also a few projects I would support without any credits) - contrary to the people who posted "Byebye" right after the granted credits had been decreased. In MY opinion such BEHAVIOUR is poor. [Edited]

Cheers, Shai!

PS: Enough about credits from me here. Its the admins decision, they know whats good for their project. I'm glad having contributed 10k. Doing my 50k milestone at WCG now...


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Message 2830 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 17:16:14 UTC - in response to Message 2828.  


Just wanted to make a point, that there are even people willing to help without credits above average (there are also a few projects I would support without any credits) - contrary to the people who posted "Byebye" right after the granted credits had been decreased. Thats poor.

No that is not poor. That is free choice. You have the right to support whatever project you want according to your own wishes and desires. We have that right as well. If I do not like the way a project is being run I have the right to say bye and move my crunchers to another project. They are, after all, my crunchers. I prefer to have a dialog with the project admins first, but that is by my choice. Those who posted bye and left were also exercising their right to do so. I do not think any less of them for doing so and are appalled that you do.
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Message 2831 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 17:39:16 UTC - in response to Message 2830.  


Just wanted to make a point, that there are even people willing to help without credits above average (there are also a few projects I would support without any credits) - contrary to the people who posted "Byebye" right after the granted credits had been decreased. Thats poor.

No that is not poor. That is free choice. You have the right to support whatever project you want according to your own wishes and desires. We have that right as well. If I do not like the way a project is being run I have the right to say bye and move my crunchers to another project. They are, after all, my crunchers. I prefer to have a dialog with the project admins first, but that is by my choice. Those who posted bye and left were also exercising their right to do so. I do not think any less of them for doing so and are appalled that you do.


You're right Sarge! Its simply MY opinion that such BEHAVIOUR is poor.

Better?

Now I'm really off... ;)

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Message 2845 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 22:46:04 UTC - in response to Message 2831.  


Just wanted to make a point, that there are even people willing to help without credits above average (there are also a few projects I would support without any credits) - contrary to the people who posted "Byebye" right after the granted credits had been decreased. Thats poor.

No that is not poor. That is free choice. You have the right to support whatever project you want according to your own wishes and desires. We have that right as well. If I do not like the way a project is being run I have the right to say bye and move my crunchers to another project. They are, after all, my crunchers. I prefer to have a dialog with the project admins first, but that is by my choice. Those who posted bye and left were also exercising their right to do so. I do not think any less of them for doing so and are appalled that you do.


You're right Sarge! Its simply MY opinion that such BEHAVIOUR is poor.

Better?

Now I'm really off... ;)

Best, Shai!


Well look @ the Bright Side of it SG, now you'll be able to devote more of your time Crusading @ some of the other Projects that in your Opinion give out to much Credit ... :)
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