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Message 2846 - Posted: 25 Mar 2008, 23:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 2845.  


Just wanted to make a point, that there are even people willing to help without credits above average (there are also a few projects I would support without any credits) - contrary to the people who posted "Byebye" right after the granted credits had been decreased. Thats poor.

No that is not poor. That is free choice. You have the right to support whatever project you want according to your own wishes and desires. We have that right as well. If I do not like the way a project is being run I have the right to say bye and move my crunchers to another project. They are, after all, my crunchers. I prefer to have a dialog with the project admins first, but that is by my choice. Those who posted bye and left were also exercising their right to do so. I do not think any less of them for doing so and are appalled that you do.


You're right Sarge! Its simply MY opinion that such BEHAVIOUR is poor.

Better?

Now I'm really off... ;)

Best, Shai!


Well look @ the Bright Side of it SG, now you'll be able to devote more of your time Crusading @ some of the other Projects that in your Opinion give out to much Credit ... :)


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Message 2848 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 5:10:15 UTC - in response to Message 2818.  
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Imho, its too much...

2.17 was more than average on my hosts

Just my 2 cents...



You were outvoted 50 to 1 !


Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here. Just because my calculator keeps telling me that Milkyway is granting 50% more credits than ABC or Cosmo (with 4 cr. per wu), I do know nonetheless that it is the project admins decision how much credits are granted. If I dont like the decision, i have to go somewhere else. If I dont believe the guys that say that Milkyway isnt granting more than the other high credit projects (which can be easily checked), its still MY problem. If I think that those people are talking rubbish who are saying that increasing the credits again saved this project, exactly: Still MY problem...


most people agree that the granted credit is way too high for the project by a factor of 3.


Now you're saying that most people were wrong...


Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


;) thats what i'm doing...

Well, thanks to 6.5 cr., I was able to reach my personal project milestone of 10k in no time. Funny that the last wu I needed to reach 10k was one with "only" 2.17 cr.

At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k.

Well, now I can focus on other projects again, like WCG atm, where I can do exactly that...



Now wait, I am confused. If the pay is too high, you can always set your prefs to 1..

But first - you state "Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here."

Then you say - "thats what i'm doing..." in response to the statement -

Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


Will you figure it out ? you are making even me dizzy..

There should be a BOINC server option that lets the participant choose the amount of credit he should get.

100% of the project default
75% of the project default
50% or the project default
1-1 1 credit = 1 WU (so they can at least see how many WU's they have crunched)

and for the halo heads

.001% or just 0000 - since credit is not a big issue to them - they can select the 000 option and feel at home.

Of course, I would opt for an option of 200% of the project default for myself... Even a bad man credit whore that I am can "accidentally" do some science along the way. Dangit.. and I thought this was crunching for credits.
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Message 2849 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 5:21:37 UTC - in response to Message 2848.  

Imho, its too much...

2.17 was more than average on my hosts

Just my 2 cents...



You were outvoted 50 to 1 !


Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here. Just because my calculator keeps telling me that Milkyway is granting 50% more credits than ABC or Cosmo (with 4 cr. per wu), I do know nonetheless that it is the project admins decision how much credits are granted. If I dont like the decision, i have to go somewhere else. If I dont believe the guys that say that Milkyway isnt granting more than the other high credit projects (which can be easily checked), its still MY problem. If I think that those people are talking rubbish who are saying that increasing the credits again saved this project, exactly: Still MY problem...


most people agree that the granted credit is way too high for the project by a factor of 3.


Now you're saying that most people were wrong...


Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


;) thats what i'm doing...

Well, thanks to 6.5 cr., I was able to reach my personal project milestone of 10k in no time. Funny that the last wu I needed to reach 10k was one with "only" 2.17 cr.

At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k.

Well, now I can focus on other projects again, like WCG atm, where I can do exactly that...



Now wait, I am confused. If the pay is too high, you can always set your prefs to 1..

But first - you state "Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here."

Then you say - "thats what i'm doing..." in response to the statement -

Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


Will you figure it out ? you are making even me dizzy..

There should be a BOINC server option that lets the participant choose the amount of credit he should get.

100% of the project default
75% of the project default
50% or the project default
1-1 1 credit = 1 WU (so they can at least see how many WU's they have crunched)

and for the halo heads

.001% or just 0000 - since credit is not a big issue to them - they can select the 000 option and feel at home.


What about another option "Donate credit to Philadelphia"

I like the way that sounds!!!

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Message 2850 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 10:28:14 UTC - in response to Message 2784.  

Travis has set the new workunit credit to be within the range of 4-4.2. We heard all you guys and raised it to the majority vote.


I am out:( to love credit for me.
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Message 2851 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 11:39:43 UTC - in response to Message 2850.  

Travis has set the new workunit credit to be within the range of 4-4.2. We heard all you guys and raised it to the majority vote.


I am out:( to love credit for me.


I see you have 64 Bit OS's on all your PC's, that's the same as me and I agree the Credits are low if your running 64 Bit OS's. There are Projects out there that will give a lot more Credit if thats what you want than the MilkyWay Project if your running 64 Bit OS's.

But for a 32 Bit Project I think the Credits are Fair & comparable to some of the other higher credit Projects. It's not the Highest but you could do a lot worse at a lot of the other Projects ... :)
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Message 2855 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 18:01:46 UTC - in response to Message 2848.  

Now wait, I am confused...


Just like you, and others, I'm also allowed to use "Sarcasm" and/or "Irony" in my posts... Am I not?

I mean we are all clever enough to know that there will be no fair way of granting credits ever - I like the idea, though... :D Apart from the sarcasm I think I made myself clear.

And apart from the great idea behind "Milkyway@Home" its my PERSONAL opinion that the credits are a bit too much above average. Thats it.

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Message 2856 - Posted: 26 Mar 2008, 18:02:44 UTC - in response to Message 2848.  
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Sorry, DP again. Thanx to my slow 54kbit connection.

Cruncher, thx for hiding the last DP and for hiding this one as well! :)
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Message 2873 - Posted: 27 Mar 2008, 22:34:53 UTC

I just want the system ops to grant 6.0 and tell the rest of the world tough thats the way it will be then everyone will come here. Besides its there project not DA's or anyone else.. The political dodo must go..Maybe 6.0 is unfair humm who cares as long as the work gets done..
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Message 2874 - Posted: 27 Mar 2008, 23:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 2873.  

I just want the system ops to grant 6.0 and tell the rest of the world tough thats the way it will be then everyone will come here. Besides its there project not DA's or anyone else.. The political dodo must go..Maybe 6.0 is unfair humm who cares as long as the work gets done..

Well, for the case that you haven't read the last happenings here: you are too late with that, nobody will hear you.
A poll with suggestions is already over.
And besides that the majority claimed for 4 nobody did vote for more than 4.5 anymore.
There was nothing political going on with this, it was a community decision. :-)
So I cannot understand the people here who are crying: "It's D.A.'s fault!"
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Message 2877 - Posted: 27 Mar 2008, 23:27:04 UTC - in response to Message 2874.  
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I just want the system ops to grant 6.0 and tell the rest of the world tough thats the way it will be then everyone will come here. Besides its there project not DA's or anyone else.. The political dodo must go..Maybe 6.0 is unfair humm who cares as long as the work gets done..

Well, for the case that you haven't read the last happenings here: you are too late with that, nobody will hear you.
A poll with suggestions is already over.
And besides that the majority claimed for 4 nobody did vote for more than 4.5 anymore.
There was nothing political going on with this, it was a community decision. :-)
So I cannot understand the people here who are crying: "It's D.A.'s fault!"


Well said DoctorNow....and DA is out of it ...whats he gonna do control the stats sites?...if more projects adopted this procedure it might be the fairest way to a total Boinc credit soloution. :)
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Message 2878 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 0:40:58 UTC - in response to Message 2877.  

I just want the system ops to grant 6.0 and tell the rest of the world tough thats the way it will be then everyone will come here. Besides its there project not DA's or anyone else.. The political dodo must go..Maybe 6.0 is unfair humm who cares as long as the work gets done..

Well, for the case that you haven't read the last happenings here: you are too late with that, nobody will hear you.
A poll with suggestions is already over.
And besides that the majority claimed for 4 nobody did vote for more than 4.5 anymore.
There was nothing political going on with this, it was a community decision. :-)
So I cannot understand the people here who are crying: "It's D.A.'s fault!"


Well said DoctorNow....and DA is out of it ...whats he gonna do control the stats sites?...if more projects adopted this procedure it might be the fairest way to a total Boinc credit soloution. :)


Oh I heard and can read very well and I saw the poll but it is still up to the admins of the project and your sarcasm has been noted.. Thank you so much, I needed that..I feel much better now how about you?

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Message 2879 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 0:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 2878.  
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I just want the system ops to grant 6.0 and tell the rest of the world tough thats the way it will be then everyone will come here. Besides its there project not DA's or anyone else.. The political dodo must go..Maybe 6.0 is unfair humm who cares as long as the work gets done..

Well, for the case that you haven't read the last happenings here: you are too late with that, nobody will hear you.
A poll with suggestions is already over.
And besides that the majority claimed for 4 nobody did vote for more than 4.5 anymore.
There was nothing political going on with this, it was a community decision. :-)
So I cannot understand the people here who are crying: "It's D.A.'s fault!"


Well said DoctorNow....and DA is out of it ...whats he gonna do control the stats sites?...if more projects adopted this procedure it might be the fairest way to a total Boinc credit soloution. :)


Oh I heard and can read very well and I saw the poll but it is still up to the admins of the project and your sarcasm has been noted.. Thank you so much, I needed that..I feel much better now how about you?


I don' know about the Dr but I feel better.....see the real point here is that it shouldn't be up to the admins,or Boinc founders.....but the community like what happened here.After all it is the community that has the biggest stake in credit why shouldn't WE have the biggest say? I beleive the Dr(Now) is very proud at the way it was handled here and his part in it thats all ...take it as you will ;)
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Message 2883 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 8:49:46 UTC - in response to Message 2878.  

Oh I heard and can read very well and I saw the poll but it is still up to the admins of the project and your sarcasm has been noted.. Thank you so much, I needed that..I feel much better now how about you?

Then why didn't you say something as it was about time?
I don't think Dave or Travis would change the credits again only because ONE person yells, they have to be re-adjusted - and that to the almost same value as before, but no one else decided for that high amount.

There was no sarcasm in my answer, I only said it like I saw the things.
And as JRenkar says, I like the way the project runs atm, reminds me a bit on the old RenderFarm. :-D :-)
What I can't believe is that the poll was my idea, but opened by ChertseyAI faster than I could see. :-D
So I'm a little proud of course, but I'm not responsible for the result, the community is.
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Message 2884 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 11:40:02 UTC - in response to Message 2883.  

What I can't believe is that the poll was my idea, but opened by ChertseyAI faster than I could see. :-D


Hey, I did gave you 11 minutes and 25 seconds to start the poll ;-)

That's long enough to pick up 6.5, er no, 2.17, no, wrong again ... 4.06 credits from this project :-D

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Message 2885 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 12:37:28 UTC - in response to Message 2884.  
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What I can't believe is that the poll was my idea, but opened by ChertseyAI faster than I could see. :-D


Hey, I did gave you 11 minutes and 25 seconds to start the poll ;-)

That's long enough to pick up 6.5, er no, 2.17, no, wrong again ... 4.06 credits from this project :-D

Al.

p.s. It Al with an L. AI would be artificial intelligence. I have little enough real intelligence, let alone artificial :-D

LOL, okay. ;-)
That darn board font here makes it a bit hard to differ between l and I. :-/
Only the font in the reply box is another one.
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Message 2886 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 15:01:27 UTC
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In my opinion, 4.02 credits is probably just a wee bit higher than it needs to be.

That, and increased client/server stability are why I came back. Don't change a thing! :o)

P.S. I would not have come back JUST for the points. Stability is the main thing.
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Message 2887 - Posted: 28 Mar 2008, 15:10:17 UTC - in response to Message 2886.  

Stability is the main thing.


Gotta keep the hampster fed so he can keep running in his wheel.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 2896 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 9:13:46 UTC

Don't know about anyone else but I'm seeing a couple 2.17s creeping into my granted credits here and there lately. Has anyone else seen this?
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Message 2897 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 9:27:08 UTC - in response to Message 2896.  

Don't know about anyone else but I'm seeing a couple 2.17s creeping into my granted credits here and there lately. Has anyone else seen this?

It will be work units that didn't make the deadline(for one reason or other) being resent, shouldn't last for long
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Message 2899 - Posted: 29 Mar 2008, 12:10:28 UTC - in response to Message 2897.  

It will be work units that didn't make the deadline(for one reason or other) being resent, shouldn't last for long


I thought a quick return was very important to the genetic algorithm.

Seems a bit daft to resend them when they've been stale for a week!

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