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Send message Joined: 4 Oct 07 Posts: 43 Credit: 53,898 RAC: 0 |
Sorry for all the confusion, I did make a post about the increased time for WUs when I did it, but I realize that "at the same time" wasn't enough time for some of you guys to realize what was going on. Thanks to those that pointed the others in the right direction. The answer to the big question is YES, the deadlines will be changed. The only reason it hasn't been done yet is that I do not know how, and Travis is out of town until today or tomorrow. However, it will be fixed ASAP. As for all the credit issues, my personal belief is that there should be a standard BOINC implementation that gives 1 credit per minute crunched. Simple sweet and no worrying by the project admins if there is too much or too little. But, that's just my opinion. However, I do understand why it's not universal and, so we deal with it. ~Nate~ |
Send message Joined: 28 Aug 07 Posts: 133 Credit: 29,423,179 RAC: 0 |
As for all the credit issues, my personal belief is that there should be a standard BOINC implementation that gives 1 credit per minute crunched. Simple sweet and no worrying by the project admins if there is too much or too little. But, that's just my opinion. However, I do understand why it's not universal and, so we deal with it. So if I crunched on an old P3 for one minute I should get the same as for 1 minute C2Q? I don't think that's even remotely fair. Best would be what you just do now, give the same amount for the same WU, as they all run the same time on the same machine. You just have to get the amount to the right value, that's something about the average over whole BOINC, quite near to the non-"optimised" benchmarks. For the 2:30min WUs it should be something about 1.2, for the one 2:30h about 70. Grüße vom Sänger |
Send message Joined: 21 Nov 07 Posts: 6 Credit: 154,900 RAC: 0 |
Sorry for all the confusion, I did make a post about the increased time for WUs when I did it, but I realize that "at the same time" wasn't enough time for some of you guys to realize what was going on. Thanks to those that pointed the others in the right direction. Hm. I had expected to find information of that importance on the main page in the "News" section. Isn't that what it is for? And, as already mentioned here, a few days in advance. Greetings, Groundhog |
Send message Joined: 9 Nov 07 Posts: 131 Credit: 180,454 RAC: 0 |
Old ones were 2:30, new ones are as well 2:30. Only the for the old ones it was minutes, for the new ones it's hours. So the same her as with niterobin. You beat me too it, we ran him off at Cosmo so he's here now, lol. Glad he's on SETI.GERMANY and not our team SETI.USA. CLICK TO HELP BUILD |
Send message Joined: 7 Jun 08 Posts: 464 Credit: 56,639,936 RAC: 0 |
LOL... Agreed, but it's not so much what he's saying is offbase, but eventually you get to the point where you say, "Yes I know, I've heard it before..."! ;-) Alinator |
Send message Joined: 9 Nov 07 Posts: 131 Credit: 180,454 RAC: 0 |
I see you're pretty good with cut and paste, I thought some of that sounded familiar so I went back to cosmo and yes, word for word (words I put in bold), lol. And please don't hijack this persons thread, start up another one regarding credits if you're so inclined. CLICK TO HELP BUILD |
Send message Joined: 17 Feb 08 Posts: 363 Credit: 258,227,990 RAC: 0 |
yea... like an old broken record... repeating it over and over again just to the annoy people on every board ... Join Support science! Joinc Team BOINC United now! |
Send message Joined: 7 Jun 08 Posts: 464 Credit: 56,639,936 RAC: 0 |
LOL... Yep. However, don't forget there's another pet-peeve topic which exists as well. Given a choice, I'd rather deal with this one! ;-) Alinator |
Send message Joined: 1 Sep 07 Posts: 18 Credit: 1,658,251 RAC: 0 |
Sorry for all the confusion, I did make a post about the increased time for WUs when I did it, but I realize that "at the same time" wasn't enough time for some of you guys to realize what was going on. Thanks to those that pointed the others in the right direction. I'm a little confused here. BOINCManager handles how many work units we get. if we don't need any work we don't get it. Even if the 20 WUs Limit is not reached. Also, the project seem to handle it too. For example: 7/15/2008 15:28:21|Enigma@Home|Message from server: No work sent 7/15/2008 15:28:21|Enigma@Home|Message from server: (won't finish in time) BOINC runs 98.9% of time, computation enabled 99.7% of that The new crunch time for the WUs are around 7 hours give or take a few. If the deadline is increased, won't they just sit around longer before starting. I have WUs with 30 days deadline and they sit around for 28 days or so. Which also happens to the the MW 7 minute ones. They sit around until the last day of the deadline. Now of course, I'm one that is attached to 70+ Projects. I don't have enough boxes to run 1 per project, but I'm working on it. I'm crunching with Quads, Dual-Cores and down to PII 266s so I can check how long the new WUs take to finish on the slow boxes. Hehe, I even have a Cyrus 100 And an AMD 100 that I can put Online. Too long of a deadline seems to defeat the turnaround time needed for fresh data. |
Send message Joined: 7 Jun 08 Posts: 464 Credit: 56,639,936 RAC: 0 |
Well, it's not quite as simple as it may first seem. It all starts with the project needing to make estimates of how much 'effort' the tasks require which are at least in touch with reality with what they actually will take. This is where setting good FPOP estimates comes in. Next, the Core Client has to run benchmarks at least consistently. Accurate and consistent would be best, but consistent will do. This is where TDCF helps out, but that function is pretty heavily damped and kind of slow to respond. Then you have to consider how tight to make the deadlines in relation to your host population's capabilities. Finally, when the need arises to make changes, they should be phased in such that feedback mechanisms in BOINC will function as intended. Get it right, and almost no one notices anything changed. Get anyone one of them wrong, and the <communication garbled> can hit the fan. ;-) Alinator |
Send message Joined: 30 Mar 08 Posts: 50 Credit: 11,593,755 RAC: 0 |
Vote with your feet. This topic is reserved for lawyers, bean counters and men of faith which must know the exact number of angels on the head of a pin. Son, Vcore is your salvation. A good mobo and bios will deliver you the credits you desire. Voltron |
Send message Joined: 24 Jan 08 Posts: 6 Credit: 7,367,832 RAC: 0 |
Hello everyone!! I would like first say sorry about getting on the topic of credit granted for WUs done. That was not my intentions with this thread. I was just curious if the WU length had been increased since it was taking my computer an extra time to complete a WU. The question was answered for me and I thank those that gave me the information that I needed and let me know I didn't have to worry about resetting my BOINC manager as it would update properly. To update you on the length of time to complete a WU on my computer. It turned out to be 3.5 hours, not too bad considering I have a project that runs into the 1000s of hours to complete and I'm sure the BOINC Manager will download accordingly. And it will be great when the deadline is increased too. Thank you all for the information, Warren |
Send message Joined: 27 Aug 07 Posts: 915 Credit: 1,503,319 RAC: 0 |
You beat me too it, we ran him off at Cosmo so he's here now, lol. Glad he's on SETI.GERMANY and not our team SETI.USA. um first... waaah. Second, 8 hours down, 10 hours to go. :/ [Official BOINC Studio user] me@rescam.org |
Send message Joined: 27 Aug 07 Posts: 915 Credit: 1,503,319 RAC: 0 |
yea... like an old broken record... repeating it over and over again just to the annoy people on every board ... oooh oooh I know! I'll PM him just to confirm and make sure. me@rescam.org |
Send message Joined: 11 Nov 07 Posts: 41 Credit: 1,000,181 RAC: 0 |
Sometimes I get so tiiiiired of reading these boinc message boards :( |
Send message Joined: 29 Aug 07 Posts: 486 Credit: 576,518,086 RAC: 36,386 |
I like to think of Saenger as Chicken Little, only he runs around the BOINC Projects Screaming Your Credits are to High Your Credits are to High, Oh My God Your Credits are to High ... hehe ... Luckily like Chicken Little nobody really Pays to much attention to him ... :) |
Send message Joined: 29 Aug 07 Posts: 486 Credit: 576,518,086 RAC: 36,386 |
Sometimes I get so tiiiiired of reading these boinc message boards :( Then quit reading them and go to Bed ... hahaha ... ;) |
Send message Joined: 19 Apr 08 Posts: 7 Credit: 3,067 RAC: 0 |
Hi, Apparently you perfer gestapoism to democracy... The golden Godwin of the day goes to JRenkar ... Regards, Carsten |
Send message Joined: 14 Jun 08 Posts: 1 Credit: 35,904 RAC: 0 |
My antique Powermac G4 has taken 14 hours to get 20% through a WU; at this rate, it will never finish the queued WU's that used to take only 20 minutes each. My speedy dual-core PC, on the other hand, whips through each in only 5 hours. Looks like I'll have to switch my Mac to another BOINC project. |
Send message Joined: 8 Oct 07 Posts: 289 Credit: 3,690,838 RAC: 0 |
Hi, :p |
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