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Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 |
@Jimbocous, I too have had a bunch of WUs validated and credited with only me as a cruncher. I also agree with your assertion one WU, with 2 or more computers. I have not inquired of MW about this, and Tom would know, but I suspect that they have reserved a few computers in house to also crunch. If this is true, then only 1 external computer would be required. Tom? |
Send message Joined: 24 Jan 11 Posts: 715 Credit: 555,448,201 RAC: 38,743 |
You don't understand the system apparently. For a long while, the admins have used BOINC's "known reliable host" mechanism whereby a task returned by such a designated host is validated without a wingman task. https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectOptions#Acceleratingretries So if your host returns validated results consistently against a wingman task, it gets designated as reliable and can be validated with just the one task. BOINC then periodically checks the host by sending out another task to a different host to test whether the host is still reliable. If the two tasks match and validate, the "known reliable host" designation is maintained. If the host suddenly errors out a large amount of work, it loses the designation and will need to build up its reputation again with a long session of validated against wingmen results. |
Send message Joined: 2 Oct 16 Posts: 167 Credit: 1,008,062,758 RAC: 2,736 |
You don't understand the system apparently. For a long while, the admins have used BOINC's "known reliable host" mechanism whereby a task returned by such a designated host is validated without a wingman task. This isn't WCG and that is not used here at MW. |
Send message Joined: 25 Aug 17 Posts: 12 Credit: 1,252,844,611 RAC: 211,979 |
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Send message Joined: 7 Mar 20 Posts: 22 Credit: 105,920,431 RAC: 10,072 |
I may have said "initial replication=1". I meant to refer to "minimum quorum =1". All the valid stuff I have has a minimum quorum >1. |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
Keith, please, WHO are you addressing with the following: You don't understand the system apparently .... We, here in Southern California, especially in L.A., are more relaxed and would have said "Here is an explanation of how I (hopefully) correctly understand the validation process at MW ..." So, just move here, perhaps to San Diego - life is very pleasurable and less aggressive here. Have a real nice weekend - the surf at Palisade Beach is good for a try tomorrow ... |
Send message Joined: 2 Oct 16 Posts: 4 Credit: 5,437,251,588 RAC: 3,867 |
I see that the server status page says 5385758 units are awaiting validation as of 12 March 2022 1700 UTC, I personally have 32923 pending. Is it time to stop running the project to let the validator catch up? Is it just stuck on a bad WU again? |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
I have nothing like the amount of WU’s outstanding you have and have been running other stuff. Not sure how long it will take to shift the backlog but it will be many days I would think even at the current level without any more being done. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Not every WU is cross-validated, because otherwise that would cut our total crunching power in half or thirds. In short, the more your WUs are successfully validated, the less we cross-validate your WUs, because you're "trusted" more than someone who returns WUs that frequently fail validation. This is part of the TAO (Toolkit for Asymmetric Optimization) algorithm that MW@h uses for its backend. We do have in-house machines that run MW@h, but they are treated the same as all of your machines. They are machines that we use for other things, but they run MW@h when we are not actively using them. |
Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 |
Wohoo!! I'm trusted!! ;) |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
It looks like any credits that we are getting are not being sent to BOINC stats my total has stayed the same for at least two days. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
It looks like any credits that we are getting are not being sent to BOINC stats my total has stayed the same for at least two days. You don't have any tasks in progress on either pc so are just waiting for a wingman or the Server to do it's thing, crunching tasks keeps the RAC more even than not crunching and waiting for the system to work it's way thru your already completed tasks. |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
Thanks BOINC total was updated in the last hour so. |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
Is anything being validated ? I have outstanding WU’s going back to the 8th March, last day anything got validated is 12th March. |
Send message Joined: 13 Dec 17 Posts: 46 Credit: 2,421,362,376 RAC: 0 |
I have several validated tasks from the 13th and one from yesterday. Seems some validation goes on, but I still have 30+K pending tasks. |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
Click on "Server Status" under "Computing" to see/check if validation is progressing at all ... |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
It seems to be but nothing come my way yet, still a backlog of well over 5.6 Million. |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
This morning it was approx. 6.5 Million. It started to drop down to 5.632.627 at UTC 13:02 because there was no work (WUs) . At UTC 14:12 it was 5.668.662 . So I was wondering why it was going up again. It did so, because there were suddenly WUs ready to send and the crunchers started, well, crunching! Now, at UTC 18:29 it is down to 5.455.986, so it seems to get less, but very slowly. I guess we just have to be patient. |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
Not sure how often the figures are updated, they have been the same for several hours. Currently 9 systems are down, unable to return WU’s. |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
I guess they are having real troubles ... I have no idea at what intervals or if at all they update at the moment. Just a while ago the nbody validator was running, but just for a short time. Would be nice to hear from them - maybe just a short note, well, I suppose no time for that. |
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