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Message 72381 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 19:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 72380.  

... sorry, forgot to take my sunglasses off !
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Sorry, I'm from Scotland. What is "sun"?
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Message 72382 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 19:47:04 UTC - in response to Message 72381.  

... sorry, forgot to take my sunglasses off !
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Sorry, I'm from Scotland. What is "sun"?

I think that will be `sun microsystems` they do computer stuff ;-)
Today here in Cumbria its been snowing little snowballs and the mountain tops are with with it .
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Message 72384 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 20:00:22 UTC

Assume 'validation inconclusive' backlog will be chipped away next?
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Message 72385 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 20:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 72384.  

Assume 'validation inconclusive' backlog will be chipped away next?

Yes, as soon as more results are returned by wingmen until consensus is achieved on the task.

No guarantee that your inconclusive results will be reduced significantly though.

The validators still produce a high amount of inconclusives depending on whether your results are matched against another result from the same type of architecture, OS and hardware.

If your result is paired with another similar host, the better chance your result will not be proclaimed inconclusive. Pairing results from a Windows host against a Linux host or ARM host will produce a higher quantity of inconclusives.
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Message 72386 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 20:42:58 UTC - in response to Message 72385.  

If your result is paired with another similar host, the better chance your result will not be proclaimed inconclusive. Pairing results from a Windows host against a Linux host or ARM host will produce a higher quantity of inconclusives.
And here was me thinking computers were precise....
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Message 72387 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 20:46:45 UTC - in response to Message 72378.  

Things are looking good! With any luck, we're on the other side of this issue.
Can I sell you some more hamsters?

7728 Milkyway@Home 31-03-2022 07:37 PM Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
7729 Milkyway@Home 31-03-2022 07:37 PM Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
7730 Milkyway@Home 31-03-2022 07:37 PM Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

Sorry, I know you're doing all you can. For god's sake get someone to buy some SSDs. Universe@Home loves their new ones.


SSDs isn't some magic hardware that'll solve the problem here. Not sure why you keep thinking HDDs aren't capable of doing what they've been doing for decades.
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Message 72388 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 20:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 72386.  

If your result is paired with another similar host, the better chance your result will not be proclaimed inconclusive. Pairing results from a Windows host against a Linux host or ARM host will produce a higher quantity of inconclusives.
And here was me thinking computers were precise....

Only as precise as the math libraries and host architecture allows.
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Message 72389 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 21:09:02 UTC - in response to Message 72387.  
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Things are looking good! With any luck, we're on the other side of this issue.
Can I sell you some more hamsters?

7728 Milkyway@Home 31-03-2022 07:37 PM Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
7729 Milkyway@Home 31-03-2022 07:37 PM Requesting new tasks for AMD/ATI GPU
7730 Milkyway@Home 31-03-2022 07:37 PM Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

Sorry, I know you're doing all you can. For god's sake get someone to buy some SSDs. Universe@Home loves their new ones.


SSDs isn't some magic hardware that'll solve the problem here. Not sure why you keep thinking HDDs aren't capable of doing what they've been doing for decades.
Because they're far too slow for the amount of data shifted today. They're too slow for a desktop let alone a server with 1000s of users. There's a reason SiDock, Universe, Rosetta, etc, etc, all use them. They all said they're brilliant. Why would you want to wait for a head to physically move from one track to another? It's an absurd amount of time to wait when 300 people want access simultaneously. Have you not seen how long the Milkyway server took to rebuild a disk while trying to cater for users? It was ridiculous.
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Message 72390 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 21:09:49 UTC - in response to Message 72388.  

If your result is paired with another similar host, the better chance your result will not be proclaimed inconclusive. Pairing results from a Windows host against a Linux host or ARM host will produce a higher quantity of inconclusives.
And here was me thinking computers were precise....

Only as precise as the math libraries and host architecture allows.
Here was me thinking computers gave the same answer every time. A 0 or a 1. Humans say "about 15", computers don't.
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Message 72391 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 22:04:27 UTC - in response to Message 72375.  

Oh, OK.
Well, that is also what the project status page says.
No need for a very dark unreadable "picture"?
Or am I missing something?

Have you all a nice day ...


The Dark unreadable picture if you look closely shows history and trends so it has lots of value

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Message 72392 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 22:25:05 UTC - in response to Message 72391.  

The Dark unreadable picture if you look closely shows history and trends so it has lots of valueBill F
Not sure why anyone would call that dark or unreadable. Candle powered monitors?
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Message 72393 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 23:37:37 UTC - in response to Message 72385.  

Assume 'validation inconclusive' backlog will be chipped away next?

Yes, as soon as more results are returned by wingmen until consensus is achieved on the task.

No guarantee that your inconclusive results will be reduced significantly though.

The validators still produce a high amount of inconclusives depending on whether your results are matched against another result from the same type of architecture, OS and hardware.

If your result is paired with another similar host, the better chance your result will not be proclaimed inconclusive. Pairing results from a Windows host against a Linux host or ARM host will produce a higher quantity of inconclusives.


Here's my current status:

State: All (739) · In progress (0) · Validation pending (0) · Validation inconclusive (723) · Valid (5) · Invalid (0) · Error (11)
Application: All (739) · Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation (659) · Milkyway@home Separation (80)

I suspect a high number will be matched and validated.
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Message 72394 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 23:49:28 UTC

I haven't gotten any WUs for almost two hours. Just checking if it is just me. I've been getting a steady stream until now, so just curious.
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Message 72395 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 23:54:23 UTC - in response to Message 72394.  
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I haven't gotten any WUs for almost two hours. Just checking if it is just me. I've been getting a steady stream until now, so just curious.


I got 4 tasks about 15 minutes ago for the CPU, but that is all my client requested

Just got some now(You'll need to convert Sydney time):
4/1/2022 10:55:15 AM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
4/1/2022 10:55:15 AM | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
4/1/2022 10:55:15 AM | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
4/1/2022 10:55:15 AM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 5872.97 seconds; 0.00 devices
4/1/2022 10:55:15 AM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] NVIDIA GPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
4/1/2022 10:55:17 AM | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 13 new tasks
4/1/2022 10:55:17 AM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
4/1/2022 10:55:17 AM | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
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Message 72396 - Posted: 31 Mar 2022, 23:55:21 UTC - in response to Message 72389.  

Because they're far too slow for the amount of data shifted today. They're too slow for a desktop let alone a server with 1000s of users. There's a reason SiDock, Universe, Rosetta, etc, etc, all use them. They all said they're brilliant. Why would you want to wait for a head to physically move from one track to another? It's an absurd amount of time to wait when 300 people want access simultaneously. Have you not seen how long the Milkyway server took to rebuild a disk while trying to cater for users? It was ridiculous.


SSD wouldn't have made that much of a difference during the rebuilding process. Tom took the project offline and it finished in around 12 hours. Now the spinners are handing things just fine. There is more to validating tasks besides just moving data around and the HDD array isn't the bottleneck.
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Message 72397 - Posted: 1 Apr 2022, 0:48:42 UTC - in response to Message 72375.  

Oh, OK.
Well, that is also what the project status page says.
No need for a very dark unreadable "picture"?
Or am I missing something?

Have you all a nice day ...


Would you prefer searing white?
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Message 72398 - Posted: 1 Apr 2022, 1:44:00 UTC - in response to Message 72394.  

I haven't gotten any WUs for almost two hours. Just checking if it is just me. I've been getting a steady stream until now, so just curious.

It's not just you. I had Separation tasks for most of the day but they dried up about an hour ago.
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Message 72399 - Posted: 1 Apr 2022, 2:13:38 UTC

I still haven't gotten any WUs. Thanks Keith for the confirmation.

The status page hasn't updated in a while either.

Sorry Tom, you might need to perform some more percussive maintenance.
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Message 72400 - Posted: 1 Apr 2022, 3:38:45 UTC - in response to Message 72399.  

I still haven't gotten any WUs. Thanks Keith for the confirmation.


Really? I guess its easier to fulfil smaller work requests

4/1/2022 2:37:30 PM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Starting scheduler request
4/1/2022 2:37:30 PM | Milkyway@Home | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks.
4/1/2022 2:37:30 PM | Milkyway@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks
4/1/2022 2:37:30 PM | Milkyway@Home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
4/1/2022 2:37:30 PM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] CPU work request: 75.25 seconds; 0.00 devices
4/1/2022 2:37:30 PM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] NVIDIA GPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 devices
4/1/2022 2:37:33 PM | Milkyway@Home | Scheduler request completed: got 1 new tasks
4/1/2022 2:37:33 PM | Milkyway@Home | [sched_op] Server version 713
4/1/2022 2:37:33 PM | Milkyway@Home | Project requested delay of 91 seconds
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Message 72401 - Posted: 1 Apr 2022, 3:50:33 UTC

I am also seeing database corruption. I am now seeing timed out tasks that I never had received on any of my hosts during the server disk failure disruption.
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