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Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
I also get this problem. Now there are 1000+ unvalidated tasks on my pageYou are not alone in wondering! However, it's just NBody tasks with the most recent result marked as "Don't need" that aren't getting validated or, at least, that's my experience (and [it appears] that of several other users who have posted...) I agree with your hopes and aspirations but it might be beyond Tom's control, I mean he "flushed" all the workunits out of the system does that mean they are now orphaned and have to be brought with new names or that they can be recycled as 2nd and 3rd tasks as opposed to initial tasks so your 11K and everyone elses can validate. |
Send message Joined: 13 Apr 17 Posts: 256 Credit: 604,411,638 RAC: 0 |
I also get this problem. Now there are 1000+ unvalidated tasks on my page I was wondering about this also, so I stopped all crunching and "watched" the task page for a couple of hours. The result being, that about 10 tasks "disappear" from the "validation inconclusive" queue over a timespan of around two hours. Hope they went to the "valid" queue. |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
My validation inconclusive's haven't dropped in 4 days now. I had hopes for improvement. It's been a week now without any further validated inconclusive's. I stopped crunching 5 weeks ago. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
My validation inconclusive's haven't dropped in 4 days now. I had hopes for improvement. Are yours zero tasks or 1, 2 or more tasks? Look at the number at the end of your task for the number. The zero task is the original task while the 1, 2 3 etc is other copies of the same task sent out to validate the task if needed. |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
My validation inconclusive's haven't dropped in 4 days now. I had hopes for improvement. Not sure what you're referring to but my tasks are viewable for scrutiny. |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
Not sure what you're referring to but my tasks are viewable for scrutiny. Ok just looked again. They all end in 0. |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
Are yours zero tasks or 1, 2 or more tasks? Look at the number at the end of your task for the number. The zero task is the original task while the 1, 2 3 etc is other copies of the same task sent out to validate the task if needed. Since it was determined they all end in 0 what exactly does that mean? |
Send message Joined: 24 Jan 11 Posts: 715 Credit: 556,222,317 RAC: 55,493 |
The tasks haven't been replicated yet for any wingmen. So you are waiting until somebody else crunches the tasks and get validated. |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
The tasks haven't been replicated yet for any wingmen. So you are waiting until somebody else crunches the tasks and get validated. Thanks, the vast number were submitted at my end between March 16 - 24. Assume I'm waiting because the server hasn't sent them to others despite the time lag. Just how much longer, or has this already been addressed by the admin that I'm not seeing? |
Send message Joined: 16 Mar 10 Posts: 213 Credit: 108,403,576 RAC: 3,425 |
I presume all your stalled tasks have a second entry with status "Didn't need" - other work units seem to be processing as normal now...The tasks haven't been replicated yet for any wingmen. So you are waiting until somebody else crunches the tasks and get validated. In summary, those "Didn't need" tasks are the result of what Tom did to try to reduce the backlog of NBody work to a level that gave it a chance to get back to normal (for some value of normal...); a lot of those work units were from mid-March, like yours. Those work units are effectively stalled until the transitioner decides that they've been inactive for an over-long period, at which point a new task might be created to get each work unit moving again -- what constitutes over-long is based on a parameter visible only to the server system (so no clarity of information there...). This has been discussed before in both this thread (here, for instance) and the "NBody WU Flush" thread in the News forum (if you can find it amongst the noise there!), including some "what happens next" ideas that haven't been confirmed (or refuted) yet. I realize that counselling patience doesn't reduce the irritation factor :-) but waiting is all we can do at present... Cheers - Al. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
The tasks haven't been replicated yet for any wingmen. So you are waiting until somebody else crunches the tasks and get validated. Waaaay down in the News, Nbody Flush section Tom the Admin said 30 days after the original task is returned. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Yeah, it's looking like when I flushed all the WUs that "hadn't been sent yet," it also terminated all of the tasks that had previously been returned but hadn't sent out the wingman WUs. So now there are a bunch of WUs that won't be validated that are floating around, which is frustrating for people. For the record, I was led to believe that I was only cancelling WUs that had never been sent to anyone or already had one result crunched by someone. Maybe that is why the automatic BOINC WU cancellation tool didn't remove very many tasks, because they all had been crunched once but the validator wasn't able to get everything sent back out? So, apologies for that. There's an option to "revalidate WUs" but I don't know enough about it at the moment to recognize whether it would just overload the server with tasks again, or worst case, if it would even try to revalidate EVERY WU that's floating around, which includes a lot of very old WUs. |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
So now there are a bunch of WUs that won't be validated that are floating around, which is frustrating for people. Finally! A statement suggesting those WU's may never be validated and may be permanently listed in our accounts as pending. My sympathies to those who have thousands outstanding. I only have 603. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
So now there are a bunch of WUs that won't be validated that are floating around, which is frustrating for people. My condolences but Tom has said in the past he MAY resort to stopping everything and letting all outstanding tasks come back in and then reset the database so all those are gone too, it's pretty draconian but if they keep climbing, I think i have less than 10, it just may come to that to finally get MW back on it's feet and in fighting shape again. |
Send message Joined: 4 Jul 09 Posts: 98 Credit: 17,397,693 RAC: 1,429 |
So now there are a bunch of WUs that won't be validated that are floating around, which is frustrating for people. My inconclusive count has dropped by a very very small amount for the first time in weeks from 907 to 899. Bill F |
Send message Joined: 16 Mar 10 Posts: 213 Credit: 108,403,576 RAC: 3,425 |
So now there are a bunch of WUs that won't be validated that are floating around, which is frustrating for people. Actually, that probably meant "won't be validated because they can't get another wingman at present...", not "may never be validated" -- isn't English wonderfully precise (not!)?... And to back that up, I note that whatever happened a few hours ago has created over 7 million tasks waiting to be sent, and a lot of your stuck work units are now unstuck with a new task sent out and in progress. Whether that's due to something Tom has done or whether the system hit its "safety net" on these work units, the effect is quite dramatic! As mentioned several times before, it just needed something to kick the transitioner into looking at the stalled work units again... Cheers - Al. [Edited to rephrase second paragraph...] |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
So now there are a bunch of WUs that won't be validated that are floating around, which is frustrating for people. I just looked at your pc's and 2 of the tasks on the first one had this as the ending after the name of the file "_2" meaning hopefully Tom forced the Server to send out those validation tasks now instead of hanging onto them soooo long. You still have 12 days to send them back but at least they are sending them out!! |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Looks like everything got dredged back to the surface. I'm going to let things run normally and see if all those Nbody WUs can get processed so people can get their credit. If you stop being able to regularly get credit again, I will have to cancel some Nbody WUs (in a smarter way this time) |
Send message Joined: 20 Nov 07 Posts: 54 Credit: 2,663,789 RAC: 0 |
As mentioned several times before, it just needed something to kick the transitioner into looking at the stalled work units again... And it 'just' started happening after discussing this. What a coincidence! |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
As mentioned several times before, it just needed something to kick the transitioner into looking at the stalled work units again... Squeaky wheel and all that probably |
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