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Message 72309 - Posted: 29 Mar 2022, 18:19:11 UTC

On my account page, there are already 518 results that are shown as "Validation inconclusive". Looking into the WU details, there are two results each shown and a third one says "unsent", so the server didn't sent a third WU for validation purposes. Will the third WU be sent or is this a side effect of the recent server trouble?
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Message 72312 - Posted: 29 Mar 2022, 18:50:11 UTC

I believe that "unsent" means "waiting to be sent", not "did not send for xyz reason". The long timescale is probably just due to the server troubles.
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Message 72315 - Posted: 29 Mar 2022, 19:23:05 UTC - in response to Message 72312.  

Thanks Tom,
let's wait and see. I know there is no way to trigger the server to sent those missing third WUs. It might happen in the future or not.
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Message 72443 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 12:34:03 UTC

I am getting a ton of inconclusives as well, do we have any idea why?
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Message 72445 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 12:44:56 UTC - in response to Message 72443.  
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I am getting a ton of inconclusives as well, do we have any idea why?


Simple the validator doesn't trust the result

So another task is being sent to another machine to validate your result
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Message 72452 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 17:25:46 UTC - in response to Message 72445.  

Seems to me all of my N-Body work units are Validation Inconclusive now and the number keeps going up
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Message 72454 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 18:33:38 UTC

I have over 3000 now on Validation inconclusive, the machine is 100% stable, something wrong at the server end?
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Message 72456 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 19:59:53 UTC

At the moment it seems several of the servers are offline. https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/server_status.php
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Message 72457 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 20:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 72456.  

I just turned them off for a moment to transition some WUs. They will be back up shortly.
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Message 72459 - Posted: 2 Apr 2022, 20:23:46 UTC - in response to Message 72457.  

I just turned them off for a moment to transition some WUs. They will be back up shortly.

Good to know. Thanks. :)
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Message 72474 - Posted: 3 Apr 2022, 21:11:36 UTC

A great deal of my current WUs go straight to the 'validation inconclusive' pile. Also, the majority of my 'validation pending' WUs went straight there, too. To me, that is very disappointing, a pure waste of my time and resources.
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Message 72476 - Posted: 3 Apr 2022, 21:46:54 UTC - in response to Message 72474.  
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+1, more than half of all my WUs finished have been lost

Tous tasks for computer 921438
État: Tous (9450) · En cours (180) · Validation en attente (0) · Validation non concluante (5387) · Valide (2619) · Invalide (0) · Erreur (1264)
Application: All (9450) · Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation (0) · Milkyway@home Separation (9450)

Tous tasks for computer 920219
État: Tous (19948) · En cours (943) · Validation en attente (0) · Validation non concluante (9207) · Valide (9798) · Invalide (0) · Erreur (0)
Application: All (19948) · Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation (0) · Milkyway@home Separation (19948)
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Message 72480 - Posted: 3 Apr 2022, 23:46:33 UTC - in response to Message 72474.  

A great deal of my current WUs go straight to the 'validation inconclusive' pile. Also, the majority of my 'validation pending' WUs went straight there, too. To me, that is very disappointing, a pure waste of my time and resources.


Not necessarily a bad thing, your wingman ie the other task for a quorum of 2 might be faulty and validation inconclusive is just to ensure that the other person that result is valid
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Message 72483 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 4:51:23 UTC

when a result is deemed inconclusive a new WU is created and put at the back of the queue. Right now both types of WUs have long queues of many millions, so the new WU has been created, and it will be sent out, but because the queue of WUs ready to send is so long it will be a few days.

The systems appear to be working well now, but it will take it a while to work through the backlog of WU resends in the queue due to past issues.

I don't know about the nbody queue but in the separation queue I'm getting WUs created March 31 now.

I don't know how the project defines "trusted machine" and how often it sends out resends to confirm "trusted machine" status, but I'll guess with all the system hiccups a bunch of us may have lost "trusted machine" status, and it will take a while for us to earn it back.
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Message 72485 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 12:12:12 UTC - in response to Message 72474.  

A great deal of my current WUs go straight to the 'validation inconclusive' pile. Also, the majority of my 'validation pending' WUs went straight there, too. To me, that is very disappointing, a pure waste of my time and resources.


Validation Inconclusive just means the task hasn't been validated yet, give them time and most or even all should be validated
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Message 72487 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 14:08:24 UTC - in response to Message 72485.  

A great deal of my current WUs go straight to the 'validation inconclusive' pile. Also, the majority of my 'validation pending' WUs went straight there, too. To me, that is very disappointing, a pure waste of my time and resources.


Validation Inconclusive just means the task hasn't been validated yet, give them time and most or even all should be validated

I wonder if Max really believes what he is saying?
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Message 72488 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 14:14:23 UTC - in response to Message 72474.  

A great deal of my current WUs go straight to the 'validation inconclusive' pile. Also, the majority of my 'validation pending' WUs went straight there, too. To me, that is very disappointing, a pure waste of my time and resources.

As others have pointed out, tasks in "Validation inconclusive" will almost certainly validate eventually (unless there are hardware errors!) -- it is only towards the completion of a set of stripes that differences between systems can result in genuine validation errors. That just leaves the matter of why retries are needed in the first place.

Unfortunately, it appears that one side effect of the long delay in shipping out retries during the server problems is that tasks were getting tagged for a retry whether it was needed or not; you'll see a lot of Valid tasks with three successful results! Other users have mentioned other aspects of why there are so many retries, such as loss of "trusted status"...

As none of this should alter the final award of credit, you'll get your gridcoins eventually :-)

Cheers - Al.
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Message 72490 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 14:25:09 UTC - in response to Message 72488.  

A great deal of my current WUs go straight to the 'validation inconclusive' pile. Also, the majority of my 'validation pending' WUs went straight there, too. To me, that is very disappointing, a pure waste of my time and resources.

As others have pointed out, tasks in "Validation inconclusive" will almost certainly validate eventually (unless there are hardware errors!) -- it is only towards the completion of a set of stripes that differences between systems can result in genuine validation errors. That just leaves the matter of why retries are needed in the first place.

Unfortunately, it appears that one side effect of the long delay in shipping out retries during the server problems is that tasks were getting tagged for a retry whether it was needed or not; you'll see a lot of Valid tasks with three successful results! Other users have mentioned other aspects of why there are so many retries, such as loss of "trusted status"...

As none of this should alter the final award of credit, you'll get your gridcoins eventually :-)

Cheers - Al.

He has already been told this many times, but he does not seem to be willing to unsderstand !
Excuse my bluntness - I just had to say it ...
Have a nice day
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Message 72502 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 2:10:57 UTC - in response to Message 72490.  

I have an unit #2146934216 which is dated 3 Feb 2021 but still in status : Completed, waiting for validation. funny and seems it is forgotten.
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Message 72508 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 9:55:28 UTC - in response to Message 72490.  

.....
He has already been told this many times, but he does not seem to be willing to unsderstand !
Excuse my bluntness - I just had to say it ...
Have a nice day


Look here old chap,

Your bluntness cannot be excused.
I understand fairly well how MW@H should work (also thanks to the useful comments from other contributors here). However, it's pretty obvious that the project does not work as intended at the moment, does it?
Now, some of these inconclusive WUs started to appear in the 'error' pile (several hundred of these already) as 'timed out - no response'. They are not going to be 'validated at some point', are they? That's what I call a pure waste of my time and resources.
In my opinion, it's useful when there is a problem to point that out. Whether the admins want or can solve it is another matter.
From my 'non-understanding' point of view, the admins should have canceled (deleted, purged... as a more knowledgeable person you can insert the right term here) all these compromised tasks and started with completely new and fresh WUs. Instead, they are circulating millions of these WUs from a month ago again and again through the hosts resulting in the current waste of time and money.

So, I'd suggest that, if you don't have anything useful to contribute, just keep your comments to yourself.
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