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Message 73230 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 2:38:44 UTC - in response to Message 73221.  

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Yes with no file the default is zero. According to Peter though if you haven't upgraded from past versions the 'new' default is one but since I have just installed the latest version over the top of the old ones he says I won't see that.

I have another "stupid" question:
What is ment by newest version ?
Version of what ?
I have BM 7.16.20
If something else is ment, then how can I get it ?
... cheers

7.16.20 is the latest official version. To get the one I have, 7.19.0 which fixes some annoying bugs, you have to know people.

It's not downloadable anywhere, unless you want to compile it yourself. Send me a private message with your email address if you want me to send the the exe files for Windows. You just replace what you have. I can't do that for Linux/Mac.
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Message 73231 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 4:56:40 UTC - in response to Message 73229.  

... I think the ingrained default is 0. The default that's in the file which should always be there and appears when you install it is 1 (or has been in recent times - perhaps they changed the default by adding a 1 to the file placed there when you install it). The only computer I have with no file is one that got corrupted somehow. Now that uses all 4 GPUs, but they're identical GPUs. I might remember to come here and tell you what happens when I move a different one over to it later.

Strange.
When I installed BM there was no cc_config in the ProgramData file that was automatically installed.
On none of my rigs.
I had to create one in order to add the following 5 lines:
<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
These set of lines will be merged by the system with the standard cc_config - that is what I understood.
Had to add the use_all_gpus 1 in order to get more than one GPU working in each rig.
I have never had any trouble using this setup.

Thanks for the infos.
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Message 73232 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 4:59:53 UTC - in response to Message 73231.  
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... I think the ingrained default is 0. The default that's in the file which should always be there and appears when you install it is 1 (or has been in recent times - perhaps they changed the default by adding a 1 to the file placed there when you install it). The only computer I have with no file is one that got corrupted somehow. Now that uses all 4 GPUs, but they're identical GPUs. I might remember to come here and tell you what happens when I move a different one over to it later.
Strange.
When I installed BM there was no cc_config in the ProgramData file that was automatically installed.
On none of my rigs.
I had to create one in order to add the following 5 lines:
<cc_config>
<options>
<use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
</options>
</cc_config>
These set of lines will be merged by the system with the standard cc_config - that is what I understood.
Had to add the use_all_gpus 1 in order to get more than one GPU working in each rig.
I have never had any trouble using this setup.

Thanks for the infos.
One of mine was empty and I assumed I'd broken the file. But this is an example of what the other 6 look like:


<cc_config>
    <log_flags>
        <file_xfer>1</file_xfer>
        <sched_ops>1</sched_ops>
        <task>1</task>
        <app_msg_receive>0</app_msg_receive>
        <app_msg_send>0</app_msg_send>
        <async_file_debug>0</async_file_debug>
        <benchmark_debug>0</benchmark_debug>
        <checkpoint_debug>0</checkpoint_debug>
        <coproc_debug>0</coproc_debug>
        <cpu_sched>0</cpu_sched>
        <cpu_sched_debug>0</cpu_sched_debug>
        <cpu_sched_status>0</cpu_sched_status>
        <dcf_debug>0</dcf_debug>
        <disk_usage_debug>0</disk_usage_debug>
        <file_xfer_debug>0</file_xfer_debug>
        <gui_rpc_debug>0</gui_rpc_debug>
        <heartbeat_debug>0</heartbeat_debug>
        <http_debug>0</http_debug>
        <http_xfer_debug>0</http_xfer_debug>
        <idle_detection_debug>0</idle_detection_debug>
        <mem_usage_debug>0</mem_usage_debug>
        <network_status_debug>0</network_status_debug>
        <notice_debug>0</notice_debug>
        <poll_debug>0</poll_debug>
        <priority_debug>0</priority_debug>
        <proxy_debug>0</proxy_debug>
        <rr_simulation>0</rr_simulation>
        <rrsim_detail>0</rrsim_detail>
        <sched_op_debug>0</sched_op_debug>
        <scrsave_debug>0</scrsave_debug>
        <slot_debug>0</slot_debug>
        <state_debug>0</state_debug>
        <statefile_debug>0</statefile_debug>
        <suspend_debug>0</suspend_debug>
        <task_debug>0</task_debug>
        <time_debug>0</time_debug>
        <trickle_debug>0</trickle_debug>
        <unparsed_xml>0</unparsed_xml>
        <work_fetch_debug>0</work_fetch_debug>
    </log_flags>
    <options>
        <abort_jobs_on_exit>0</abort_jobs_on_exit>
        <allow_gui_rpc_get>0</allow_gui_rpc_get>
        <allow_multiple_clients>0</allow_multiple_clients>
        <allow_remote_gui_rpc>0</allow_remote_gui_rpc>
        <disallow_attach>0</disallow_attach>
        <dont_check_file_sizes>0</dont_check_file_sizes>
        <dont_contact_ref_site>0</dont_contact_ref_site>
        <lower_client_priority>0</lower_client_priority>
        <dont_suspend_nci>0</dont_suspend_nci>
        <dont_use_vbox>0</dont_use_vbox>
        <dont_use_wsl>0</dont_use_wsl>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
        <device_num>0</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://boincvm.proxyma.ru:30080/test4vm/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
        <app>einstein_O3AS</app>
    </exclude_gpu>
        <exclusive_app>Fallout4.exe</exclusive_app>
        <exit_after_finish>0</exit_after_finish>
        <exit_before_start>0</exit_before_start>
        <exit_when_idle>0</exit_when_idle>
        <fetch_minimal_work>0</fetch_minimal_work>
        <fetch_on_update>0</fetch_on_update>
        <force_auth>default</force_auth>
        <http_1_0>0</http_1_0>
        <http_transfer_timeout>300</http_transfer_timeout>
        <http_transfer_timeout_bps>10</http_transfer_timeout_bps>
        <ignore_ati_dev>10</ignore_ati_dev>
        <max_event_log_lines>2000</max_event_log_lines>
        <max_file_xfers>8</max_file_xfers>
        <max_file_xfers_per_project>2</max_file_xfers_per_project>
        <max_stderr_file_size>0.000000</max_stderr_file_size>
        <max_stdout_file_size>0.000000</max_stdout_file_size>
        <max_tasks_reported>0</max_tasks_reported>
        <ncpus>-1</ncpus>
        <no_alt_platform>0</no_alt_platform>
        <no_gpus>0</no_gpus>
        <no_info_fetch>0</no_info_fetch>
        <no_opencl>0</no_opencl>
        <no_priority_change>0</no_priority_change>
        <os_random_only>0</os_random_only>
        <process_priority>-1</process_priority>
        <process_priority_special>-1</process_priority_special>
<proxy_info>
    <socks_server_name></socks_server_name>
    <socks_server_port>80</socks_server_port>
    <http_server_name></http_server_name>
    <http_server_port>80</http_server_port>
    <socks5_user_name></socks5_user_name>
    <socks5_user_passwd></socks5_user_passwd>
    <socks5_remote_dns>0</socks5_remote_dns>
    <http_user_name></http_user_name>
    <http_user_passwd></http_user_passwd>
    <no_proxy></no_proxy>
    <no_autodetect>0</no_autodetect>
</proxy_info>
        <rec_half_life_days>10.000000</rec_half_life_days>
        <report_results_immediately>0</report_results_immediately>
        <run_apps_manually>0</run_apps_manually>
        <save_stats_days>30</save_stats_days>
        <skip_cpu_benchmarks>0</skip_cpu_benchmarks>
        <simple_gui_only>0</simple_gui_only>
        <start_delay>0.000000</start_delay>
        <stderr_head>0</stderr_head>
        <suppress_net_info>0</suppress_net_info>
        <unsigned_apps_ok>0</unsigned_apps_ok>
        <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
        <use_certs>0</use_certs>
        <use_certs_only>0</use_certs_only>
        <vbox_window>0</vbox_window>
    </options>
</cc_config>

I have no idea what most of that means, so I can't have put it there. We're talking about cc_config.xml in c:\programdata\boinc, right?
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Message 73233 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 5:01:48 UTC - in response to Message 73232.  

@Peter:
... even stranger - maybe a new feature of your version of BM ?
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Message 73234 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 5:02:22 UTC - in response to Message 73233.  

@Peter:
... even stranger - maybe a new feature of your version of BM ?

No, it was the same before that one.
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Message 73235 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 6:23:22 UTC - in response to Message 73234.  

@Peter:
... even stranger - maybe a new feature of your version of BM ?

No, it was the same before that one.


I wonder how the "exclude_gpu" got in there.
As far as I understand it, you are excluding certain GPUs on certain projects.

Maybe someone else can help to explain ...
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Message 73236 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 6:23:28 UTC

Every BOINC version shipped before 7.16.20 never included a cc_config.xml file.
But it is extremely easy to automatically create one.
Just toggle on any other logging flag for the Event Log in the Manager >> Options >> Event Log options menu, besides the default ones, and a new, fully populated cc_config.xml is automatically created.
Then you can just untoggle what you switched on temporarily and be back to default logging. Though I recommend leaving sched_op_debug on because it will tell you how many seconds of work you are requesting every scheduler connection which is good to know for work fetch debugging.
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Message 73237 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 6:28:21 UTC - in response to Message 73235.  

@Peter:
... even stranger - maybe a new feature of your version of BM ?
No, it was the same before that one.
I wonder how the "exclude_gpu" got in there.
As far as I understand it, you are excluding certain GPUs on certain projects.

Maybe someone else can help to explain ...
If you mean this:

    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
        <device_num>0</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://boincvm.proxyma.ru:30080/test4vm/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
        <app>einstein_O3AS</app>
    </exclude_gpu>
        <exclusive_app>Fallout4.exe</exclusive_app>
Then I put that bit in there. The last line is to pause Boinc when I'm shooting people post nuclear war and the rest put projects on specific GPUs.

But the likes of this is not my doing:

        <rec_half_life_days>10.000000</rec_half_life_days>
        <report_results_immediately>0</report_results_immediately>
        <run_apps_manually>0</run_apps_manually>
        <save_stats_days>30</save_stats_days>
        <skip_cpu_benchmarks>0</skip_cpu_benchmarks>
        <simple_gui_only>0</simple_gui_only>
        <start_delay>0.000000</start_delay>
        <stderr_head>0</stderr_head>
        <suppress_net_info>0</suppress_net_info>
        <unsigned_apps_ok>0</unsigned_apps_ok>
        <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
        <use_certs>0</use_certs>
        <use_certs_only>0</use_certs_only>
        <vbox_window>0</vbox_window>
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Message 73238 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 10:15:51 UTC - in response to Message 73221.  
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Yes with no file the default is zero. According to Peter though if you haven't upgraded from past versions the 'new' default is one but since I have just installed the latest version over the top of the old ones he says I won't see that.

I have another "stupid" question:
What is ment by newest version ?
Version of what ?
I have BM 7.16.20
If something else is ment, then how can I get it ?
... cheers


Yes it means Boinc Manager, most of us have just upgraded over the years to newer versions installing them right over the top of the older versions already on our pc's, a few people though are 'newbies' so when they install Boinc for the first time there is no remains of the older versions hanging around. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other with this setting, it's the default in the cc_config file I put on every new OS install anyway
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Message 73239 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 10:19:03 UTC - in response to Message 73237.  

@Peter:
... even stranger - maybe a new feature of your version of BM ?
No, it was the same before that one.
I wonder how the "exclude_gpu" got in there.
As far as I understand it, you are excluding certain GPUs on certain projects.

Maybe someone else can help to explain ...
If you mean this:

    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/</url>
        <device_num>0</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://boincvm.proxyma.ru:30080/test4vm/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://numberfields.asu.edu/NumberFields/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
    </exclude_gpu>
    <exclude_gpu>
        <url>http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/</url>
        <device_num>1</device_num>
        <app>einstein_O3AS</app>
    </exclude_gpu>
        <exclusive_app>Fallout4.exe</exclusive_app>
Then I put that bit in there. The last line is to pause Boinc when I'm shooting people post nuclear war and the rest put projects on specific GPUs.

But the likes of this is not my doing:

        <rec_half_life_days>10.000000</rec_half_life_days>
        <report_results_immediately>0</report_results_immediately>
        <run_apps_manually>0</run_apps_manually>
        <save_stats_days>30</save_stats_days>
        <skip_cpu_benchmarks>0</skip_cpu_benchmarks>
        <simple_gui_only>0</simple_gui_only>
        <start_delay>0.000000</start_delay>
        <stderr_head>0</stderr_head>
        <suppress_net_info>0</suppress_net_info>
        <unsigned_apps_ok>0</unsigned_apps_ok>
        <use_all_gpus>1</use_all_gpus>
        <use_certs>0</use_certs>
        <use_certs_only>0</use_certs_only>
        <vbox_window>0</vbox_window>


Yes the last part is some of the default settings in Boinc that could be changed if someone thinks it will make Boinc work better for them, I did not know that the use_all_gpus line was in there, thanks!
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Message 73242 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 10:37:48 UTC - in response to Message 73238.  

Yes it means Boinc Manager, most of us have just upgraded over the years to newer versions installing them right over the top of the older versions already on our pc's, a few people though are 'newbies' so when they install Boinc for the first time there is no remains of the older versions hanging around. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other with this setting, it's the default in the cc_config file I put on every new OS install anyway
Or it's an extra machine they got after the last version came out. Or the disk exploded and was reinstalled from scratch. Or somebody stole the computer and it got returned.
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Message 73243 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 10:39:46 UTC - in response to Message 73239.  

Yes the last part is some of the default settings in Boinc that could be changed if someone thinks it will make Boinc work better for them, I did not know that the use_all_gpus line was in there, thanks!
There's tonnes of options here for anyone that didn't know:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration - easy to find in google, just type "boinc configuration" or "boinc config".
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Message 73246 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 16:17:17 UTC

Can someone check on the leftover WUs that still need to be validated, and look at a couple things for me? I'd like to know what the following values are for these WUs:

1) server_state
2) outcome
3) client_state
4) validate_state
5) need_validate

This should be found in a combination of the "result" and the "WU" information. I'm not sure what things look like on the client. If you send some links to a few of these WUs that might be the most helpful since I can directly compare these stuck WUs with the freely-flowing WUs.

Then, hopefully, I can manually force these WUs to generate new validation WUs, but I can do it ~10k WUs at a time or some other reasonable number so that we don't blow up the server.
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Message 73247 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 16:18:15 UTC - in response to Message 73246.  

I'll basically be running this re-validation script that BOINC provides but being more particular about what WUs we are asking to be re-validated. https://gitlab.camras.nl/matthieu/boinc/-/blob/wrapper/26014/html/ops/revalidate.php
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Message 73249 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 19:18:10 UTC - in response to Message 73246.  
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Can someone check on the leftover WUs that still need to be validated, and look at a couple things for me? I'd like to know what the following values are for these WUs:

1) server_state
2) outcome
3) client_state
4) validate_state
5) need_validate

This should be found in a combination of the "result" and the "WU" information. I'm not sure what things look like on the client. If you send some links to a few of these WUs that might be the most helpful since I can directly compare these stuck WUs with the freely-flowing WUs.

Then, hopefully, I can manually force these WUs to generate new validation WUs, but I can do it ~10k WUs at a time or some other reasonable number so that we don't blow up the server.

Tom,

I presume you're referring to the work units that are stalled because of a "Didn't need" result. In the simplest case (first result returned, second result marked "Didn't need" I see the following:
Server state 	Over
Outcome 	Success
Client state 	Done
Validate state 	Checked, but no consensus yet
Those are the only fields I can see as an end user - unsure what that "need_validate" value you mentioned is :-) ...

The "Didn't need" results have the following:
Server state 	Over
Outcome 	Didn't need
Client state 	New
Validate state 	Initial

Those settings look good for what you are trying to do - the PHP script you referenced in your follow-up post will ignore the "Didn't need" result (validate_state=0) and give the work unit a kick - transitioner should then do what you want!

Trying to clear out some/all of these before the transitioner hits the "safety net" time on these work units (and kicks them all back to life at once?) is probably a good idea :-) So, good luck finding a search that works without confusing the database!

Cheers - Al.

P.S. I've just read your latest comments over in the Number crunching forum... I think that script may re-validate results for work units that have a canonical result if your query simply selects on work units with a "Didn't need" result -- even with my small total of valid NBody tasks I've helped validate previously stalled tasks that unstalled when the original result returned something after deadline, so I guess there'll be a lot more in the same situation!
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Message 73250 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 20:03:30 UTC - in response to Message 73249.  

Tom,

If you want a small sample of work units to try with that PHP script, the following consecutive work units are a random selection from those where I sent in the initial result and then got blocked. These are 4 of 47, so I'm not exactly inconvenienced by them being stuck, but I can offer feedback on what happens next... :-)

415099432 to 415099435


I've no doubt other users might chip in with much larger sets to sample from; I'd just like to help get this moving if I can!

Cheers - Al.
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Message 73251 - Posted: 2 May 2022, 20:41:30 UTC - in response to Message 73246.  
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Can someone check on the leftover WUs that still need to be validated, and look at a couple things for me? I'd like to know what the following values are for these WUs:

1) server_state
2) outcome
3) client_state
4) validate_state
5) need_validate

This should be found in a combination of the "result" and the "WU" information. I'm not sure what things look like on the client. If you send some links to a few of these WUs that might be the most helpful since I can directly compare these stuck WUs with the freely-flowing WUs.

Then, hopefully, I can manually force these WUs to generate new validation WUs, but I can do it ~10k WUs at a time or some other reasonable number so that we don't blow up the server.


ALL of my tasks that are waiting to be validated from the last 5 days, except the ones from February last year that are just stuck forever, are _0 tasks sent out in the last 5 days, I have:
In progress (1143) · Validation pending (10) · Validation inconclusive (1263) · Valid (5563). Most of the In Progress tasks are _0 tasks as well though I do have a smattering of _1 and _2 and the rare _3 task that I see.

One thing I've wondered is that if there is a way to prioritize the _1 etc tasks by say giving them a shorter deadline to encourage them to be crunched more quickly thus reducing the Validation Inconclusive tasks others have? I think over time it would even out between who's first and who gets the validator task especially since not every tasks needs one, but since there's no benefit to being first here it really doesn't matter, except to get the tasks in and then back out of the database again as quickly as possible while maintaining the integrity of the tasks.
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Message 73256 - Posted: 3 May 2022, 8:39:56 UTC

Looks like we can finally expect to start seeing progress with all those N-Body inconclusives. I just got a batch of wingman tasks that were initially processed way back in mid-March but flagged as inconclusive and after the purge the wingman tasks were labeled as "Didn't need". Example task https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=390676029. I've even validated others' tasks from back in March that were "Didn't need". For example https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=390754804

The total tasks ready to send for N-Body has jumped to almost 12 million but that's OK, if the user base stays as high as it is now it should take weeks not months to get through. It seems like probably the only way to get everything validated is to process all those original 14 million tasks that got created after disk reconstruction. I suspected there may be consequences from cancelling all of those tasks. We're back to the original solution: Gotta Crunch 'Em All!
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Message 73257 - Posted: 3 May 2022, 8:45:18 UTC - in response to Message 73256.  

If it's in the Boinc Pentathlon, they'll go in a week. I only know Universe is in it so far, not sure what the other 4 disciplines are. Milkyway hasn't been there since 2010 so I'm not hopeful.
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Message 73258 - Posted: 3 May 2022, 10:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 73246.  

Can someone check on the leftover WUs that still need to be validated, and look at a couple things for me? I'd like to know what the following values are for these WUs:

1) server_state
2) outcome
3) client_state
4) validate_state
5) need_validate

This should be found in a combination of the "result" and the "WU" information. I'm not sure what things look like on the client. If you send some links to a few of these WUs that might be the most helpful since I can directly compare these stuck WUs with the freely-flowing WUs.

Then, hopefully, I can manually force these WUs to generate new validation WUs, but I can do it ~10k WUs at a time or some other reasonable number so that we don't blow up the server.


https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=412567034
https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=413057030
https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=413674439
https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=414290323
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