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Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
Science isn't just about computing. There are supercomputers 100 times more powerful than Milkyway@home, there are more researchers using powerful supercomputers than those use BOINC. Because grant money is written to specifically prevent that But the scientific impact is less than what you'd expect. The only program you can profit from running it right now is cryptocurrency, and yeah, it does change the world by accelerating climate change. Just as well I'm an atheist.[/quote] You can be anything you like, crypto currency includes Gridcoins which I know you get, I get them as well. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
But it's paying for computer equipment and electricity, surely a grant can pay for that.So they must have the money to pay for the electricity and using that expensive supercomputer. So why can't we get in on a bit of that?Because grant money is written to specifically prevent that I meant an atheist of climate change :-PYou can be anything you like, crypto currency includes Gridcoins which I know you get, I get them as well.But the scientific impact is less than what you'd expect. The only program you can profit from running it right now is cryptocurrency, and yeah, it does change the world by accelerating climate change.Just as well I'm an atheist. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Sorry about that, I've restarted systems. I'm in the middle of 3 weeks of work-related travel, so I'm afraid I'm not as attentive as I would be if I were at RPI! |
Send message Joined: 8 Nov 11 Posts: 205 Credit: 2,900,464 RAC: 0 |
Thanks |
Send message Joined: 13 Dec 17 Posts: 46 Credit: 2,421,362,376 RAC: 0 |
Where these 11 million N-body tasks came from?! I thought that mess was cleared uu bu apparently not.... |
Send message Joined: 20 Feb 22 Posts: 12 Credit: 16,852,000 RAC: 23 |
Sorry about that, I've restarted systems. Safe Travels! And thanks for getting it up and running again. I can see that stuff has refreshed, WU's can now be reported, and new ones sent out. |
Send message Joined: 5 Oct 13 Posts: 9 Credit: 1,010,342,811 RAC: 0 |
Well, based on the number of Nbody WUs that are waiting to be sent, it looks like the WUs that need re-validation were kicked back to the surface! I'm going to let things run. If you wind up with problems getting work, please let me know and I will figure something out. It seems to be working right, the nbody wus I'm receiving are the wingmen of wus crunched before April 20. Hope someone is crunching my wingmen's :) |
Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 |
just now got 100 n body tasks. all _2. wohoo!! |
Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 |
Oh Happy Day! I am pleased to report that one of my 'don't need' tasks has been validated and credit issued! |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
So they must have the money to pay for the electricity and using that expensive supercomputer. So why can't we get in on a bit of that?Because grant money is written to specifically prevent that I think that would be ripe for cheating and you and I would still never see a nickel But the scientific impact is less than what you'd expect. The only program you can profit from running it right now is cryptocurrency, and yeah, it does change the world by accelerating climate change.Just as well I'm an atheist. That's okay too, it probably means you are more aware of the associated costs of things as opposed to the person buying a hybrid vehicle with stars in their eyes and dreams of using solar panels to charge it. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
Well, based on the number of Nbody WUs that are waiting to be sent, it looks like the WUs that need re-validation were kicked back to the surface! I'm going to let things run. If you wind up with problems getting work, please let me know and I will figure something out. I probably aborted a few of them myself, they had run for between 2 and 3 days and still had a LONG LONG way to go. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
I don't see why it's any easier to cheat there than anywhere else with grants. I've used grant money to buy a GPU for playing games at work!But it's paying for computer equipment and electricity, surely a grant can pay for that.I think that would be ripe for cheating and you and I would still never see a nickel I quote from Doctor Rodney McKay of Stargate Atlantis :-) "A solar panel is only good for charging a golf cart"I meant an atheist of climate change :-PThat's okay too, it probably means you are more aware of the associated costs of things as opposed to the person buying a hybrid vehicle with stars in their eyes and dreams of using solar panels to charge it. As I've said before, we're already consuming all the green energy that's made. If we add more load to the system to charge cars, they'll have to up the coal/gas/oil fired stations outputs. Plus there's the rare Lithium mining for the batteries, which is very harmful to the workers, and it's running out. What we need is more nuclear stations and more research into fusion etc. |
Send message Joined: 28 Feb 22 Posts: 16 Credit: 2,400,538 RAC: 0 |
In a few generations, all cars will be electric since fossil fuels can't last forever. Even hydrogen cars require a small high-voltage battery to power an electric motor. Since it takes a couple generations to change the infrastructure of the world, science nerds who care about the future economy are starting now, and hybrids use LESS coal/gas/oil than normal cars. We need to work out the issues such as getting enough lithium fast enough (and recycling the lithium we have), or perhaps eventually using various different battery technologies. Yes, there is a current shortage of lithium due to sudden increased demand, but the world is not running out. Solar power is currently cheaper than electricity from fossil fuels where I live (there is plenty of Sun). This includes the cost of purchasing and installing the solar panels. When uranium and fossil fuels are used up (in maybe several generations), pumped storage hydropower could store backup power from various renewable energy sources such as solar. Because diversification is good, batteries can also be used. It's not good to stereotype people who are laying the groundwork for the future as "starry eyed". The future is tricky because there is no clear or simple answer. Likely, there are many good answers that need to be explored. These advanced technologies need time to develop and mature. Heck, some solutions are simple. Some small percentage of human population can heat their homes in the winter burning dead trees found in forests, reducing the risk of forest fires. Ocean rise displacing half a billion people reducing the population capacity of the Earth isn't a practical solution. I do agree that fission (and the Allam cycle) are short-term solutions. LFTRs, if we could figure them out, would be a mid-term solution. The only certain long-term solution is renewable energy. If we are lucky, we can eventually figure out how to get self-sustaining tritium supply to power a fusion reactor that doesn't cost more to build and maintain than the value of the electricity it produces. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
I don't see why it's any easier to cheat there than anywhere else with grants. I've used grant money to buy a GPU for playing games at work!But it's paying for computer equipment and electricity, surely a grant can pay for that.I think that would be ripe for cheating and you and I would still never see a nickel I agree but even my electric company is allowed to build up to 10% of the total usage in solar panels, with all the people moving the beach that means more and more solar panels every year!! AND they now allow customers to 'purchase' a solar panel that is then built on the electric companies property and belongs to them but they give you the money back in the form of a rebate every month for 20 years. As I've said before, we're already consuming all the green energy that's made. If we add more load to the system to charge cars, they'll have to up the coal/gas/oil fired stations outputs. Plus there's the rare Lithium mining for the batteries, which is very harmful to the workers, and it's running out. I agree small nuke plants in each neighborhood would involve such small amounts of nuclear material that any accident would be negligible, they could cool them thru well dug ground loop stuff so they just work forever. They've been running them on satellites for a LONG time and for subs and ships for longer than that. China is doing alot of research on fusion right now but I'm not sure they are dependable enough to share what they are learning without alot of strings attached. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
In a few generations, all cars will be electric since fossil fuels can't last forever. Even hydrogen cars require a small high-voltage battery to power an electric motor. Since it takes a couple generations to change the infrastructure of the world, science nerds who care about the future economy are starting now, and hybrids use LESS coal/gas/oil than normal cars. We need to work out the issues such as getting enough lithium fast enough (and recycling the lithium we have), or perhaps eventually using various different battery technologies. Yes, there is a current shortage of lithium due to sudden increased demand, but the world is not running out. It's not good to stereotype people who are laying the groundwork for the future as "starry eyed". The future is tricky because there is no clear or simple answer. Likely, there are many good answers that need to be explored. These advanced technologies need time to develop and mature. Heck, some solutions are simple. Some small percentage of human population can heat their homes in the winter burning dead trees found in forests, reducing the risk of forest fires. Ocean rise displacing half a billion people reducing the population capacity of the Earth isn't a practical solution. I agree with what you said but the "starry eyed" part was meant for people who have no clue what's behind the curtain when they buy a hybrid vehicle 'because it's better for the environment'. I read most of a story the other day about things like "pumped storage" here: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226210/energy-renewables-materials-mining-environment-neodymium-copper-lithium-cobalt I can't find the other article on things like using compressed air pumped into caves, that don't leak, and then taking it back out when they need the power generation. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
In a few generations, all cars will be electric since fossil fuels can't last forever. Even hydrogen cars require a small high-voltage battery to power an electric motor. Since it takes a couple generations to change the infrastructure of the world, science nerds who care about the future economy are starting now, and hybrids use LESS coal/gas/oil than normal cars. We need to work out the issues such as getting enough lithium fast enough (and recycling the lithium we have), or perhaps eventually using various different battery technologies. Yes, there is a current shortage of lithium due to sudden increased demand, but the world is not running out.The world is running out. To make every car we currently have use electric right now would use two thirds of the lithium up. Solar power is currently cheaper than electricity from fossil fuels where I live (there is plenty of Sun).Lucky you, here it's about 5 times more expensive. We just use wind power. It's always bloody windy. It's not good to stereotype people who are laying the groundwork for the future as "starry eyed".I just use whatever is cheapest. Cheapest also means most sensible. If it costs twice as much to recycle, then recycling is a bad idea, it means you're using energy or something to do that recycling, hence the cost. I do agree that fission (and the Allam cycle) are short-term solutions. LFTRs, if we could figure them out, would be a mid-term solution. The only certain long-term solution is renewable energy. If we are lucky, we can eventually figure out how to get self-sustaining tritium supply to power a fusion reactor that doesn't cost more to build and maintain than the value of the electricity it produces.Fission is very long term, that won't run out for bloody ages. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
China is doing alot of research on fusion right now but I'm not sure they are dependable enough to share what they are learning without alot of strings attached.Considering everything I've bought from China has either fallen apart or is a fifth of what's advertised, no, best to stay clear of those scammers. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
I can't find the other article on things like using compressed air pumped into caves, that don't leak, and then taking it back out when they need the power generation.Hmmm I don't believe that's possible. I doubt a cave would be leak proof at high pressure. And even if you used big scuba tanks, compressors ain't efficient. Well mine isn't. But then it's Chinese. |
Send message Joined: 13 Dec 17 Posts: 46 Credit: 2,421,362,376 RAC: 0 |
Well, 'caves' (aka underground cavities) can very well be gas-tight, that's where the natural gas comes from. |
Send message Joined: 27 Aug 20 Posts: 6 Credit: 39,683,314 RAC: 0 |
The "N-Body" tasks that I have been given take from 5hrs to 15hrs to complete. This is with 16 processors on each task. Here is the thing though: On some N-Body tasks, they will hang and even say (example 10 hrs Elapsed 4270 DAYS remaining) I have noticed that when I reboot my computer this clears right up and 4270 days remaining drops to 9mins remaining. My workaround on this matter? I have set up TASK SCHEDULAR and have it running 8 hour reboots everyday until hell freezes over. (if you are from that small town in Michigan, then lets say until electricity ends) At this time I don't think this affects anything from getting WU done. This is a new computer to me, I just built it, E5 2699v3 (x2) 36 core 72 thread, 128Gb ram 6TB storage, a cheap assed video card, because this ain't a gaming rig and I don't do GPU tasks. |
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