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Message 73542 - Posted: 16 May 2022, 3:14:42 UTC - in response to Message 73537.  

I hope you can get back up really soon again!!


I have 4 (could be 5 if I change an NVME to an SSD) computers in the garage that I can plug GPUs into. I think the best way is if I keep like with like. I think 4 Tahitis on one machine, 1 Tahiti that doesn't like that machine on another machine, 1 Baffin on another machine, 1 6990 on another machine. A Fury and a Tahiti in the lounge for games etc.


I don't typically have multiple gpu's in one pc, it cuts back on the number of cpu cores I have crunching, a single gpu in each machine means more cpu cores and therefore more project choices to run Boinc.


No it doesn't. If I stick 6 GPUs in one PC leaving the other 5 without one, or stick one GPU in each, I end up using the same number of CPU cores. and it's easier to have them all together as they use the same queue.


Ah but it limits my ability to use the shotgun approach to gpu crunching, ie one ot two gpu's on each project, I HATE app_config files with exclude gpu x from this or that project. YES I do admit it is limiting when things like the Pentathlon come along and I have to connect a monitor and mouse cable to each pc as I make adjustments to them. YES I know I can do it thru VNC but it's not working after sitting for a year so I guess I have to update that software too. After the Pentathlon I will have some breathing time, and my 3880X based pc home and be able to set up my pc room like I want it to be instead of hap haphazardly but working like it is right now. I also have cat6 cable to replace all the cat5 cables I'm using right now and a cat8 cable to connect the hub to the wall.
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Message 73543 - Posted: 16 May 2022, 3:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 73538.  

'I'm not dicking with that crap code for days trying to make it work. I've already been down that road. I will not spend another minute of my time on BOINC.'

- 'Texstar', founder of PCLinuxOS in reply to a question as to why Boinc isn't found in the distro's repository
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You can still add the Boinc Linux repository manually if you want too: ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc

or thru the command line: add-apt-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc
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Message 73548 - Posted: 16 May 2022, 6:58:47 UTC - in response to Message 73542.  

Ah but it limits my ability to use the shotgun approach to gpu crunching, ie one ot two gpu's on each project, I HATE app_config files with exclude gpu x from this or that project. YES I do admit it is limiting when things like the Pentathlon come along and I have to connect a monitor and mouse cable to each pc as I make adjustments to them. YES I know I can do it thru VNC but it's not working after sitting for a year so I guess I have to update that software too. After the Pentathlon I will have some breathing time, and my 3880X based pc home and be able to set up my pc room like I want it to be instead of hap haphazardly but working like it is right now. I also have cat6 cable to replace all the cat5 cables I'm using right now and a cat8 cable to connect the hub to the wall.
Boinc should allow you to control which GPU does which thing without using text files. Configuration by text was what we did back in the days of DOS and Windows 3.

I use Remote Utilities, it's free and I never have a problem with it. I can't use the built in Microsoft one as it stops the GPU crunching! How did they manage to screw that up?

Why use cat 6? I just bought a 20m cat 8 cable for about a dollar a metre. It's rated at 40 Gbit! Futureproof and less prone to any interference.
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Message 73549 - Posted: 16 May 2022, 6:59:32 UTC - in response to Message 73543.  

You can still add the Boinc Linux repository manually if you want too: ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc

or thru the command line: add-apt-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc
Or in Windows just install it.
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Message 73550 - Posted: 16 May 2022, 11:17:14 UTC - in response to Message 73548.  

Ah but it limits my ability to use the shotgun approach to gpu crunching, ie one ot two gpu's on each project, I HATE app_config files with exclude gpu x from this or that project. YES I do admit it is limiting when things like the Pentathlon come along and I have to connect a monitor and mouse cable to each pc as I make adjustments to them. YES I know I can do it thru VNC but it's not working after sitting for a year so I guess I have to update that software too. After the Pentathlon I will have some breathing time, and my 3880X based pc home and be able to set up my pc room like I want it to be instead of hap haphazardly but working like it is right now. I also have cat6 cable to replace all the cat5 cables I'm using right now and a cat8 cable to connect the hub to the wall.
Boinc should allow you to control which GPU does which thing without using text files. Configuration by text was what we did back in the days of DOS and Windows 3.

I use Remote Utilities, it's free and I never have a problem with it. I can't use the built in Microsoft one as it stops the GPU crunching! How did they manage to screw that up?


They learned to code from Microsoft back in the DOS and very early Windows days, yes they have brought some things forward but I think the stuff you are talking about was supposed to be in the upgrade that's now 'on hold'.

Why use cat 6? I just bought a 20m cat 8 cable for about a dollar a metre. It's rated at 40 Gbit! Futureproof and less prone to any interference.


Because I bought it cheap at an estate auction and I have a whole box full of cables, yes I too can get the cat8 cables cheaply but even my isp doesn't provide me speeds that can use that as I'm not paying them over $1k a month JUST for 1gb internet. I pay enough to get 500mb internet and cable tv as it is. An no I can't go streaming because my wife has her shows that are only on cable tv.
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Message 73551 - Posted: 16 May 2022, 11:19:47 UTC - in response to Message 73549.  

You can still add the Boinc Linux repository manually if you want too: ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc

or thru the command line: add-apt-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc


Or in Windows just install it.


Oh that doesn't install the latest version of Boinc that just lets it show up in the search box when you look for new and updated apps.
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Message 73555 - Posted: 17 May 2022, 4:48:43 UTC - in response to Message 73550.  

Because I bought it cheap at an estate auction and I have a whole box full of cables, yes I too can get the cat8 cables cheaply but even my isp doesn't provide me speeds that can use that as I'm not paying them over $1k a month JUST for 1gb internet. I pay enough to get 500mb internet and cable tv as it is. An no I can't go streaming because my wife has her shows that are only on cable tv.
I like the fast cable between my own machines for installing software etc.
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Message 73556 - Posted: 17 May 2022, 4:49:40 UTC - in response to Message 73551.  

You can still add the Boinc Linux repository manually if you want too: ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc

or thru the command line: add-apt-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc


Or in Windows just install it.


Oh that doesn't install the latest version of Boinc that just lets it show up in the search box when you look for new and updated apps.
Ugh, that horrid repository crap is what you get on phones. I just want to go to the Boinc site and download it.
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Message 73559 - Posted: 17 May 2022, 11:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 73556.  

You can still add the Boinc Linux repository manually if you want too: ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc

or thru the command line: add-apt-repository ppa:costamagnagianfranco/boinc


Or in Windows just install it.


Oh that doesn't install the latest version of Boinc that just lets it show up in the search box when you look for new and updated apps.


Ugh, that horrid repository crap is what you get on phones. I just want to go to the Boinc site and download it.


You can do that too, it just means command line stuff and I'm too old to remember all the syntax's anymore so have everything written down on how to do it, now finding it is the problem.
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Message 73573 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 1:16:03 UTC - in response to Message 73559.  

Ugh, that horrid repository crap is what you get on phones. I just want to go to the Boinc site and download it.
You can do that too, it just means command line stuff and I'm too old to remember all the syntax's anymore so have everything written down on how to do it, now finding it is the problem.
Can you see why I prefer Windows? Click link on Boinc site, it downloads. Click on it in downloaded list in browser, it installs. That's two clicks. No command line, no changing settings, no permissions, just do it. Linux hasn't got any better in the last 20 years. It's a badly written piece of rubbish by a programmer in someone's shed, much like Boinc.
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Message 73574 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 1:18:04 UTC

Oh no not again.....

Seperation for GPU:

1st request: 0 tasks
2nd request: 0 tasks
3rd request: 0 tasks
4th request: 26 tasks

I usually get 900 on that machine.

We're clearing the Nbodys well, I think I'll get more cores on there in the hope the server will be happier.
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Message 73575 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 2:01:32 UTC - in response to Message 73574.  

Oh no not again.....

Seperation for GPU:

1st request: 0 tasks
2nd request: 0 tasks
3rd request: 0 tasks
4th request: 26 tasks

I usually get 900 on that machine.

We're clearing the Nbodys well, I think I'll get more cores on there in the hope the server will be happier.
Seeing the exact same thing here, except I usually get about 360 on this machine.
What in the world is going on, on the server side???
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Message 73576 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 2:40:34 UTC - in response to Message 73574.  

Oh no not again.....

Seperation for GPU:

1st request: 0 tasks
2nd request: 0 tasks
3rd request: 0 tasks
4th request: 26 tasks

I usually get 900 on that machine.

We're clearing the Nbodys well, I think I'll get more cores on there in the hope the server will be happier.


I think you should bring every single one of your cpu cores here RIGHT NOW to help clear them out!!
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Message 73577 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 2:41:47 UTC - in response to Message 73573.  

Ugh, that horrid repository crap is what you get on phones. I just want to go to the Boinc site and download it.
You can do that too, it just means command line stuff and I'm too old to remember all the syntax's anymore so have everything written down on how to do it, now finding it is the problem.


Can you see why I prefer Windows? Click link on Boinc site, it downloads. Click on it in downloaded list in browser, it installs. That's two clicks. No command line, no changing settings, no permissions, just do it. Linux hasn't got any better in the last 20 years. It's a badly written piece of rubbish by a programmer in someone's shed, much like Boinc.


yep me too but some machines just won't handle it so I do what I have to do to get them crunching
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Message 73578 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 3:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 73576.  
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I think you should bring every single one of your cpu cores here RIGHT NOW to help clear them out!!
I'd love to but the big CPUs have got GPUs running Separation. If I try to get Nbody for those CPUs, the server gives me CPU seperations! Which are tremendously slow compared to GPUs and utterly pointless. I really don't understand why we don't have more options in the server preferences. Einstein manages.

Something is making the whole server sluggish, it's taking forever just to post this message, not sure what's changed.

Although I do notice the number of seperations waiting to go out is 30000 instead of the usual 10000. Don't tell me we're going to get a huge mass of those to clear too (although that should be easier as we can do them on GPUs).
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Message 73579 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 3:20:13 UTC - in response to Message 73577.  

yep me too but some machines just won't handle it so I do what I have to do to get them crunching
You have machines that won't handle windows? WTF?
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Message 73580 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 3:21:45 UTC - in response to Message 73575.  

Seeing the exact same thing here, except I usually get about 360 on this machine.
What in the world is going on, on the server side???
With regards to your 360, you are allowed 300 per GPU, or 900 per computer. If you're not hitting those limits, try increasing the buffer size (it doesn't seem to work it out right so you might need more buffer than should be necessary). Don't bother trying now as you're currently limited by the slow server.
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Message 73584 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 10:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 73579.  

yep me too but some machines just won't handle it so I do what I have to do to get them crunching


You have machines that won't handle windows? WTF?


Yup too old or too non standard or just too ornery or I got tired of babysitting them
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Message 73585 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 10:54:50 UTC - in response to Message 73578.  

I think you should bring every single one of your cpu cores here RIGHT NOW to help clear them out!!
I'd love to but the big CPUs have got GPUs running Separation. If I try to get Nbody for those CPUs, the server gives me CPU seperations! Which are tremendously slow compared to GPUs and utterly pointless. I really don't understand why we don't have more options in the server preferences. Einstein manages.

Something is making the whole server sluggish, it's taking forever just to post this message, not sure what's changed.

Although I do notice the number of seperations waiting to go out is 30000 instead of the usual 10000. Don't tell me we're going to get a huge mass of those to clear too (although that should be easier as we can do them on GPUs).


Just keep aborting the Separation units, that's probably why people are on the 4th go round with them

Oh and yes it's really easy to add choices to the Server code, you just have to know how
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Message 73593 - Posted: 18 May 2022, 18:05:18 UTC - in response to Message 73580.  

Seeing the exact same thing here, except I usually get about 360 on this machine.
What in the world is going on, on the server side???
With regards to your 360, you are allowed 300 per GPU, or 900 per computer. If you're not hitting those limits, try increasing the buffer size (it doesn't seem to work it out right so you might need more buffer than should be necessary). Don't bother trying now as you're currently limited by the slow server.
OK will try that.
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