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![]() Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 ![]() ![]() |
12 volts won't give you an electrical shock but it can melt wires and start a fire if circuit shorted or overloaded. connectors are often the weak link. if they aren't making good contact, they can heat up, melt and/or burn. be carefulHey! I just replied to your other message and it said "wrong thread", now I can't see your message. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
Send message Joined: 12 Jun 10 Posts: 57 Credit: 6,163,587 RAC: 0 ![]() ![]() |
Bringing thread back on topic. It wasn't said what year the separation application shutdown was happening just said June 20th. Perhaps we have another year to go and it will shut down in 2024 :-) |
![]() Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 ![]() ![]() |
Bringing thread back on topic. It wasn't said what year the separation application shutdown was happening just said June 20th. Perhaps we have another year to go and it will shut down in 2024 :-)Fool, dates are different in each year, there is no June 20th next year, it'll be Saturday. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
Send message Joined: 12 Jun 10 Posts: 57 Credit: 6,163,587 RAC: 0 ![]() ![]() |
Bringing thread back on topic. It wasn't said what year the separation application shutdown was happening just said June 20th. Perhaps we have another year to go and it will shut down in 2024 :-)Fool, dates are different in each year, there is no June 20th next year, it'll be Saturday. So am I correct in saying that next year it will go from 19 June to 21 June? If this is correct this is the 1st time I have ever heard of this happening |
Send message Joined: 22 May 11 Posts: 71 Credit: 5,685,114 RAC: 176 ![]() ![]() |
P Hucker typed "no" instead of "on" Discussion header said that it will be shutting down on Tuesday, Jun 20th. Next Tuesday, Jun 20th is in 2028 |
![]() Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 618 Credit: 19,254,980 RAC: 50 ![]() ![]() |
Unfortunately n-body and separation are on the same hardware and it is not possible to pull the plug on separation without touching n-body.Every other BOINC project adds and removes applications as needed without killing the rest, this should be possible also here. All they need to do is turning off creation of new work for now. As long as there's a chance, that some parts need to be recalculated in case the reviewer requests it, it doesn't even make sense to remove the application completely from the server. ![]() |
Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 17 Credit: 222,065 RAC: 304 ![]() ![]() |
I certainly hope the work generator is turned off as soon as possible. |
![]() Send message Joined: 18 Jun 09 Posts: 35 Credit: 11,811,888 RAC: 16 ![]() ![]() |
it certainly would be nice if someone from MW admin could post an update |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 27 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And what I'm assuming is "a lot" of electricity required to power the GPUs to do work that will have no scientific value. There's a new company that actually takes old windmill blades and shreds them into little bits and then makes them into brand new windmill blades, it's just starting up but it sounds hopeful |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 27 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Unfortunately n-body and separation are on the same hardware and it is not possible to pull the plug on separation without touching n-body. Remember this Project is run by a rotating set of college grad students and one Professor that is very busy doing other things most of the time and who himself has only been doing it for a short time, that means that the institutional knowledge that most projects have is not there at Milky Way. Yes they do okay with what they have but they don't seem to take advantage of the Boinc Forum for Admins either and instead try to figure it out on their own. I just checked the server status page and there are over 1 million separation tasks in progress and over 10k tasks ready to send out. That is also very strange considering it's now the 21st of June. Unless those tasks are re-sends that are needed than why are there over 10k separation tasks ready to send out? |
Send message Joined: 22 May 11 Posts: 71 Credit: 5,685,114 RAC: 176 ![]() ![]() |
and what? |
![]() Send message Joined: 18 Jun 09 Posts: 35 Credit: 11,811,888 RAC: 16 ![]() ![]() |
and? the suspense is killing me |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 27 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
and what? Sorry made a click and quickly posted before I lost my whole post, I have now edited it to complete the though |
![]() Send message Joined: 23 Aug 11 Posts: 33 Credit: 11,062,253 RAC: 0 ![]() ![]() |
Are you talking about the credits for Nbody or Seperation? I got massive credits for seperation, but that's because I had old DP cards. Separation. Only doing CPU work, and was looking for something to switch to that still worked on 32-bit Win 7 and used as little RAM as possible. MW does go crazy with the credits, shows when you compare. I mean, 11M for 2 years here vs. 7.5M for 21 years on SETI. Granted, slower computers in the past, but still, and last 6 years of SETI were on this same one. |
![]() Send message Joined: 18 Jun 09 Posts: 35 Credit: 11,811,888 RAC: 16 ![]() ![]() |
wonder if they cant shutdown separation because someone forgot the root password or something like that xd |
![]() Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 618 Credit: 19,254,980 RAC: 50 ![]() ![]() |
Remember this Project is run by a rotating set of college grad students and one Professor that is very busy doing other things most of the time and who himself has only been doing it for a short time, that means that the institutional knowledge that most projects have is not there at Milky Way. Yes they do okay with what they have but they don't seem to take advantage of the Boinc Forum for Admins either and instead try to figure it out on their own.I know. That's another reason to simply stop creating new work and let BOINC take care of the tasks in progress. I just checked the server status page and there are over 1 million separation tasks in progress and over 10k tasks ready to send out. That is also very strange considering it's now the 21st of June. Unless those tasks are re-sends that are needed than why are there over 10k separation tasks ready to send out?They didn't turn off anything so far, 1.2-1.5 millions in progress is simply normal operation. Just the workunits waiting for validation piling up and now at 1.5 million indicate some issue with the server. ![]() |
![]() Send message Joined: 18 Jun 09 Posts: 35 Credit: 11,811,888 RAC: 16 ![]() ![]() |
the stream_fit_work_generator (milkyway ) seems also to merrily continue running which i'm assuming is separation since there is a separate set for nbody called nbody_work_generator (milkyway_nbody) |
![]() Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 ![]() ![]() |
Uh Oh, I hope they didn't turn off the validator, thinking they were turning off the generator! |
![]() Send message Joined: 18 Jun 09 Posts: 35 Credit: 11,811,888 RAC: 16 ![]() ![]() |
what went down is possibly this: they TRIED to turn it off on the 20th and turned off SOMETHING but ! it was the wrong thing tu turn off and they somehow destabilized the server and now are fighting with it to keep it working and all thoughts off turning separation off got forgotten |
![]() Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 618 Credit: 19,254,980 RAC: 50 ![]() ![]() |
They didn't turn off anything, you'd see that on the server status page. The validators get stuck here every few months, the issue started the 18th, so just a coincidence. ![]() |
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