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Message 75782 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 2:11:39 UTC - in response to Message 75777.  

12 volts won't give you an electrical shock but it can melt wires and start a fire if circuit shorted or overloaded. connectors are often the weak link. if they aren't making good contact, they can heat up, melt and/or burn. be careful
Hey! I just replied to your other message and it said "wrong thread", now I can't see your message.
The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post.
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Message 75783 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 3:01:48 UTC

Bringing thread back on topic. It wasn't said what year the separation application shutdown was happening just said June 20th. Perhaps we have another year to go and it will shut down in 2024 :-)
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Message 75785 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 3:13:31 UTC - in response to Message 75783.  

Bringing thread back on topic. It wasn't said what year the separation application shutdown was happening just said June 20th. Perhaps we have another year to go and it will shut down in 2024 :-)
Fool, dates are different in each year, there is no June 20th next year, it'll be Saturday.
The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post.
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Message 75789 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 8:17:45 UTC - in response to Message 75785.  

Bringing thread back on topic. It wasn't said what year the separation application shutdown was happening just said June 20th. Perhaps we have another year to go and it will shut down in 2024 :-)
Fool, dates are different in each year, there is no June 20th next year, it'll be Saturday.

So am I correct in saying that next year it will go from 19 June to 21 June? If this is correct this is the 1st time I have ever heard of this happening
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Message 75791 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 9:10:02 UTC - in response to Message 75789.  

P Hucker typed "no" instead of "on"
Discussion header said that it will be shutting down on Tuesday, Jun 20th.
Next Tuesday, Jun 20th is in 2028
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Message 75792 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 9:10:48 UTC - in response to Message 75766.  

Unfortunately n-body and separation are on the same hardware and it is not possible to pull the plug on separation without touching n-body.
Every other BOINC project adds and removes applications as needed without killing the rest, this should be possible also here. All they need to do is turning off creation of new work for now. As long as there's a chance, that some parts need to be recalculated in case the reviewer requests it, it doesn't even make sense to remove the application completely from the server.
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Message 75793 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 9:48:53 UTC

I certainly hope the work generator is turned off as soon as possible.
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Message 75794 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 11:09:10 UTC - in response to Message 75793.  

it certainly would be nice if someone from MW admin could post an update
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Message 75795 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 11:15:48 UTC - in response to Message 75753.  

And what I'm assuming is "a lot" of electricity required to power the GPUs to do work that will have no scientific value.
Only 2 more days but still very wasteful.


But still probably ALOT less wasteful than all those CEO's etc flying to Switzerland on their private jets to attend a conference on 'saving energy'.



Couldn't have said it better. And look at all the waste those windmills produce when they have reached their end of use date. They are huge and are buried. Talk about pollutants.
Very inefficient method if you concider it all.


There's a new company that actually takes old windmill blades and shreds them into little bits and then makes them into brand new windmill blades, it's just starting up but it sounds hopeful
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Message 75796 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 11:24:24 UTC - in response to Message 75792.  
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Unfortunately n-body and separation are on the same hardware and it is not possible to pull the plug on separation without touching n-body.


Every other BOINC project adds and removes applications as needed without killing the rest, this should be possible also here. All they need to do is turning off creation of new work for now. As long as there's a chance, that some parts need to be recalculated in case the reviewer requests it, it doesn't even make sense to remove the application completely from the server.


Remember this Project is run by a rotating set of college grad students and one Professor that is very busy doing other things most of the time and who himself has only been doing it for a short time, that means that the institutional knowledge that most projects have is not there at Milky Way. Yes they do okay with what they have but they don't seem to take advantage of the Boinc Forum for Admins either and instead try to figure it out on their own.

I just checked the server status page and there are over 1 million separation tasks in progress and over 10k tasks ready to send out. That is also very strange considering it's now the 21st of June. Unless those tasks are re-sends that are needed than why are there over 10k separation tasks ready to send out?
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Message 75797 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 11:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 75796.  

and what?
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Message 75798 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 11:26:15 UTC - in response to Message 75796.  

and?
the suspense is killing me
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Message 75799 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 11:29:10 UTC - in response to Message 75797.  

and what?


Sorry made a click and quickly posted before I lost my whole post, I have now edited it to complete the though
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Message 75801 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 13:01:05 UTC - in response to Message 75779.  

Are you talking about the credits for Nbody or Seperation? I got massive credits for seperation, but that's because I had old DP cards.

How did you switch to Asteroids? They only do CPU work (and Nvidia, but no faster than a CPU so pointless).

Separation. Only doing CPU work, and was looking for something to switch to that still worked on 32-bit Win 7 and used as little RAM as possible.
MW does go crazy with the credits, shows when you compare. I mean, 11M for 2 years here vs. 7.5M for 21 years on SETI. Granted, slower computers in the past, but still, and last 6 years of SETI were on this same one.
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Message 75802 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 13:09:16 UTC

wonder if they cant shutdown separation because someone forgot the root password or something like that xd
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Message 75803 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 13:18:39 UTC - in response to Message 75796.  

Remember this Project is run by a rotating set of college grad students and one Professor that is very busy doing other things most of the time and who himself has only been doing it for a short time, that means that the institutional knowledge that most projects have is not there at Milky Way. Yes they do okay with what they have but they don't seem to take advantage of the Boinc Forum for Admins either and instead try to figure it out on their own.
I know. That's another reason to simply stop creating new work and let BOINC take care of the tasks in progress.


I just checked the server status page and there are over 1 million separation tasks in progress and over 10k tasks ready to send out. That is also very strange considering it's now the 21st of June. Unless those tasks are re-sends that are needed than why are there over 10k separation tasks ready to send out?
They didn't turn off anything so far, 1.2-1.5 millions in progress is simply normal operation. Just the workunits waiting for validation piling up and now at 1.5 million indicate some issue with the server.
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Message 75804 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 13:22:25 UTC - in response to Message 75803.  

the stream_fit_work_generator (milkyway ) seems also to merrily continue running which i'm assuming is separation since there is a separate set for nbody called nbody_work_generator (milkyway_nbody)
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Message 75808 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 14:15:43 UTC

Uh Oh, I hope they didn't turn off the validator, thinking they were turning off the generator!
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Message 75809 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 14:20:49 UTC - in response to Message 75808.  

what went down is possibly this:
they TRIED to turn it off on the 20th and turned off SOMETHING
but ! it was the wrong thing tu turn off and they somehow destabilized the server and now are fighting with it to keep it working and all thoughts off turning separation off got forgotten
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Message 75810 - Posted: 21 Jun 2023, 15:23:10 UTC

They didn't turn off anything, you'd see that on the server status page. The validators get stuck here every few months, the issue started the 18th, so just a coincidence.
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