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Message 76131 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 16:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 76129.  

That's cute. Just one of my computers is more powerful than your entire fleet. LMAO
Are you sure they're yours or are you borrowing them from your boss when he isn't looking and using his electricity? Because you've chosen to keep them anonymous, funny that.


They're mine.
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Message 76132 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 16:23:22 UTC - in response to Message 76130.  

hiding his hosts wouldn't hide anything from his hypothetical "boss". he doesn't even work in the tech industry. so yeah, wrong again.
Yes it would. If his boss were to see (or someone in here grassed him off) computer names he knew were names of computers on his network. And why would he have to be in the tech industry? I used to do it at a high school I worked at. I had about 300 computers connected, although they were all budget CPUs with no graphics cards.

i have five 64c/128t CPUs, and two 48c/96t , wholly owned by me. they're cheap. don't need to use other people's computers.
The electricity is expensive unless you bypass the meter or have solar panels.

EPYC's are ubiquitous at this point. The whole platform cost isn't much more expensive than high end consumer stuff,
I looked up a 128 core version and they're very expensive. The Ryzen 9 range is better value.

but without the silly caps in PCIe lanes
Those are needed for voltage stabilising. Have they got better VRMs? Nothing to do with the CPU.

**Unnecessary "that" removed from sentence. Why is this becoming so popular?
Yeah I do it too and it annoys me. I often delete them when proofreading. Google ngram shows it's a recent habit.
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Message 76133 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 16:24:00 UTC - in response to Message 76131.  

They're mine.
Then why are you hiding them? If you really have huge computing power, wouldn't you want to show it off?
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Message 76134 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 16:45:33 UTC - in response to Message 76133.  

Yes it would. If his boss were to see (or someone in here grassed him off) computer names he knew were names of computers on his network. And why would he have to be in the tech industry? I used to do it at a high school I worked at. I had about 300 computers connected, although they were all budget CPUs with no graphics cards.


You can't see the computer names unless it's a host on your account. If this hypothetical boss had the ability to log into my account then he would be able to just view the computers on my account in my control panel and see the computers I am using.

The electricity is expensive unless you bypass the meter or have solar panels.


My 64c/128t EPYC uses around 400W (total system power) under full load. Not breaking any power bills.


I looked up a 128 core version and they're very expensive. The Ryzen 9 range is better value.


For the single CPU? I bought my 64c/128t CPUs for $1000. Motherboard $500. RAM, SSD, PSU are the same price or similar to that of a Ryzen setup.

For 2.4 Ryzen 9 setups. You'll need to buy 3 CPUs, 3 motherboards, 3 RAM kits, 3 SSDs, 3 PSUs. You also need GPUs for Ryzen 9. EPYC can run headless.

I can assure you that 3x Ryzen 9 setups will cost the same or more than 1 EPYC build.

This is assuming an EPYC is indeed only 2.4 times "faster" than a single Ryzen 9. Which I don't believe that across the board.

Those are needed for voltage stabilising. Have they got better VRMs? Nothing to do with the CPU.


Sigh. Man you know nothing. lmao

He isn't talking about capacitors. He is saying an EPYC has more PCIe lanes than Ryzen. So you can run more things like GPUs with full 16x or 8x lanes than you can on a Ryzen.

Then why are you hiding them? If you really have huge computing power, wouldn't you want to show it off?


Nobodies business what I am running except mine. I don't need to showboat what I have.
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Message 76135 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 16:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 76132.  

Yes it would. If his boss were to see (or someone in here grassed him off) computer names he knew were names of computers on his network. And why would he have to be in the tech industry? I used to do it at a high school I worked at. I had about 300 computers connected, although they were all budget CPUs with no graphics cards.


if they were indeed a work-owned system the "boss" (or rather, IT dept/personnel) could just go look at the system directly to see what it's doing. visibility on some website would be moot.

someone/company not in the tech industry in some way is unlikely to have a 128t high-end EPYC system.

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Message 76136 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 16:58:42 UTC - in response to Message 76134.  

I don't need to showboat what I have.


you mean you don't want to show off your 15 year old Xeon power?

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Message 76137 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 17:09:55 UTC - in response to Message 76134.  

You can't see the computer names unless it's a host on your account. If this hypothetical boss had the ability to log into my account then he would be able to just view the computers on my account in my control panel and see the computers I am using.
Because you're hiding them. You can see my host names, anyone can. You chose to hide them.

My 64c/128t EPYC uses around 400W (total system power) under full load. Not breaking any power bills.
I assume you have more than that or you wouldn't have the points you do here.

For the single CPU? I bought my 64c/128t CPUs for $1000.
$1285 2nd hand from China. I only checked Ebay. AliExpress is $1105+sales tax ends up worse.

Motherboard $500. RAM, SSD, PSU are the same price or similar to that of a Ryzen setup.
That totals a lot of money, I bought my MBs for $50. PSUs were $20.

You also need GPUs for Ryzen 9. EPYC can run headless.
What on earth gave you that insane idea? Running headless is up to the OS and nothing to do with the CPU, and Windows 11 is doing it fine on my Ryzen 9s. I can even connect with the built in Windows Remote Desktop.

This is assuming an EPYC is indeed only 2.4 times "faster" than a single Ryzen 9. Which I don't believe that across the board.
I checked the benchmark on cpubenchmark.net. It seems a pretty good match for the average Boinc project.

Those are needed for voltage stabilising. Have they got better VRMs? Nothing to do with the CPU.
Sigh. Man you know nothing. lmao He isn't talking about capacitors. He is saying an EPYC has more PCIe lanes than Ryzen. So you can run more things like GPUs with full 16x or 8x lanes than you can on a Ryzen.
Ah, so it's him using "cap" in a less intelligent sense.

Nobodies business what I am running except mine.
And no reason to hide it.

I don't need to showboat what I have.
And yet earlier you boasted you had a PC faster than my entire fleet.

Plus it lets people discuss problems with dodgy workunits when they can view your computers' tasks.
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Message 76138 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 17:10:50 UTC - in response to Message 76136.  

I don't need to showboat what I have.
you mean you don't want to show off your 15 year old Xeon power?
Go on, post the photo of your watercooled setup again, you know you want to.
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Message 76139 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 17:11:43 UTC - in response to Message 76135.  

if they were indeed a work-owned system the "boss" (or rather, IT dept/personnel) could just go look at the system directly to see what it's doing.
Unless "skillz" is the IT dept.

someone/company not in the tech industry in some way is unlikely to have a 128t high-end EPYC system.
Never heard of CAD?
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Message 76140 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 17:20:45 UTC - in response to Message 76138.  

Go on, post the photo of your watercooled setup again, you know you want to.


which one?

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Message 76141 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 17:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 76139.  

Never heard of CAD?


it's amazing that you think something with "Computer" right in the name isn't classified as tech. try again.

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Message 76142 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 17:26:53 UTC - in response to Message 76139.  
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Because you're hiding them. You can see my host names, anyone can. You chose to hide them.


Again, you don't know what you are talking about. What is your computers name? I can't see it.



For the last time. You CAN NOT see the host name or name of the host unless it is YOUR host.

I assume you have more than that or you wouldn't have the points you do here.


That system does 12M PPD alone on MW on Separation tasks.

$1285 2nd hand from China. I only checked Ebay. AliExpress is $1105+sales tax ends up worse.


I bought mine from eBay also. $1000 each.

That totals a lot of money, I bought my MBs for $50. PSUs were $20.


You use 15 year old crap. Who cares? The one Epyc I have will do more than your entire fleet of computers and use less electricity. A 64c/128t EPYC is way more than 2.4 times better than your 3700X. lol

What on earth gave you that insane idea? Running headless is up to the OS and nothing to do with the CPU, and Windows 11 is doing it fine on my Ryzen 9s. I can even connect with the built in Windows Remote Desktop.


You right. I didn't think about using remote desktop to connect to a Ryzen setup although I do that with one of mine (but it has 2 GPUs in it). Editing the BIOS settings though will require a GPU, but you could use 1 GPU and just switch them to whatever system you need to modify settings in the BIOS.

I checked the benchmark on cpubenchmark.net. It seems a pretty good match for the average Boinc project.


There you go again. Reading crap on paper and not actually using real world data to compare.

Ah, so it's him using "cap" in a less intelligent sense.


Not sure how using cap as a limit on the amount of lanes the Ryzen has is less intelligent.

And no reason to hide it.


My business. My choice.

And yet earlier you boasted you had a PC faster than my entire fleet.


Because you told me to get better computers.

Plus it lets people discuss problems with dodgy workunits when they can view your computers' tasks.


When I ask for help, I post my host that is having issues if it is needed; but I rarely ask for help on forums because fools like you who have no idea start trying to put in their $0.02 which wastes everyone's time.

Unless "skillz" is the IT dept.


I do not work in a tech industry. I don't even use a computer for work.

Never heard of CAD?


Don't use CAD software at work either.
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Message 76143 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 21:22:52 UTC - in response to Message 76140.  

Go on, post the photo of your watercooled setup again, you know you want to.
which one?
I'll let you choose. It's only fair to let you gloat fully.
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Message 76144 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 21:24:19 UTC - in response to Message 76141.  
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Never heard of CAD?
it's amazing that you think something with "Computer" right in the name isn't classified as tech. try again.
You said "the tech industry" which usually means an IT tech. He could be a designer who knows nothing about computers but uses one to design engines.

And you did it again with the that.
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Message 76145 - Posted: 2 Jul 2023, 21:42:01 UTC - in response to Message 76142.  

Because you're hiding them. You can see my host names, anyone can. You chose to hide them.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. What is your computers name? I can't see it.
I stand corrected, the page seems to show different things depending if you're logged in as that person or not. I made an assumption unhiding would unhide everything. Strange, I'm sure I've discussed faulty units on one of the projects and referred to one of my computer names, and nobody said they didn't know which one to look at.

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For the last time. You CAN NOT see the host name or name of the host unless it is YOUR host.
Why do you say everything twice?

That system does 12M PPD alone on MW on Separation tasks.
With GPUs presumably. And you should have used the past tense, seperation is gone.

You use 15 year old crap. Who cares?
Ryzen 9 CPU and MB are not 15 years old, and the point is it costs far less to buy a few of those, which total more work than your one.

The one Epyc I have will do more than your entire fleet of computers and use less electricity. A 64c/128t EPYC is way more than 2.4 times better than your 3700X. lol
Not according to cpubenchmark.net - of course there's probably more than one model of EPYC with 128 threads.

What on earth gave you that insane idea? Running headless is up to the OS and nothing to do with the CPU, and Windows 11 is doing it fine on my Ryzen 9s. I can even connect with the built in Windows Remote Desktop.
You right.
!!!

I didn't think about using remote desktop to connect to a Ryzen setup although I do that with one of mine (but it has 2 GPUs in it).
I do so mainly because all but one of my machines are in another building. It boots fine without, I guess it's just harder to troubleshoot without remote desktop. Older machines (maybe you have to go back decades) just bleeped or something if you started them with no graphics card.

Editing the BIOS settings though will require a GPU, but you could use 1 GPU and just switch them to whatever system you need to modify settings in the BIOS.
I edit the BIOS once, when I build the PC. Why ever touch it again?

There you go again. Reading crap on paper and not actually using real world data to compare.
I used my own real world data. My machines have certain relative speeds on cpubenchmark.net. On most projects the times taken for a task tally up.

Not sure how using cap as a limit on the amount of lanes the Ryzen has is less intelligent.
Limit is a simpler concept than charged plates rolled up in a small container.

My business. My choice.
A pointless one.

Because you told me to get better computers.
So you only boast when provoked?

When I ask for help, I post my host that is having issues if it is needed
So "hidden" only hides the list?

but I rarely ask for help on forums because fools like you who have no idea start trying to put in their $0.02 which wastes everyone's time.
I'm sure you can use a killfile.

I do not work in a tech industry. I don't even use a computer for work.
Odd, considering you claim to know so much about them. Binman?
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Message 76147 - Posted: 3 Jul 2023, 2:09:56 UTC
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I stand corrected, the page seems to show different things depending if you're logged in as that person or not. I made an assumption unhiding would unhide everything. Strange, I'm sure I've discussed faulty units on one of the projects and referred to one of my computer names, and nobody said they didn't know which one to look at.


Like I told you already.
You don't have many hosts, not hard to figure out which one you probably were having issues with.

Why do you say everything twice?


Because you don't listen the first time and think what you know is factual.

With GPUs presumably. And you should have used the past tense, seperation is gone.


Yes, GPUs on that host.

Ryzen 9 CPU and MB are not 15 years old, and the point is it costs far less to buy a few of those, which total more work than your one.


No it does not.

Not according to cpubenchmark.net - of course there's probably more than one model of EPYC with 128 threads.


There you go again. Using useless metrics. Pick a CPU project, any CPU project. Attach your single 3900X to it and I will attach my single 64c/128t EPYC. I guarantee I do more than 2.4 times the points as you.

Yes there are more than one 64-core EPYC.

I do so mainly because all but one of my machines are in another building. It boots fine without, I guess it's just harder to troubleshoot without remote desktop. Older machines (maybe you have to go back decades) just bleeped or something if you started them with no graphics card.


I am assuming your hosts in another building are your Xeons and not your Ryzen which is probably your main computer you have inside your home.

EPYC motherboards have IPMI remote management. You can control everything on the host, including the BIOS settings, remotely using IPMI. Xeons have this ability too on some of the newer stuff. I don't think the older Xeons have IPMI and I'm not sure what year/generation they started using IPMI.

I edit the BIOS once, when I build the PC. Why ever touch it again?


Like I said. You can use the one GPU for all the hosts to edit the BIOS the way you need it once. However, if you overclock those hosts some projects will put way more stress on that overclock than other projects where the overclock will fail. Its rare, but it does happen. Especially some of the Primegrid sub projects.

I used my own real world data. My machines have certain relative speeds on cpubenchmark.net. On most projects the times taken for a task tally up.


Pick a CPU project on your 3900X. I bet a 64c/128t system does more than 2.4 times the output. ;)

Looking through the Universe@home hosts list I found a 128 thread EPYC here:
https://stats.free-dc.org/host/uni/561422
It does around 1.3M PPD.
Here is a 3950X (little more powerful than your 3900X)
https://stats.free-dc.org/host/uni/602386
It does around 370K PPD.

370,000 * 2.4 = 888,000
370,000 / 1,300,000 = 3.5

In this example we can see that an EPYC is 3.5 times more productive than a 3700X. That means you'll need 4 3900X CPUs.

Lets take a look at what full load on the 3900X does power wise.



Almost 250W. Just two 3900X will consume more power than 1 64-core EPYC.

For comparison, the 3950X I am using data from runs a little over 260W under full load.


Limit is a simpler concept than charged plates rolled up in a small container.


So we have to talk in simpler terms so your simple mind can understand?

So you only boast when provoked?


Wasn't boasting. Just correcting someone wrong on the Internet.

So "hidden" only hides the list?


Hidden only hides your list. The host is still listed and can be found on the project host list. It just won't have a name attached to it. It will say anonymous.

Odd, considering you claim to know so much about them. Binman?


I don't have to work in IT to know a lot of about computers. Been playing on computers for over 20 years now.
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Message 76148 - Posted: 3 Jul 2023, 2:13:06 UTC

One more page and I discovered a 3900X. Haha.

https://stats.free-dc.org/host/uni/533451

Seems to be closer to 350K PPD vs 370K PPD for the 3950X.
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Message 76149 - Posted: 3 Jul 2023, 2:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 76147.  

On gerasim it hides both list and computers.
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Message 76150 - Posted: 3 Jul 2023, 2:44:48 UTC - in response to Message 76149.  

On gerasim it hides both list and computers.


Dang, it sure does. First project I've seen do that.
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Message 76151 - Posted: 3 Jul 2023, 2:47:16 UTC

Administrator ported boinc server to windows server.
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