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Send message Joined: 18 Nov 22 Posts: 84 Credit: 640,530,847 RAC: 0 |
since it looks like you nuked the separation validator, what's going to happen to those ~2.4 million separation tasks waiting for validation?Legend has it they weren't going to use them anyway. that's not an answer to the question. whether they will be used or not has nothing to do with the fact that there are 2.5 million tasks waiting for validation and need to be dealt with somehow. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
And in progress tasks weren't aborted by server, so people who still have some will be running them and then send them into the void I guess...I wonder if the server will take them? If it's just the generator off, maybe it will. Otherwise we might have people with hundreds of completed tasks being repeatedly refused by the server. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
Do they? If they run out of disk space perhaps. It's not like they're going to go mouldy or something.that's not an answer to the question. whether they will be used or not has nothing to do with the fact that there are 2.5 million tasks waiting for validation and need to be dealt with somehow.since it looks like you nuked the separation validator, what's going to happen to those ~2.4 million separation tasks waiting for validation?Legend has it they weren't going to use them anyway. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
Send message Joined: 23 Aug 11 Posts: 33 Credit: 11,062,253 RAC: 0 |
And in progress tasks weren't aborted by server, so people who still have some will be running them and then send them into the void I guess...I wonder if the server will take them? If it's just the generator off, maybe it will. Otherwise we might have people with hundreds of completed tasks being repeatedly refused by the server. I meant to try and post what happened, let one start, but then decided I didn't want it left dangling somewhere, and the way this was done was too... disrespectful to the users to bother, so just aborted all. |
Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 17 Credit: 232,808 RAC: 697 |
And in progress tasks weren't aborted by server, so people who still have some will be running them and then send them into the void I guess...I wonder if the server will take them? If it's just the generator off, maybe it will. Otherwise we might have people with hundreds of completed tasks being repeatedly refused by the server. You did well to abort them considering they weren't going to be used for any purpose at all. |
Send message Joined: 2 Jan 08 Posts: 123 Credit: 69,761,752 RAC: 1,545 |
Could the Admins just run the credit granting scrip to all pending Separation work units, and once done then flush all the Separation work units from the Data Base? I have over 1200 just sitting there and others would have many more. It would tidy things up a bit and then they could concentrate on the N-Body work. I will be back doing N-Body work units when some other commitments are met, wish they paid the same as the Separation work did. Conan |
Send message Joined: 4 Jul 09 Posts: 92 Credit: 17,307,308 RAC: 2,209 |
On the Server Status page I see the following Tasks ready to send 62785 Tasks in progress 1318168 Application Unsent In progress Milkyway@home N-Body Simulation 30692 185315 They should equal and don't In October of 1969 I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; There was no expiration date. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
On the Server Status page I see the followingAre they updated at the same time? Boinc server is made of many different sections all talking to each other. If you look at Rosetta, their home page updates at a different time to their server status page. I wouldn't be surprised if different parts of server status were also updated seperately. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
Could the Admins just run the credit granting scrip to all pending Separation work units, and once done then flush all the Separation work units from the Data Base?Scientists have science to do. Nevermind the credits, just clear it out. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
And in progress tasks weren't aborted by server, so people who still have some will be running them and then send them into the void I guess...I wonder if the server will take them? If it's just the generator off, maybe it will. Otherwise we might have people with hundreds of completed tasks being repeatedly refused by the server. Remember when Seti did that too and no one knew about for days, they gave credit even though they didn't do anything but trash the results as they were all resends of existing completed tasks |
Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 622 Credit: 19,254,980 RAC: 1 |
Sure, the tasks are in the database, so the scheduler will do it's job and mark them as returned, the transitioner will do it's job, but since the validator is gone, they will be just added to that huge pile of tasks waiting for validation.And in progress tasks weren't aborted by server, so people who still have some will be running them and then send them into the void I guess...I wonder if the server will take them? |
Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 622 Credit: 19,254,980 RAC: 1 |
On the Server Status page I see the followingThat's because there are still over 1 million separation tasks in progress. |
Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 622 Credit: 19,254,980 RAC: 1 |
Remember when Seti did that too and no one knew about for days, they gave credit even though they didn't do anything but trash the results as they were all resends of existing completed tasksWell, at least they have let everyone report the tasks back. If they were smart, they would have significantly reduced the deadlines for those additional resends and used server abort for tasks, that were not needed anymore. That way they could have shut down few weeks earlier. I was out from there before that bullshit started and the same I did here once I knew i'm just generating heat and not scientific results. |
Send message Joined: 16 Feb 13 Posts: 2 Credit: 93,302,025 RAC: 0 |
Why did we not just stop releasing tasks first and THEN shut down the project, so a whole bunch of work doesn't get stuck in pending validation? Can we at least get points for the work even though the results are worthless? |
Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 |
Why did we not just stop releasing tasks first and THEN shut down the project, so a whole bunch of work doesn't get stuck in pending validation? Good points on both. I have 19,614 WU in both pending and inconclusive. All are separation. It will be a huge morale buster if credits are not issued. The work was made available to crunchers, who crunched in good faith. If the results are valid, the results should be credited. P.S. All our CPU are belong to n-body |
Send message Joined: 22 May 11 Posts: 71 Credit: 5,685,114 RAC: 2 |
At first i have read buster as booster, |
Send message Joined: 12 Nov 21 Posts: 236 Credit: 575,038,236 RAC: 0 |
At first i have read buster as booster, LOL definitely not a booster! |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
Why did we not just stop releasing tasks first and THEN shut down the project, so a whole bunch of work doesn't get stuck in pending validation? Tom answered that when he said he got busy with his dissertation and forgot |
Send message Joined: 18 Jun 09 Posts: 35 Credit: 11,811,888 RAC: 0 |
o right! i wonder how did that go for him? hopefully he aced it! |
Send message Joined: 5 Jul 11 Posts: 990 Credit: 376,143,149 RAC: 0 |
Remember when Seti did that too and no one knew about for days, they gave credit even though they didn't do anything but trash the results as they were all resends of existing completed tasksYou'd think Dave Anderson had more intelligence than that. Boinc is for Science, credit is just a byproduct. Using electricity for credit is just plain bonkers. The above was double spaced between sentences, I apologise for the forum software ruining my post. |
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