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Send message Joined: 3 Mar 13 Posts: 84 Credit: 779,527,712 RAC: 0 |
Where is the " Validation state" 1/2/3/4/5 info kept , I have looked through my work units stdr.txt , details etc , and can`t see it ? I only had about 2000 to bother about . |
Send message Joined: 30 Apr 15 Posts: 11 Credit: 246,384,605 RAC: 57,954 |
The state number is shown in the URL of your browser when you select a sub-category of your tasks in your account. |
Send message Joined: 28 May 17 Posts: 76 Credit: 4,398,910,125 RAC: 2,255 |
Meh, I had over 200k tasks pending validation. If they get credit, cool. If not, then oh well. Appreciate your time, Tom. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
I have over 15000 work units waiting for validation. Just dumping them and not rewarding credits will make me rethink supporting this project. For who and what? For you then good luck finding a Project that will give you the warm fuzzy feeling when they too have problems or make decisions based on what they want to do and not what you want. If for the Science then all this is a moot point as the last tasks you crunched will NOT be used for the Science that will be written, they already have all the data they need/want and don't care about your tasks at all. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
Meh, I had over 200k tasks pending validation. If they get credit, cool. If not, then oh well. Very well said!!! |
Send message Joined: 15 Jan 13 Posts: 1 Credit: 274,307,569 RAC: 18,996 |
+1 |
Send message Joined: 3 Apr 09 Posts: 3 Credit: 6,481,924 RAC: 3 |
When it says they failed, do you mean they are marked with validate state = [2] (invalid)? I might be able to force the server to re-validate everything that was recieved within the last week that has a validate status of 2. But I need to know exactly what you see on your WUs. In German the WUs are marked as "Ungültig" I think that means "Invalid" in English. But I'm not 100% sure. |
Send message Joined: 3 Mar 13 Posts: 84 Credit: 779,527,712 RAC: 0 |
The state number is shown in the URL of your browser when you select a sub-category of your tasks in your account. Ok , thank you , got it , some things are to easy when you know how :-) I see that `Workunits waiting for validation` is down to 3 , lowest I have ever seen it , looks like `game over` . |
Send message Joined: 19 Jul 10 Posts: 623 Credit: 19,255,222 RAC: 20 |
Yes, seems like that. But all those news about separation ending were important, so I think it's OK like that.Original post only.Thanks! I guess people just don't like getting pinged. |
Send message Joined: 8 May 09 Posts: 3339 Credit: 524,010,781 RAC: 0 |
Original post only.Thanks! I guess people just don't like getting pinged. Agreed |
Send message Joined: 11 May 20 Posts: 13 Credit: 526,264,150 RAC: 119,980 |
Tom, thanks for the effort in getting us credits for what we did in Seperation. I lost some to Invalid, but gained a lot. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
There are also Validation inconclusive tasks with state 3. Yeah, unfortunately there's not really any good way to handle those. I figured there would be some small fraction of overall tasks that needed additional wingmen tasks to validate. Without running more tasks, there isn't a good way to assign credit to those WUs within the existing architecture (and it's hard to rationalize developing new architecture for a project that has been shut down). |
Send message Joined: 30 Apr 15 Posts: 11 Credit: 246,384,605 RAC: 57,954 |
I agree there's not a lot you can do about those to determine whether they deserve credit or not. I haven't looked in the code/DB to see if a result being marked Valid or Invalid has an associated time stamp for that action, I'd expect it in a good system though ! Any Valid result with 0 credit could be granted a nominal credit, I'd expect those results are all from after you started your second attempt. Any Invalid result after you started your first attempt could probably also be granted a nominal credit. It's possible some of these might have been assigned to Validation inconclusive if processed normally (through the validator) but I'd expect those to be a very small percentage of the actual good results. This assumes you can mimic the validation process when the granted credit gets added to the host and Total credit values. If not, you could just calculate how much extra credit to add to a person's Total credit value in the DB (when it's down for maintenance). Depends on how much time you have and how much effort you want to put into doing this ! |
Send message Joined: 26 Jun 09 Posts: 16 Credit: 443,552 RAC: 59 |
The Server Status page still doesn't look right. There seem to be far too many 'tasks ready to send', and too many 'tasks in progress'. Some more cleaning up of the server might need to be carried out. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
The "tasks ready to send" include a bunch of separation wingman jobs that are not being sent out. I will remove those from the system soon. The extra "tasks in progress" are probably Separation tasks that are still floating around on people's machines but haven't been aborted or returned yet. |
Send message Joined: 18 Nov 22 Posts: 84 Credit: 640,530,847 RAC: 0 |
The "tasks ready to send" include a bunch of separation wingman jobs that are not being sent out. I will remove those from the system soon. The extra "tasks in progress" are probably Separation tasks that are still floating around on people's machines but haven't been aborted or returned yet. i think you should abort/cancel/wipe the in-progress tasks on the database side, if you can. I have ~200 tasks reported as in-progress that are not actually on the host at all. i even performed a project reset which is supposed to abandon those tasks and nothing changed. they wont come out of in-progress naturally until they time out from hitting the deadline. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
As for the jobs that were marked as invalid, I will be meeting with Prof. Newberg tomorrow, and I'll make sure that it's okay that I move all the separation WUs that failed validation from the last 3 weeks back into the queue. |
Send message Joined: 2 Jan 08 Posts: 123 Credit: 69,783,908 RAC: 1,004 |
Thank you Tom, You have done a great job and I appreciate what you have done. I just got a heap of credit for work that I had written off as not going to get credit for and then I have it. Great work. People like you are the ones that make people stay at projects, active on the forums, responding to help requests, and actually doing something about it. Thanks again Conan |
Send message Joined: 28 May 17 Posts: 76 Credit: 4,398,910,125 RAC: 2,255 |
The "tasks ready to send" include a bunch of separation wingman jobs that are not being sent out. I will remove those from the system soon. The extra "tasks in progress" are probably Separation tasks that are still floating around on people's machines but haven't been aborted or returned yet. I've got a little over 1000 with the same issue. Project reset didn't solve it. Not too worried about it. In a couple weeks they should fall off after the expire anyway. I do have almost 30k inconclusive tasks though, but again I am not worried about them. If they eventually get marked valid (earn credit, dont earn credit) or marked invalid. Doesn't matter. I'd rather the admins/development team here spend more of their time optimizing a GPU app for N-Body that's worth running on GPUs over CPUs. |
Send message Joined: 10 Apr 19 Posts: 408 Credit: 120,203,200 RAC: 0 |
Hey Everyone, I chatted with Prof. Newberg this morning and we have decided not to try to re-validate workunits from the past 3 weeks. When we brought up that we wanted to shut down separation, we asked how long people would need to transition off of the project. Your feedback told us to turn off the project ASAP, so we set a date for shutdown and then even waited a little longer than that before turning off the project. It was easy to turn the validator back on to get people credit for these leftover WUs, but we are worried that we will spend a lot of time chasing a relatively small number of credits for WUs that were returned after the project was known to be ending. If you lost a large amount of credit, or if you have any other issues, please DM me and we will figure out a way to get you the credit that you lost. Again, we are extremely thankful for all the volunteer work that you have done to make this project feasible and successful. Best, Tom |
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