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Message 76779 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 5:36:55 UTC

I'm severely tempted to stop crunching until this gets resolved.....

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It looks like the wing men also completed validation with no credit.
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Message 76781 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 8:40:38 UTC - in response to Message 76779.  

I'm severely tempted to stop crunching until this gets resolved.....

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It looks like the wing men also completed validation with no credit.

For information: this has already been raised in the News/Admin Updates Discussion thread and Kevin acknowledged it...

I've had a look through my results currently listed as valid (ignoring the large number of Separation orphans that are still listed!) and made a post about it in that thread; it may or may not be of interest... (It's quite long, so I've not re-posted it here.)

For what it's worth, I haven't [yet] seen any of these tasks that also have a validated wingman with no credit, so I can't see if the possible explanation for zero credit still holds if verification should have been possible; I'll have another look in a day or two to see if that changes, as I'd be interested to see one or more such WUs to have a look :-)

Cheers - Al.
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Message 76783 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 12:03:12 UTC - in response to Message 76779.  

I'm severely tempted to stop crunching until this gets resolved.....

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It looks like the wing men also completed validation with no credit.


Supposedly as the Wingmen finish their tasks, as good ones, the Validator will assign credit to both people and yours and mine and everyone elses tasks will get the credits they should. Part of the problem is that MW generated a BOATLOAD of tasks and they always add the Wingman task at the END of the queue it could be awhile before it all sorts itself out. Read the Admin thread for a better explanation.
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Message 76788 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 22:09:22 UTC - in response to Message 76779.  
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Well, I cant find them now. (the ones where both myself and a wing man completed and validated, with 0 credit.)They may have converted to completed and validated with credit. I have about 300 captured in a spreadsheet now, all completed and validated with 0 credit. Will check in 3 or 4 days to see if any drop off the list. If so, it may be the case that that status is incorrect, and should have been Completed, validation inconclusive with credit pending, or perhaps validation pending. We will see.
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Message 76789 - Posted: 21 Jan 2024, 22:14:38 UTC - in response to Message 76781.  

I'm severely tempted to stop crunching until this gets resolved.....

Any ideas?
It looks like the wing men also completed validation with no credit.

For information: this has already been raised in the News/Admin Updates Discussion thread and Kevin acknowledged it...

I've had a look through my results currently listed as valid (ignoring the large number of Separation orphans that are still listed!) and made a post about it in that thread; it may or may not be of interest... (It's quite long, so I've not re-posted it here.)

For what it's worth, I haven't [yet] seen any of these tasks that also have a validated wingman with no credit, so I can't see if the possible explanation for zero credit still holds if verification should have been possible; I'll have another look in a day or two to see if that changes, as I'd be interested to see one or more such WUs to have a look :-)

Cheers - Al.

Yes, I am aware of those posts.. The thing that prompted me to open an new thread was the high number of completed/validated/0 credit WUs.
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Message 76792 - Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 8:23:51 UTC

Just an observation .... Total credits per day for the project started falling on BOINCstats on the 19th of the month

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Message 76794 - Posted: 22 Jan 2024, 9:59:28 UTC - in response to Message 76792.  

Just an observation .... Total credits per day for the project started falling on BOINCstats on the 19th of the month
Well, the _1 tasks needed to validate the _0 tasks we returned after the server maintenance will be sent out in about one or two weeks, so this was expected.
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Message 76796 - Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 4:01:09 UTC - in response to Message 76779.  

OK, all is not lost. I have 3 now that have credit. Wohoo! So I will resume crunching on all cylinders forthwith!
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Message 76798 - Posted: 23 Jan 2024, 13:44:23 UTC

Milkway does not surprise us again! It strengthens its title as the most problematic Boinc project day by day. It is best to terminate the Milkway project altogether!..
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Message 76801 - Posted: 24 Jan 2024, 10:23:56 UTC - in response to Message 76798.  
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Most problematic BOINC project? You don't seem to have much experience with problematic projects. That huge pile of ready to send tasks is perhaps not optimal, but that's all, not a real issue and seems to be fixed as we are down below 1 million now. SETI was a problematic project with it's permanently overloaded servers, WCG is a problematic project since Krembil runs it. But Milkyway? Sure, I'm not going to say everything is perfect, it's not, but at least there's a steady WU supply and the communication from the project staff improved recently, so we know what's going on. It would be really great, if Milkyway was the most problematic BOINC project and all other were better. Unfortunately most of them are worse and only very few are actually better.
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Message 76802 - Posted: 24 Jan 2024, 11:21:52 UTC - in response to Message 76801.  

Most problematic BOINC project? You don't seem to have much experience with problematic projects. That huge pile of ready to send tasks is perhaps not optimal, but that's all, not a real issue and seems to be fixed as we are down below 1 million now. SETI was a problematic project with it's permanently overloaded servers, WCG is a problematic project since Krembil runs it. But Milkyway? Sure, I'm not going to say everything is perfect, it's not, but at least there's a steady WU supply and the communication from the project staff improved recently, so we know what's going on. It would be really great, if Milkyway was the most problematic BOINC project and all other were better. Unfortunately most of them are worse and only very few are actually better.


Don't forget Seti had a planned shutdown every Tuesday as well and don't forget about Cosmology either, it's been years now and they STILL don't have their certificate setup right!!
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Message 76803 - Posted: 24 Jan 2024, 12:26:38 UTC - in response to Message 76802.  

In general there's nothing wrong with planned shutdowns for server maintenance, they are necessary, every project has them on more or less regular basis and since they are planned, everyone can adapt to them. No idea about Cosmology, never crunched for them, but well, like I said, most projects are worse than Milkyway and have REAL issues.
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Message 76808 - Posted: 26 Jan 2024, 0:58:05 UTC - in response to Message 76803.  

In general there's nothing wrong with planned shutdowns for server maintenance, they are necessary, every project has them on more or less regular basis and since they are planned, everyone can adapt to them. No idea about Cosmology, never crunched for them, but well, like I said, most projects are worse than Milkyway and have REAL issues.


Yes that's true!!

Cosmology's problem is lack of an Admin having the time or willingness to do what's needed to keep it going and also to let anyone else help them. It's gotten so bad that you can't even log into the website without a coding workaround using your authenticator, which of course people like you who have no existing account have or those who don't keep a copy of the project xml files in the Boinc directory someplace safe, I keep mine on a couple of usb sticks and of course on each pc but those with just one pc can be out of luck trying to get tasks or even to log in and use the forums.

As for MilkyWay itself I am having zero problems crunching tasks using my app_config.xml file that limits it to 2 cpu cores per task, then I adjust the total number of tasks I want to run in the same app_config.xml file based on the pc I'm running the tasks on.
State: All (518) · In progress (142) · Validation pending (0) · Validation inconclusive (324) · Valid (50) · Invalid (2) · Error (0)

I am currently using MilkyWay as a backup mostly zero resource share project until I reach some goals at other projects that have a highly variable number and types of tasks available.
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