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Message 8414 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:59:23 UTC - in response to Message 8413.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.


Becouse you are using the opti app. If you rename the app_info.xml file, then BOINC downloads the stock app in that folder. (after stop and restart BOINC, of course)


Ok; but I was using the standard app yesterday; and didnt delete anything. Would boinc have deleted it by itself?

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Message 8415 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:01:37 UTC - in response to Message 8414.  

Boinc deletes the standard app whenever you add an optimized one to the folder.
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Message 8416 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:01:38 UTC - in response to Message 8414.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.


Becouse you are using the opti app. If you rename the app_info.xml file, then BOINC downloads the stock app in that folder. (after stop and restart BOINC, of course)


Ok; but I was using the standard app yesterday; and didnt delete anything. Would boinc have deleted it by itself?



Yes. Is the standar actuation of BOINC.
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Message 8417 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:08:16 UTC - in response to Message 8416.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.


Becouse you are using the opti app. If you rename the app_info.xml file, then BOINC downloads the stock app in that folder. (after stop and restart BOINC, of course)


Ok; but I was using the standard app yesterday; and didnt delete anything. Would boinc have deleted it by itself?



Yes. Is the standar actuation of BOINC.



Ahhh, well that would explain why I couldnt find it then, lol!! ok, so then I will remove the opti app, let boinc copy down the standard app, then copy the executable for it and ru the test to see if I get the same result. I will let you know what happens!
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Message 8418 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:14:13 UTC - in response to Message 8417.  
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Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.


Becouse you are using the opti app. If you rename the app_info.xml file, then BOINC downloads the stock app in that folder. (after stop and restart BOINC, of course)


Ok; but I was using the standard app yesterday; and didnt delete anything. Would boinc have deleted it by itself?



Yes. Is the standar actuation of BOINC.



Ahhh, well that would explain why I couldnt find it then, lol!! ok, so then I will remove the opti app, let boinc copy down the standard app, then copy the executable for it and ru the test to see if I get the same result. I will let you know what happens!


Don't remove the opti app only rename the app_info.xml. If you remove the opti, BOINC will be return your actual wus with error when it can't find an app with to crunch them. When the next wu is downloaded, then the stock app too.
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Message 8419 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:39:45 UTC - in response to Message 8418.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.


Becouse you are using the opti app. If you rename the app_info.xml file, then BOINC downloads the stock app in that folder. (after stop and restart BOINC, of course)


Ok; but I was using the standard app yesterday; and didnt delete anything. Would boinc have deleted it by itself?



Yes. Is the standar actuation of BOINC.



Ahhh, well that would explain why I couldnt find it then, lol!! ok, so then I will remove the opti app, let boinc copy down the standard app, then copy the executable for it and ru the test to see if I get the same result. I will let you know what happens!


Don't remove the opti app only rename the app_info.xml. If you remove the opti, BOINC will be return your actual wus with error when it can't find an app with to crunch them. When the next wu is downloaded, then the stock app too.



Sure--now you tell me!! Oh; well. The standard and optimized app gave different numbers, so it looks like it does not work properly. In any case; I am back using the standard app and will stay with it for now. Thank You to everyone who walked me thru. I do appreciate it!!

Thanks

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Message 8420 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 21:58:33 UTC
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I am having problems doing the comparison. I downloaded the test files without any problem, then duplicated the folder, one to run with the stock app, and one to run with the opt app. Oddly enough, I was able to run the opt app in stand alone mode just fine. It is with the stock app that I am having problems.

The opt app (astronomy_sse3_app) "out" file says:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371



But when I try to run the stock app (milkyway_0.7_windows_x86_64) in stand alone mode, I get no "out" file. The stderr file says:

Will run in standalone mode.
APP: error resolving search parameters file (for write): -108
filename: out
resolved output path: out

So I've hit a wall, in trying to compare the stock app to the opt app. FWIW, this is with XP64.

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Message 8421 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 22:07:50 UTC - in response to Message 8420.  

I am having problems doing the comparison. I downloaded the test files without any problem, then duplicated the folder, one to run with the stock app, and one to run with the opt app. Oddly enough, I was able to run the opt app in stand alone mode just fine. It is with the stock app that I am having problems.

The opt app (astronomy_sse3_app) "out" file says:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371



But when I try to run the stock app (milkyway_0.7_windows_x86_64) in stand alone mode, I get no "out" file. The stderr file says:

Will run in standalone mode.
APP: error resolving search parameters file (for write): -108
filename: out
resolved output path: out

So I've hit a wall, in trying to compare the stock app to the opt app. FWIW, this is with XP64.



You might need to remove the previous "out" file (generated by the other app) and the checkpoint file it generates.
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Message 8422 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 22:07:51 UTC - in response to Message 8420.  

I am having problems doing the comparison. I downloaded the test files without any problem, then duplicated the folder, one to run with the stock app, and one to run with the opt app. Oddly enough, I was able to run the opt app in stand alone mode just fine. It is with the stock app that I am having problems.

The opt app (astronomy_sse3_app) "out" file says:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371



But when I try to run the stock app (milkyway_0.7_windows_x86_64) in stand alone mode, I get no "out" file. The stderr file says:

Will run in standalone mode.
APP: error resolving search parameters file (for write): -108
filename: out
resolved output path: out

So I've hit a wall, in trying to compare the stock app to the opt app. FWIW, this is with XP64.



You might need to remove the previous "out" file (generated by the other app) and the checkpoint file it generates.
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Message 8423 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 22:15:59 UTC - in response to Message 8422.  

You might need to remove the previous "out" file (generated by the other app) and the checkpoint file it generates.


These were in completely separate, duplicated folders, from the top "milkyway" on down. In any case, I deleted the files from the opt folder, tried running the stock app in the stock folder, and got the same problem. I tried deleting the opt folder all together with no success.




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Message 8424 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 23:18:10 UTC - in response to Message 8423.  

You might need to remove the previous "out" file (generated by the other app) and the checkpoint file it generates.


These were in completely separate, duplicated folders, from the top "milkyway" on down. In any case, I deleted the files from the opt folder, tried running the stock app in the stock folder, and got the same problem. I tried deleting the opt folder all together with no success.




you might need to just put an empty "out" file in the directory for the stock app... i think i've seen this problem a couple times.
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Message 8425 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 23:25:37 UTC

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Why linux, OSX, and Win stock apps gave different results with the same wu?

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Message 8426 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 23:38:29 UTC - in response to Message 8425.  

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Why linux, OSX, and Win stock apps gave different results with the same wu?

Best regards.


At what level of accuracy?
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Message 8427 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 23:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 8424.  
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you might need to just put an empty "out" file in the directory for the stock app... i think i've seen this problem a couple times.


That fixed it. Here are the results. Each app's results is repeatable, but the stock result does not match the SSE3 opt app result. Am I correct in assuming we should be looking at the fitness value?

1st opt app run:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371

2nd opt app run:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371




1st stockrun:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.046272445362277

2nd stock run:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.046272445362277

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Message 8428 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 23:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 8426.  

@ Travis

Why linux, OSX, and Win stock apps gave different results with the same wu?

Best regards.


At what level of accuracy?

So I guess this SSE3-Version saves the party for us.

Result of the Test-WU:
fitness: -3.046272445362275
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Message 8429 - Posted: 16 Jan 2009, 0:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 8427.  

you might need to just put an empty "out" file in the directory for the stock app... i think i've seen this problem a couple times.


That fixed it. Here are the results. Each app's results is repeatable, but the stock result does not match the SSE3 opt app result. Am I correct in assuming we should be looking at the fitness value?

1st opt app run:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371

2nd opt app run:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.106718478181371




1st stockrun:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.046272445362277

2nd stock run:

searchname
parameters [8]: 0.670000000000000 13.500000000000000 -1.734601060000000 33.352644669999997 27.423781280000000 1.244802812944947 1.914950983451476 2.500000000000000
metadata: this is the metadata
fitness: -3.046272445362277



Yeah the fitness is what we're looking at.
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Message 8430 - Posted: 16 Jan 2009, 0:37:16 UTC

has any one checked the sse2 out too see if its working right
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Message 8431 - Posted: 16 Jan 2009, 0:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 8430.  

I just ran the SSE2 app on that same machine. The results matched the SSE3 results. So neither SSE2 or SSE3 match the stock app.

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Message 8432 - Posted: 16 Jan 2009, 0:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 8431.  

I just ran the SSE2 app on that same machine. The results matched the SSE3 results. So neither SSE2 or SSE3 match the stock app.


Are these the apps from the MW.rar download?

If not, would you please specify exactly which apps you tested?

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Message 8433 - Posted: 16 Jan 2009, 0:54:09 UTC - in response to Message 8428.  

So I guess this SSE3-Version saves the party for us.

Result of the Test-WU:
fitness: -3.046272445362275


Yes, I also got
fitness: -3.046272445362275

But that still does not match the stock app output of
fitness: -3.046272445362277




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