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Message 8390 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 8389.  

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I do not think we can from our computers. As Travis posted here about the only method to verify that good results are being churned out.



And how would one do that? There were no sample inputs given with the code. Just the same link and app that others downloaded from arizmoon.com


Yes there are, if you go to http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/code_release/
all of these have sample input files.



Ok, I downloaded the Milkyway release .7 (I am assuming that I was supposed to download the latest one?) Now what do I do with them? Sorry--I dont mean to be a pain...

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You should be able to put the milkyway executable and the other executable in the same directory with the sample inputs and run them. This would be (from where you uncompressed the files) ./milkyway/bin/test_files/



Ok, copied them into the same folder and ran them, now what am I looking at?

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Message 8391 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:05:57 UTC - in response to Message 8354.  

with the new changes over the weekend we will be not awarding credits to invalid results returned (and perhaps even docking them). We're still working out a good policy for this, so expect a news post soon.



Well thats fair enough.

We have to discover if the bad math is coming from o/clocking, bad code or what.
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Message 8392 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:10:36 UTC - in response to Message 8390.  

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I do not think we can from our computers. As Travis posted here about the only method to verify that good results are being churned out.



And how would one do that? There were no sample inputs given with the code. Just the same link and app that others downloaded from arizmoon.com


Yes there are, if you go to http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/code_release/
all of these have sample input files.



Ok, I downloaded the Milkyway release .7 (I am assuming that I was supposed to download the latest one?) Now what do I do with them? Sorry--I dont mean to be a pain...

Thanks





You should be able to put the milkyway executable and the other executable in the same directory with the sample inputs and run them. This would be (from where you uncompressed the files) ./milkyway/bin/test_files/



Ok, copied them into the same folder and ran them, now what am I looking at?




in this folder you'll find file "out", last line of this file is your result.
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Message 8393 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 8346.  


I will put zip alternatives on www.arizmoon.com for the rar downloads later this evening.


This done. In the spirit of improving and sharing ...

www.arizmoon.com provides an additional download site for those who need it. Thank you.


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Message 8394 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:17:35 UTC - in response to Message 8392.  

Beau

I do not think we can from our computers. As Travis posted here about the only method to verify that good results are being churned out.



And how would one do that? There were no sample inputs given with the code. Just the same link and app that others downloaded from arizmoon.com


Yes there are, if you go to http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/code_release/
all of these have sample input files.



Ok, I downloaded the Milkyway release .7 (I am assuming that I was supposed to download the latest one?) Now what do I do with them? Sorry--I dont mean to be a pain...

Thanks





You should be able to put the milkyway executable and the other executable in the same directory with the sample inputs and run them. This would be (from where you uncompressed the files) ./milkyway/bin/test_files/



Ok, copied them into the same folder and ran them, now what am I looking at?




in this folder you'll find file "out", last line of this file is your result.



Ok, and where is the "stock" Milkyway application located? I looked in ...application data/boinc/projects/milkyway... as well as under program files, but couldnt seem to find it.

Thanks!
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Message 8395 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:22:05 UTC - in response to Message 8373.  

If you scroll to the next 20 results, and on, it will show whether the WU results are valid as the results given are quoted as successful under the title Outcome.



You'd have to run the stock app stand-alone and check the result to see if the result of the computation is OK.
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Message 8397 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:24:25 UTC - in response to Message 8395.  

If you scroll to the next 20 results, and on, it will show whether the WU results are valid as the results given are quoted as successful under the title Outcome.



You'd have to run the stock app stand-alone and check the result to see if the result of the computation is OK.



Yes, and how would one do that? Where is the stock app executable located on the system?
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Message 8400 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 19:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 8389.  
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You should be able to put the milkyway executable and the other executable in the same directory with the sample inputs and run them. This would be (from where you uncompressed the files) ./milkyway/bin/test_files/


I tried the new app on one of my computers last night and it tossed 32 results in less than 2 minutes.( while I was having a cow trying to figure out how to stop it) When I managed to get everything stopped I detacted, deleted the MW folder and copied my backup (from just before the switchover) and the ones in my cache were rejected as already returned. (which it should have) Back on the standard app here since then.

Travis if you need to look at my system's result the ID for that computer is 36995. My computers are hidden so I suspect that you can still access it if necessary.


PS... All workunits during this test have 0 credits, Only the ones I have run with the "Official" app are receiving credits. Pretty clear cut line of where it started and ended on my system.
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Message 8401 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:11:03 UTC - in response to Message 8397.  

If you scroll to the next 20 results, and on, it will show whether the WU results are valid as the results given are quoted as successful under the title Outcome.



You'd have to run the stock app stand-alone and check the result to see if the result of the computation is OK.



Yes, and how would one do that? Where is the stock app executable located on the system?


Okay.
Run BOINC for a bit on a MILKYWAY workunit.

Go here and scroll down to find the app suitable for your system (probably milkyway_07_windows_intel86 or x86_64) and download it.

Shut BOINC down, go to \Application Data\BOINC\Slots and create a new folder, paste the app. into it.

Look in the other slots and find one thats got a MILKYWAY part-finished in it, COPY files astronomy_parameters, search_parameters and stars to your new folder.

Doubleclick Milkyway_07 to start it up and sit till its finished running.

CUT your NEW FOLDER from there and PASTE it somewhere else (My Docs, perhaps) so as not to confuse BOINC when you start it up.

Now restart BOINC and let it finish the same work, set BOINC Network Activity Suspended so it wont upload the work as soon as its finished.

Open the RESULT you did with the new app (in My Docs\New Folder) with Wordpad, compare it with the result you'll find in Application Data\BOINC\projects\milkyway
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Message 8402 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:21:27 UTC - in response to Message 8401.  

If you scroll to the next 20 results, and on, it will show whether the WU results are valid as the results given are quoted as successful under the title Outcome.



You'd have to run the stock app stand-alone and check the result to see if the result of the computation is OK.



Yes, and how would one do that? Where is the stock app executable located on the system?


Okay.
Run BOINC for a bit on a MILKYWAY workunit.

Go here and scroll down to find the app suitable for your system (probably milkyway_07_windows_intel86 or x86_64) and download it.

Shut BOINC down, go to \Application Data\BOINC\Slots and create a new folder, paste the app. into it.

Look in the other slots and find one thats got a MILKYWAY part-finished in it, COPY files astronomy_parameters, search_parameters and stars to your new folder.

Doubleclick Milkyway_07 to start it up and sit till its finished running.

CUT your NEW FOLDER from there and PASTE it somewhere else (My Docs, perhaps) so as not to confuse BOINC when you start it up.

Now restart BOINC and let it finish the same work, set BOINC Network Activity Suspended so it wont upload the work as soon as its finished.

Open the RESULT you did with the new app (in My Docs\New Folder) with Wordpad, compare it with the result you'll find in Application Data\BOINC\projects\milkyway



Isnt that basically playing around with a "live" WU? I dont think thats a great idea. If you can test the optimized app on the test WU's, why cant that be done with the standard app then just compare the results? It seems like it would be a piece of cake to do; but apparently no one is sure where the actual standard executable lives on a typical PC.
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Message 8403 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:30:52 UTC - in response to Message 8402.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe
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Message 8405 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:39:29 UTC - in response to Message 8403.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.
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Message 8406 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:39:39 UTC

Any comfirmation if the new app's are accurate or not? I would like to keep using the sse2.rar version, but only if it is ok.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 8407 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:41:41 UTC - in response to Message 8405.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.



It (Boinc) will be wherever you installed it to. Or search for Boinc. Then look in that.
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Message 8408 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:43:36 UTC - in response to Message 8406.  

Any comfirmation if the new app's are accurate or not? I would like to keep using the sse2.rar version, but only if it is ok.

Same goes for me with the SSE3 app. Would like to use it but need confirmation, too. ;-)
Lovely greetings, Cori
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Message 8409 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:44:16 UTC - in response to Message 8407.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.



It (Boinc) will be wherever you installed it to. Or search for Boinc. Then look in that.


It is installed in the default locations, no paths were modified. The project folder by default was installed in the \all users\application data\boinc folder, while the rest of it went under c:\program files\boinc. This was all by default.
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Message 8410 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:45:13 UTC - in response to Message 8409.  
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You usually have to use 'C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC' for XP

or 'C:\ProgramData\BOINC' for Vista
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Message 8411 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:47:31 UTC - in response to Message 8410.  

You usually have to use C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC for XP



Yes; already looked there, however it is just boinc, not boinc for xp.
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Message 8412 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:53:07 UTC - in response to Message 8411.  

It differs based on the OS. See above for one of the Vista pathways (there are multiple). Also Vista users beware that you have to enable hidden files to see the ProgramData file under your C drive, and that sometimes BOINC installs itself under the Users file instead.
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Message 8413 - Posted: 15 Jan 2009, 20:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 8405.  

Your standard app can typically be found on a Windows PC in

C:\Program Files\BOINC\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu_milkyway\milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe



There is no c:\program files\boinc\projects folder. If I look in the \all users\application data\boinc\projects\milkyway.cs.rpi.edu.milkyway folder; there is no milkyway_0.7_windows_intelx86.exe file in there at all (not even anything close to it) I have been running the stock app since I started with milkyway and I did not overwrite any files when copying the custom app in.


Becouse you are using the opti app. If you rename the app_info.xml file, then BOINC downloads the stock app in that folder. (after stop and restart BOINC, of course)
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