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Message 8852 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 15:56:58 UTC

If you are going to allow optimized apps, why not validate a few of them, and make those apps available for download on the site?

I'll be honest, I don't have time to check every day, sift through the forums, and find the correct optimized apps for all my computers, then spend time each day installing the optimized app on each of my clients. And the alternative is to take 10x longer to crunch units.

Hell, validate a couple PEOPLE who regularly create optimized apps, and ask them manage it for you if you don't have time for it.

I believe offering officially sanctioned optimized apps would go a long way toward restoring some good will on this project.
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Message 8853 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 16:01:00 UTC - in response to Message 8852.  

If you are going to allow optimized apps, why not validate a few of them, and make those apps available for download on the site?

I'll be honest, I don't have time to check every day, sift through the forums, and find the correct optimized apps for all my computers, then spend time each day installing the optimized app on each of my clients. And the alternative is to take 10x longer to crunch units.

Hell, validate a couple PEOPLE who regularly create optimized apps, and ask them manage it for you if you don't have time for it.

I believe offering officially sanctioned optimized apps would go a long way toward restoring some good will on this project.


yes!...ie SETI-
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=31810
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Message 8855 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 17:04:49 UTC

I was going to ask the same about those clooeagues who usually produce optimised clients.

The ones I mean are those with the performance levels of Milksop's (originally) and the recent optimised clients (SSE, SSE2 and SSE3 versions).

When the assimlator/validator script has sorted out the clients using the agreed format, and thise validated to give good results. Can those who can compile/recompile the various OS stock semi-optimised client code be allowed these to become general release ones to the community.

Obvoiusly the clients will need Admin validation.

I hope this happens soon, but it will be a level of work what with the different OSes and different CPUs!!
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Message 8856 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 17:05:30 UTC - in response to Message 8852.  

If you are going to allow optimized apps, why not validate a few of them, and make those apps available for download on the site?

I'll be honest, I don't have time to check every day, sift through the forums, and find the correct optimized apps for all my computers, then spend time each day installing the optimized app on each of my clients. And the alternative is to take 10x longer to crunch units.

Hell, validate a couple PEOPLE who regularly create optimized apps, and ask them manage it for you if you don't have time for it.

I believe offering officially sanctioned optimized apps would go a long way toward restoring some good will on this project.


There's an optimized linux app in our code discussion forum. No one has come forth with one for osx or windows. If they'd post it I'd be happy to verify it for everyone.
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Message 8861 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 20:15:57 UTC

Travis, please check this thread. A user by the name of Gipsel is distributing optimised SSE2/3 builds for Windows there. (these were originally recommended in 'New faster application?') Apparently his latest build, while compatible with the current WUs, is based on 0.07 code due to the GPL licensing on later versions. I realise the thread is in German but a bit of Google Translate should do the trick, and they can probably answer you in English if you want to open a dialogue. (assuming there isn't anyone from there already posting here)
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Message 8862 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 20:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 8861.  

(assuming there isn't anyone from there already posting here)

he is an active user here in the mw board, dont worry ;)
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Message 8863 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 20:58:37 UTC - in response to Message 8861.  

Travis, please check this thread. A user by the name of Gipsel is distributing optimised SSE2/3 builds for Windows there. (these were originally recommended in 'New faster application?') Apparently his latest build, while compatible with the current WUs, is based on 0.07 code due to the GPL licensing on later versions. I realise the thread is in German but a bit of Google Translate should do the trick, and they can probably answer you in English if you want to open a dialogue. (assuming there isn't anyone from there already posting here)


I doubt Gooogle translate will do the job.
And I doubt Travis wants all that translated...
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Message 8870 - Posted: 22 Jan 2009, 23:54:10 UTC - in response to Message 8863.  
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The changes between 0.7 and 11 are in the code outputting the appname and version, so it's not a huge issue if they're using 0.7 at the moment. However, when the application gets updated with changes to the likelihood optimization this will be an issue, and older optimized apps won't be awarded credit.

It's pretty sad that people are unwilling to share their code, after such a fuss was made for us to open source it.

I'm going to remove the older versions of the code from the code releases directory (not like it matters because if someone really wants it they could find it), so all future offered code is GPLed.
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Message 8873 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 0:01:03 UTC

Possibly they didn't get the message soon enough. Not everyone checks these boards constantly. They weren't given that much time, a few days isn't much time for the word to get around.
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Message 8878 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 1:08:15 UTC - in response to Message 8873.  

Possibly they didn't get the message soon enough. Not everyone checks these boards constantly. They weren't given that much time, a few days isn't much time for the word to get around.


From what I read 07 was used because 11 was GPL'd...

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Message 8881 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 2:08:41 UTC - in response to Message 8870.  
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It's pretty sad that people are unwilling to share their code, after such a fuss was made for us to open source it.

I think this statement is not fair. How much faster is the current stock application compared to the 1.22 version? If I remember it right, there is a factor of 50 or so between them if one takes the now 4 times longer WUs into account.

Who would have known that such a gain is possible with a closed source? Where did the suggestions for the improvements come from?

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Just forgot to ask who told you where to find the memory leak of the 0.07 and also how to correct the precision issue in the checkpoints. If I remember it right there was a post here somewhere in the forums hinting at the solution. It must be a wierd coincidence that the updated 0.08 version was announced just after that.

Btw., did you get my PM?
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Message 8882 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 2:15:43 UTC - in response to Message 8878.  

From what I read 07 was used because 11 was GPL'd...

First and foremost it was used because the 0.07 app existed and it is just a very small change as Travis said. As in the 0.07 app over there the problems with the memory leak and the checkpointing were already fixed, there was also no need to update to 0.08. Actually the 0.07 there was more a 0.08 right from the beginning.

And for you information, it is much easier just to add the app_name and version to the output as to import the whole project again to MSVS.
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Message 8885 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 6:04:51 UTC - in response to Message 8881.  

It's pretty sad that people are unwilling to share their code, after such a fuss was made for us to open source it.

I think this statement is not fair. How much faster is the current stock application compared to the 1.22 version? If I remember it right, there is a factor of 50 or so between them if one takes the now 4 times longer WUs into account.

Who would have known that such a gain is possible with a closed source? Where did the suggestions for the improvements come from?

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Just forgot to ask who told you where to find the memory leak of the 0.07 and also how to correct the precision issue in the checkpoints. If I remember it right there was a post here somewhere in the forums hinting at the solution. It must be a wierd coincidence that the updated 0.08 version was announced just after that.

Your comments here would be fair and reasonable if Travis had said 'ALL people'. But you must be aware that some people are not sharing their code, and I'm sure that's who Travis was referring to.
I can imagine his frustration. People make a fuss to get the code released and then the modified code is not released. But of course it might not be the same people.

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Message 8909 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 21:25:18 UTC - in response to Message 8882.  

From what I read 07 was used because 11 was GPL'd...

First and foremost it was used because the 0.07 app existed and it is just a very small change as Travis said. As in the 0.07 app over there the problems with the memory leak and the checkpointing were already fixed, there was also no need to update to 0.08. Actually the 0.07 there was more a 0.08 right from the beginning.

And for you information, it is much easier just to add the app_name and version to the output as to import the whole project again to MSVS.


Yeah I totally understand that. So far the optimized apps seem to be running nicely and giving good results, which is nice.
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Message 8912 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 21:31:29 UTC - in response to Message 8909.  

Yeah I totally understand that. So far the optimized apps seem to be running nicely and giving good results, which is nice.


Any Window's Optimized Apps working?
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Message 8913 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 21:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 8912.  

Any Window's Optimized Apps working?

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Please could we have a sticky and read-only thread listing optimised apps for the various OS flavours that are approved by the project?

The app suppliers could PM you (or other admin) with the results of their efforts and then everyone would have one place to find the latest opti app.
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Message 8914 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 22:23:35 UTC - in response to Message 8913.  

Please could we have a sticky and read-only thread listing optimised apps for the various OS flavours that are approved by the project?


Yes that would make it easy to check. And possibly give the dl link to other optimized apps that are approved.
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Message 8918 - Posted: 23 Jan 2009, 23:39:31 UTC - in response to Message 8913.  

Any Window's Optimized Apps working?

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Please could we have a sticky and read-only thread listing optimised apps for the various OS flavours that are approved by the project?


I agree with the above sentiment. If any of the optimised Windows apps that return good results are acceptable, please let us know. Those among us who are not competent programmers (yet!) would like top be able to use apps that return good results, if at all possible.
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Message 8924 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 1:04:36 UTC - in response to Message 8918.  

Any Window's Optimized Apps working?

@Travis

Please could we have a sticky and read-only thread listing optimised apps for the various OS flavours that are approved by the project?


I agree with the above sentiment. If any of the optimised Windows apps that return good results are acceptable, please let us know. Those among us who are not competent programmers (yet!) would like top be able to use apps that return good results, if at all possible.



Supported very strongly
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Message 9237 - Posted: 26 Jan 2009, 23:07:09 UTC - in response to Message 8924.  

Me too!!!


Any Window's Optimized Apps working?

@Travis

Please could we have a sticky and read-only thread listing optimised apps for the various OS flavours that are approved by the project?


I agree with the above sentiment. If any of the optimised Windows apps that return good results are acceptable, please let us know. Those among us who are not competent programmers (yet!) would like top be able to use apps that return good results, if at all possible.



Supported very strongly


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