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Message 8942 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 19:57:11 UTC

Starting a new thread for people to let out all their credit rage :)
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Message 8951 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 20:33:17 UTC - in response to Message 8942.  
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Ummmh... Let me understand well... (sorry, my english is a shame)

Are you saying that all the help of the optimizers to you will be punished...?


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Message 8953 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 20:49:35 UTC - in response to Message 8951.  

Ummmh... Let me understand well... (sorry, my english is a shame)

Are you saying that all the help of the optimizers to you will be punished...?


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It has always been our position to keep credit in line with other BOINC projects. Additionally, I stated that as we improve the performance of the application we'd reduce awarded credit to keep it in line with other BOINC projects.
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Message 8954 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 20:53:34 UTC - in response to Message 8953.  

Ummmh... Let me understand well... (sorry, my english is a shame)

Are you saying that all the help of the optimizers to you will be punished...?


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It has always been our position to keep credit in line with other BOINC projects. Additionally, I stated that as we improve the performance of the application we'd reduce awarded credit to keep it in line with other BOINC projects.


Yes, always your position were to punish to the optimizers whom gave you a hand and fix and improve your mistakes...
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Message 8955 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 20:55:12 UTC - in response to Message 8954.  

Ummmh... Let me understand well... (sorry, my english is a shame)

Are you saying that all the help of the optimizers to you will be punished...?


Best regards.


It has always been our position to keep credit in line with other BOINC projects. Additionally, I stated that as we improve the performance of the application we'd reduce awarded credit to keep it in line with other BOINC projects.


Yes, always your position were to punish to the optimizers whom gave you a hand and fix and improve your mistakes...


Actually, the latest change, in one sense, will help people running optimized applications, because they won't be running into the server imposed credit limit anymore.
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Message 8957 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:00:21 UTC - in response to Message 8955.  

Ummmh... Let me understand well... (sorry, my english is a shame)

Are you saying that all the help of the optimizers to you will be punished...?


Best regards.


It has always been our position to keep credit in line with other BOINC projects. Additionally, I stated that as we improve the performance of the application we'd reduce awarded credit to keep it in line with other BOINC projects.


Yes, always your position were to punish to the optimizers whom gave you a hand and fix and improve your mistakes...


Actually, the latest change, in one sense, will help people running optimized applications, because they won't be running into the server imposed credit limit anymore.


Are you saying that now there are no credis limit?
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Message 8958 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:02:45 UTC
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The "optimizers" sure like their credits but I don't think it was their goal to ruin the credit system completely. *LOL*

To be true, MW gives out extraordinary good credits right now, with the reduction it's still giving good credits.

PS. And the optimized apps are really a fantastic improvement.


EDIT: I think Travis is speaking of the 108cr/h credits limit which was set to prevent too high credits for the optimized apps.
If credits are generally lowered it's unlikely you will hit that "cap" from now on.
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Message 8959 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:06:55 UTC

Come on Logan, reducing the credit to a half just puts the stock in line with seti AK V8 - which is still too much for CPP.

The optimized/recompiled apps still get more.


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Message 8961 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:10:46 UTC - in response to Message 8959.  
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Come on Logan, reducing the credit to a half just puts the stock in line with seti AK V8 - which is still too much for CPP.

The optimized/recompiled apps still get more.



Don't worry, you can came to SETI and let us in peace here...:)
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Message 8962 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:16:59 UTC - in response to Message 8958.  

If credits are generally lowered it's unlikely you will hit that "cap" from now on.


ouch - i'll have to dig deep to find a "thing" not hitting it...

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Message 8963 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:18:53 UTC - in response to Message 8954.  


Yes, always your position were to punish to the optimizers whom gave you a hand and fix and improve your mistakes...


of course this implies that MW research is as valuable as hunting for YETI..
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Message 8964 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:33:41 UTC - in response to Message 8959.  

Come on Logan, reducing the credit to a half just puts the stock in line with seti AK V8 - which is still too much for CPP.

The optimized/recompiled apps still get more.



Comparison before adjustment : (Windows Vista q6600)

Seti AK V8 : Average. 3660 sec. = 43,76 credits

MW stock app 0.13 : Average. 3550 sec. = 39,85 credits

Assuming my calculator is OK, they both gave almost the same credits per sec.

on my rig. So where was the problem ???

Regards

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Message 8966 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:47:18 UTC - in response to Message 8964.  

So where was the problem ???


On mine I was getting more tha rosetta, but that's because it's a lower paying project for many users, 6-7 credits/hr/avg for me. A couple years ago I got 13/hr/avg. Thats due to having a slower computer and lowering the credits over time. With the credit cut I might as well stick to running rosetta, not much to draw me to do this project untill some optimized apps come along.

The credits work out different for each different setup, always some do better and some slower.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 8967 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:50:37 UTC

Complaint: There should be more cheese on my pizza.
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Message 8968 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:50:54 UTC - in response to Message 8964.  

Come on Logan, reducing the credit to a half just puts the stock in line with seti AK V8 - which is still too much for CPP.

The optimized/recompiled apps still get more.



Comparison before adjustment : (Windows Vista q6600)

Seti AK V8 : Average. 3660 sec. = 43,76 credits

MW stock app 0.13 : Average. 3550 sec. = 39,85 credits

Assuming my calculator is OK, they both gave almost the same credits per sec.

on my rig. So where was the problem ???

Regards

Kurt


Quite a difference looking on older rigs.

My long term observation:

this host did 1100 with seti optimized (AK-V8) - 2000 with MW stock

this host did ~500 with seti optimized (AK-V8) - 850 with MW stock

this host did ~700 with seti optimized (2.4) - 1050 with MW stock

(Numbers are from last week - those run recompiled now)

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Message 8969 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 21:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 8967.  

Complaint: There should be more cheese on my pizza.


Cheese is cut to half too due the high cholesterol. :D
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Message 8970 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 22:03:52 UTC - in response to Message 8969.  

Cheese is cut to half too due the high cholesterol. :D


but i got ZERO cholesterol problems - so why would i want less cheese?
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Message 8974 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 22:57:35 UTC - in response to Message 8942.  

Starting a new thread for people to let out all their credit rage :)

I hate cheese.
Oh, and I'm made as heck about the opti app developers not tagging in time.
Tag, you're it.
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Message 8978 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 23:41:59 UTC
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We notice that you like to make friends, Travis ...:)
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Message 8980 - Posted: 24 Jan 2009, 23:53:07 UTC

Posted in the wrong thread..

According to this site: http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/e107_plugins/boinc/get_cpcs.php

The milkyway app is 1.6 x faster that the seti stock app. Cutting by 1/2 will put you in the sub 1. range.

I would seriously reconsider giving out less than the seti stock app. This is still an alpha project no?
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