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Message 12493 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 7:08:56 UTC

{Special note for MW users: it is not that I want to impinge on CampaignForLiberty’s little test, and he beat me to it by a few hours, but, I did have a similar idea. Since I am actually using the same computer, and processing four different projects instead of two, it will take about a month for accurate results. Think of my lowly, amateur efforts as a control, eh? Let‘s see what happens.}

Here is the plan: I am going to run Q-Baby 24/7, all four cores, for a week on each of four different projects: SETI, Einstein, PrimeGrid and MilkyWay. For the purposes of the experiment, I am only going to be using stock, project supplied applications.

I will be using this basic formula to estimate the weeks worth of credit earned:

Credit Gain = (Ending Credit + New Pending1,2) - (Start Credit + Start Pending2)

1 Pending credit acquired during the week.
2 For projects with a large discrepancy between pending and awarded credit, I will manually guesstimate the difference.

Also, if a project runs out of work during the week, I will extrapolate credit to fill the idle hours.

I've only one computer and it is unhidden so feel free to check my results for yourself.

Before anyone points out the boincstats link that shows all of this already or, even worse, starts crying that my experiment is neither fair nor impartial: I admit all of the above.

I just want to make my own measurements. And, being an admitted attention-seeking-person, I figured I would invite you all along for the ride.

Additionally, in the interests of fairness, I am starting similar threads in the other three concerned projects.

Finally, I freely admit that I have my own preconceived ideas about how all of this will turn out. (My guess, lowest to highest, SETI, Einstein, PrimeGrid, and by a comfortable margin in the credit lead, MilkyWay,) but I think that most of you who know me from other projects know that I will run my experiment honestly and present the results as received. (And will eat crow, if necessary.)

I am only going to be posting to this thread to provide weekly updates so, feel free to discuss amongst yourselves the many error of my ways.


I will begin crunching SETI at 19:00, PST, February 23, 2009.
SETI will end and Einstein begin at 19:00, March 2, 2009.
Einstein will end and PrimeGrid begin at 19:00 PST, March 9, 2009.
PrimeGrid will end and MilkyWay will begin at 19:00 PST, March 16, 2009.
MilkyWay will end at 19:00 PST, March, 23.
Results will be posted by 21:00 PST, March 23.

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Message 12497 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 7:34:54 UTC

Nice one Kenzie. I look forward to seeing the results of both yours and CampaignForLiberty’s test.

I've already pointed this out, but I'll say it again, that i have been crunching solely Einstein and Milkyway on an equal resource share with no optimised aps since I joined this project. It is clear that Milkyway is granting more credit than Einstein.

Einstein: 98
Milkyway: 108


This gap has been getting larger.


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Message 12501 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 7:53:26 UTC

Go for the comparison test, Kenzie, and I look forwards to the conclusions as they develop.
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Message 12508 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 10:57:56 UTC

Yes, all speed to you kenzie, look forward to seeing some results. I like this one as it will be fully representative of what the average end user will see when comparing results and deciding which project to go for. Kenzie like us, won't be tainting her results with all the technical whys and wherefores of fair or unfair comparisons.

The only small comment I would make is that the results will be mainly applicable to her machine and others like it. They may not apply to say a P4 3Ghz, as some projects are more favourable to the slower machines, and some to the faster ones.
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Message 12515 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 12:46:11 UTC - in response to Message 12508.  

cool :) I'm interested to see the results, and also what platforms were used. At least for milkyway it seems that there's a bit of disparity between linux, OS X and windows (and their respective 32 and 64 bit versions).
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Message 12518 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 13:09:17 UTC

Looking forward to seeing the results.

I have one question: when it's time to start the next project will you be cancelling any unfinished work?
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Message 12680 - Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 3:12:18 UTC

Okay, here we go. Now crunching SAH MB with Berkeley supplied apps.

Starting credit is:

324 930 + 1302 pending = 326 232

@ Odd-Rod

I am setting my cache to 1 day and will go NNT about 18 hours before the end of each test and keep a close eye on things the rest of the way.

Some wu’s will likely end up being trashed (apologies to my wing-peeps) but it shouldn’t be too bad.
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Message 12743 - Posted: 24 Feb 2009, 18:27:30 UTC - in response to Message 12680.  

@ Odd-Rod

I am setting my cache to 1 day and will go NNT about 18 hours before the end of each test and keep a close eye on things the rest of the way.

Some wu’s will likely end up being trashed (apologies to my wing-peeps) but it shouldn’t be too bad.


Thanks for the reply.
Trashing should only mean a delay in the credits being awarded. Wouldn't bother me.

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Message 13730 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 3:17:00 UTC

Just a weekly update:

New SAH total including new pending over 168 hours: 338 278

Credit gain: 12 046

71.7 credit/hr

Now crunching Einstein.

Starting Einstein credit: 70 960

See you in a week.

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Message 13733 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 4:10:39 UTC - in response to Message 12493.  

kenzieB wrote:
Here is the plan: I am going to run Q-Baby 24/7, all four cores, for a week on each of four different projects: SETI, Einstein, PrimeGrid and MilkyWay. For the purposes of the experiment, I am only going to be using stock, project supplied applications.


A fine idea. As far as I'm concerned, the more of these tests we can do, the better.

Nicely done page on Q-Baby, though one thing that's not clear is what OS you're running, and I'm not "ept" enough to know how to find out offhand.

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Message 13736 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 4:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 13733.  


Nicely done page on Q-Baby, though one thing that's not clear is what OS you're running, and I'm not "ept" enough to know how to find out offhand.


Looks to be XP. Goto 'view computers' under his name.
Doesn't expecting the unexpected make the unexpected the expected?
If it makes sense, DON'T do it.
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Message 13737 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 4:31:20 UTC - in response to Message 13736.  

Lloyd wrote:

Nicely done page on Q-Baby, though one thing that's not clear is what OS you're running, and I'm not "ept" enough to know how to find out offhand.


banditwolf wrote:
Looks to be XP. Goto 'view computers' under his name.


D'oh! It really sucks to be ignorant, sometimes ;^)

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Message 13739 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 4:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 13736.  


Nicely done page on Q-Baby, though one thing that's not clear is what OS you're running, and I'm not "ept" enough to know how to find out offhand.


Looks to be XP. Goto 'view computers' under his name.


LOL.

It is actually dual boot (Ubuntu and Windows), but for the purposes of this test, XP, SP3.

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Message 13740 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 4:54:52 UTC - in response to Message 13736.  


Nicely done page on Q-Baby, though one thing that's not clear is what OS you're running, and I'm not "ept" enough to know how to find out offhand.


Looks to be XP. Goto 'view computers' under her name.


Fixed that for you!!
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Message 13758 - Posted: 3 Mar 2009, 13:21:42 UTC - in response to Message 13740.  


Nicely done page on Q-Baby, though one thing that's not clear is what OS you're running, and I'm not "ept" enough to know how to find out offhand.


Looks to be XP. Goto 'view computers' under her name.


Fixed that for you!!


Sorry. :P It was ment in a general way.
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Message 14669 - Posted: 10 Mar 2009, 2:13:29 UTC

Weekly update.

New Einstein total including pending (guesstimated at 3.5X multiplier) over 168 hours: 90 618

Credit gain: 19 658

117.01 credit/hr

Nowcrunching Prime Grid (PPS-LLR)

Starting PG credit: 32 203

See ya next Monday. :o)
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Message 15763 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 2:16:17 UTC

Weekly update:

New PG total including pending: 94 856

Old total (typo last week, oops) 82 203

Credit gain: 12 653

77.15/hr over 164 hours (due to 4 hour power outage)

Now crunching Milky Way, project supplied apps.

Starting 50 818

See ya in a week. :o)
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Message 15764 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 2:25:49 UTC - in response to Message 15763.  

kenzieB wrote:
See ya in a week. :o)


Cool. Looking forward to it, and thanks for doing this.

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Message 16907 - Posted: 26 Mar 2009, 6:41:31 UTC

Is your test broken, i did not see any results after nine days
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Message 17237 - Posted: 1 Apr 2009, 2:06:24 UTC - in response to Message 17230.  

Understandable. Thanks for doing the tests.
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