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Message 12527 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 14:09:20 UTC
Last modified: 23 Feb 2009, 14:48:25 UTC

I see CFL has started the Documentation thread for his crunchoff experiemnt.

I suggest that we try to keep that one for updates from him and direct observations and questions about the experiment.

Please use this one for all other comparisons and commentary about the run.

<edit> @ CFL: I saw your last post last night about the problems getting it all set up. It's just goes to prove the old adage, "Nothing is easy. If it was, everyone would be doing it!".

Anyway, it looks like we are off to the races now! :-D

<edit2> I just noticed Kenzie's running a crunchoff as well, so I guess we can use the Grandstand to cheer her on too! ;-)

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Message 12533 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 14:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 12527.  

I see CFL has started the Documentation thread for his crunchoff experiemnt.

I suggest that we try to keep that one for updates from him and direct observations and questions about the experiment.

Please use this one for all other comparisons and commentary about the run.

<edit> @ CFL: I saw your last post last night about the problems getting it all set up. It's just goes to prove the old adage, "Nothing is easy. If it was, everyone would be doing it!".

Anyway, it looks like we are off to the races now! :-D

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I have set the cache on both boxes to 8 days. Not that MW will use it, but with the problems that SETI has, I thought it might be wise to at least have a cache of SETI there.

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Message 12542 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 14:34:22 UTC - in response to Message 12527.  

Anyway, it looks like we are off to the races now! :-D

I bet a tenner in MW to win :/


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Message 12566 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 16:47:08 UTC
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FWIW:

I set up all my hosts to run my project set with equal resource shares several months ago to collect comparative data. In general, it is not as rigorous a test as CFL's, since all these machines have other assigned duties on my personal network and thus are not what I would classify as 'dedicated' crunch boxes.

Anyway, here are the current details (2/22/09) for them, but they aren't hidden on any project they run. So if you're from Missouri, you can check them yourself. ;-)

Application is stock unless otherwise noted.

Unit 1:

400 MHz G3 iMac running Panther, 512 MB RAM

CPCS:

MW: 0.001255
EAH: 0.000431
SAH: 0.000332
LC: No compatible application

Unit 2:

1.83 GHz T2400 (CD Yonah) running XP Pro SP3, 2 GB RAM

MW: 0.004569
EAH: 0.004191
SAH: 0.004789 (AKv8 SSE3)
LC: 0.002666

Unit 3:

2.66 GHz P4 (Northwood) running XP Pro SP3, 1 GB RAM

MW: 0.005952
EAH: 0.003282
SAH: 0.004758 (AKv8 SSE2)
LC: 0.002319

Unit 4:

550 MHz PIII (Katmai) running 2K Pro SP4, 384 MB RAM

MW: 0.001541
EAH: 0.000652
SAH: 0.000701 (AKv8 SSE)
LC: 0.000753

Unit 5:

450 MHz PII (Deschutes) running XP Pro SP3, 384 MB RAM

MW: 0.001579
EAH: 0.000467
SAH: 0.000411 (KWSN 2.4 MMX)
LC: 0.000637

Unit 6:

500 MHz K6-2 running 2K Pro SP4, 256 MB RAM

MW: 0.001568 (Gipsel 0.19)*
EAH: 0.000287
SAH: 0.000196 (KWSN 2.4 MMX)
LC: 0.000567

Unit 7:

450 MHz K6-3 running 2K Server SP4, 384 MB RAM

MW: 0.001129 **
EAH: 0.000354
SAH: 0.000175 (KWSN 2.4 MMX)
LC: 0.000548

Unit 8:

300 MHz K6 running NT4 Server SP6a, 192 MB RAM

MW: 0.000857
EAH: No compatible application
SAH: 0.000126 (KWSN 2.4 MMX)
LC: 0.000335

* Gipsel app used for dual boot 9x compatibility

** either Gipsel or zslip 0.19 used for same reason as before, just not sure which right now. ;-)

The other two hosts I have are K6-2/500's, generally similar to but not identical to the one listed here. The one I chose is the one which consistently performs the best of the three.

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Message 12569 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 16:56:01 UTC - in response to Message 12566.  

** either Gipsel or zslip 0.19 used for same reason as before, just not sure which right now. ;-)

zslip hosts a copy of Gipsel's 0.19 - they are both Gipsel's ;)



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Message 12571 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 17:01:42 UTC - in response to Message 12569.  
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OK, that's what I thought, but mentioned it for thoroughness. ;-)

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Message 12577 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 17:37:36 UTC

@ Alinator: You mention Missouri, is that because it's "The Show Me State?" Or are you from Mo.?
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Message 12578 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 17:40:10 UTC

Both. ;-)
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Message 12580 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 17:52:57 UTC
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LOL, seems I kicked off something here...

Anyway, my 50/50 test box if ready too:

It's also a Q6600 with 2GB RAM with a fresh BOINC install, running Seti stock and MW stock at 50/50 rate.

Host at Milkyway
same Host at Seti

On the Seti side it's set to crunch Multibeam only, but from my experience it'll take at least 4 weeks before the Seti RAC get kind of stabe.

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just to have it in one place:
CampaignForLiberty's post
Kenzie's post
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Message 12581 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 17:57:37 UTC - in response to Message 12580.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS. It isn't subject to availability issues for the most part. Of course you do have to able to get and report some work, which hasn't been easy at SAH this weekend. ;-)

Anyway, the more the merrier for this kind of experiment. :-)

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Message 12583 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:03:42 UTC - in response to Message 12581.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS. It isn't subject to availability issues for the most part. Of course you do have to able to get and report some work, which hasn't been easy at SAH this weekend. ;-)

Anyway, the more the merrier for this kind of experiment. :-)

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Strange enough, I didn't have any problem getting/reporting Seti WUs on this host - all other Seti-host are still trying to upload friday's work...
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Message 12584 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:09:58 UTC - in response to Message 12566.  
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Unit 2:

1.83 GHz T2400 (CD Yonah) running XP Pro SP3, 2 GB RAM

MW: 0.004569
EAH: 0.004191
SAH: 0.004789 (AKv8 SSE3)
LC: 0.002666

Unit 3:

2.66 GHz P4 (Northwood) running XP Pro SP3, 1 GB RAM

MW: 0.005952
EAH: 0.003282
SAH: 0.004758 (AKv8 SSE2)
LC: 0.002319


I picked those two hosts out of your list because they are most indicative of the more popular CPUs out there now... One thing that you didn't put as a disclaimer is that EAH has a "stock" application that is auto-detecting what feature set the processors have, so the "stock" there is running the "_2" (SSE2) application on both systems, unless you have forced it to run at a lower level. With that in mind, that validates what I've suspected for quite some time now, that EAH is significantly underpaying for most SSE2 and higher machines when compared to what you can get at SETI.

As for here, I didn't think SETI was going to be paying out more. In fact, I figured MW would be about 1.6-1.8X. Right now, with only 1 reported result at SETI, the MW system is showing about 1.9X, but I believe the task reported at SETI was one of the lower paying tasks, so the multiple should go down over time.

If that holds true, then we get into whether or not more actual work is being done by the science application to where it deserves to be gaining a higher payout, and then the additional "alpha correction"...
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Message 12585 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 12583.  
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Strange enough, I didn't have any problem getting/reporting Seti WUs on this host - all other Seti-host are still trying to upload friday's work...


Yep, I guess if you were doing Astropulse you could get through.

I'm just doing Multibeam currently, so I was dead in the water except for running cached work.

They seem to be getting things cleared now. I was able to force an upload/report for a task on Unit 6 which had gone over deadline while cooling its heels in the upload queue for two days! Whew! ;-)

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Message 12586 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:15:51 UTC - in response to Message 12581.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS...

Sorry, I don't get it right now... what is CPCS standing for?
(I am no native English speaker so some abbreviations just puzzle me. ;-)))
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Message 12587 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:20:57 UTC - in response to Message 12584.  
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I picked those two hosts out of your list because they are most indicative of the more popular CPUs out there now... One thing that you didn't put as a disclaimer is that EAH has a "stock" application that is auto-detecting what feature set the processors have, so the "stock" there is running the "_2" (SSE2) application on both systems, unless you have forced it to run at a lower level. With that in mind, that validates what I've suspected for quite some time now, that EAH is significantly underpaying for most SSE2 and higher machines when compared to what you can get at SETI.

As for here, I didn't think SETI was going to be paying out more. In fact, I figured MW would be about 1.6-1.8X. Right now, with only 1 reported result at SETI, the MW system is showing about 1.9X, but I believe the task reported at SETI was one of the lower paying tasks, so the multiple should go down over time.

If that holds true, then we get into whether or not more actual work is being done by the science application to where it deserves to be gaining a higher payout, and then the additional "alpha correction"...


Point taken about EAH, and it is the official 'wrapper' stock app which I'm currently running. :-)

If I have been following the discussion correctly here, MW is planning to have something similar when they get to the same point of development. Moral of the story is, you have to make sure to specify what app you're running and any user tweaks you may have put for the other projects in these discussions. ;-)

<edit> I see I neglected to mention BOINC CC version.

Unit 1: 5.10.38

Unit 8: 5.8.16

All the rest are 5.10.13.

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Message 12589 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:33:48 UTC - in response to Message 12586.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS...

Sorry, I don't get it right now... what is CPCS standing for?
(I am no native English speaker so some abbreviations just puzzle me. ;-)))


Sorry....

CPCS = Credit Per Cpu Second.

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Message 12590 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 12589.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS...

Sorry, I don't get it right now... what is CPCS standing for?
(I am no native English speaker so some abbreviations just puzzle me. ;-)))


Sorry....

CPCS = Credit Per Cpu Second.

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Thanks, mate!!! :-)

I got up to "credits per..." and then the puzzle started. *LOL*
Lovely greetings, Cori
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Message 12591 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 12589.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS...

Sorry, I don't get it right now... what is CPCS standing for?
(I am no native English speaker so some abbreviations just puzzle me. ;-)))


Sorry....

CPCS = Credit Per Cpu Second.

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Should we tell them that you love to use TLAs? ;-)
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Message 12592 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:38:45 UTC - in response to Message 12591.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS...

Sorry, I don't get it right now... what is CPCS standing for?
(I am no native English speaker so some abbreviations just puzzle me. ;-)))


Sorry....

CPCS = Credit Per Cpu Second.

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Should we tell them that you love to use TLAs? ;-)


*ROFL* Funny enough I know TLA (Three Letter Acronym). :-D
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Message 12593 - Posted: 23 Feb 2009, 18:39:22 UTC - in response to Message 12586.  

That's why we're using reported CPCS...

Sorry, I don't get it right now... what is CPCS standing for?
(I am no native English speaker so some abbreviations just puzzle me. ;-)))


Based on the size of the numbers, I think it means Credits Per CPU-Sec, or credits per cpu-second.

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