Anything will earn more than a 4890 because as far as I know nobody's got a 4890 to run the WU's with any Stability yet ... ;)

It *should* run under Vista. Cannot test it myself, but as several people run the Cat9.4 driver (supporting the HD4890) under Vista, I assume it would run. The real problem are the WindowsXP versions of the Cat9.3 and 9.4 (doesn't matter if 32 or 64bit). They don't run stable with other GPUs either.

Anything will earn more than a 4890 because as far as I know nobodies got a 4890 to run the WU's with any Stability yet ... ;)

It *should* run under Vista. Cannot test it myself, but as several people run the Cat9.4 driver (supporting the HD4890) under Vista, I assume it would run. The real problem are the Windows XP versions of the Cat9.3 and 9.4 (doesn't matter if 32 or 64bit). They don't run stable with other GPUs either.

Never have run Vista & don't have any plans to or I'd try it ...

A 3850 installed in an i7 will earn more than a 4890 in a dual because the i7 will get 48 work units and the dual only 12

Not strictly true is it......
48 work units or 12, it does not matter.
What makes the difference is and how often you are fed.
If there are no units to be had, your i7 will be on par with everything else.

Like any great athelete.......if you don't get your sustanance, how good will you be.

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I run Vista. Send me your 4890 cards and I'll test it.

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My cards are not 4890, and I aim to keep running them. What I am not running now is some of my PCs. I turned off 4 PCs and 2 laptops this past weekend, and another dual core today. But then I loaded a couple of CPDN WUs on it because they just don't give any fuss or demand micro monitoring. So that should give my cards a chance at some more WUs. I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

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I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

Me either perhaps I should turn off all of my computer and see how many $$$ I can save while waiting for WUs, perhaps that will add up for my new 4890 ;-P.

I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

Me either perhaps I should turn off all of my computer and see how many $$$ I can save while waiting for WUs, perhaps that will add up for my new 4890 ;-P.

I'm tellin' ya what... Some have said that they "can't afford" to have their system idle. Actually, having them idle is more affordable...at least when speaking of money... ;-)

I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

Me either perhaps I should turn off all of my computer and see how many $$$ I can save while waiting for WUs, perhaps that will add up for my new 4890 ;-P.

I'm tellin' ya what... Some have said that they "can't afford" to have their system idle. Actually, having them idle is more affordable...at least when speaking of money... ;-)

Thats so true Brian, but it's much more fun when the systems are whirrin' and the credits are rollin' in :P

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I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

Me either perhaps I should turn off all of my computer and see how many $$$ I can save while waiting for WUs, perhaps that will add up for my new 4890 ;-P.

I'm tellin' ya what... Some have said that they "can't afford" to have their system idle. Actually, having them idle is more affordable...at least when speaking of money... ;-)

Thats so true Brian, but it's much more fun when the systems are whirrin' and the credits are rollin' in :P

It's amazing what 10M credits will buy you. Or perhaps how you can buy 10M credits.

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I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

Me either perhaps I should turn off all of my computer and see how many $$$ I can save while waiting for WUs, perhaps that will add up for my new 4890 ;-P.

I'm tellin' ya what... Some have said that they "can't afford" to have their system idle. Actually, having them idle is more affordable...at least when speaking of money... ;-)

Thats so true Brian, but it's much more fun when the systems are whirrin' and the credits are rollin' in :P

It's amazing what 10M credits will buy you. Or perhaps how you can buy 10M credits.

That's missing the whole point of BOINC, if I might say so. The credits represent the contribution that you have made to BOINC projects. If they represent anything else, then joy and good luck with it ;)

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I can tell I am taking this all too seriously now and I refuse to buy any more of these Guppie cards. Dam things need PCs which clutter up my garage. I have a lizard to put on ice. Laters gators.

Me either perhaps I should turn off all of my computer and see how many $$$ I can save while waiting for WUs, perhaps that will add up for my new 4890 ;-P.

I'm tellin' ya what... Some have said that they "can't afford" to have their system idle. Actually, having them idle is more affordable...at least when speaking of money... ;-)

Thats so true Brian, but it's much more fun when the systems are whirrin' and the credits are rollin' in :P

It's amazing what 10M credits will buy you. Or perhaps how you can buy 10M credits.

That's missing the whole point of BOINC, if I might say so. The credits represent the contribution that you have made to BOINC projects. If they represent anything else, then joy and good luck with it ;)

Well it was already shown at SETI that GPU credit claims had to be reduced and a new formula worked out. So what if you really didn't make that contribution? Perhaps a free credit fiasco ala Cosmo!

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There is another way to reduce the hammering of the server -- eliminate support for ATI GPU <smile>. That is where the server stress started. I'm not advocating that (even though I have no ATI 38xx or 48xx cards deployed -- not a gamer or photo processor or CAD/CAM guy), but as long as folks are seeking to solve a problem, add that as grist for a potentially flaming discussion.



Of course, the easy way to stop the hammering of the server would be to reduce the credits to that of *cough*seti*cough*, or even below that. Then watch how quickly people will stop crunching and hammering here - after some very unpleasant postings in the forum, no doubt.

Excuse me while I put on my fire-resistant suit!
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There is another way to reduce the hammering of the server -- eliminate support for ATI GPU <smile>. That is where the server stress started. I'm not advocating that (even though I have no ATI 38xx or 48xx cards deployed -- not a gamer or photo processor or CAD/CAM guy), but as long as folks are seeking to solve a problem, add that as grist for a potentially flaming discussion.



Of course, the easy way to stop the hammering of the server would be to reduce the credits to that of *cough*seti*cough*, or even below that. Then watch how quickly people will stop crunching and hammering here - after some very unpleasant postings in the forum, no doubt.

Excuse me while I put on my fire-resistant suit!

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Ouch!!!on the no support of ATI thing...

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Oh, I agree, but as long as some folks might consider suggesting the DA Gold Standard, in as much as SETI (via DA's BOINC client) neither has nor WILL support ATI's, then if one makes the 'match SETI' argument, they might as well say match SETI regarding ATI GPU support (ie none, nada).

To me, one of the rebellious charms of the Milkyway project is its willingness to allow the optimized clients to play over here, INCLUDING the ATI GPU optimized clients.

At some point (hopefully in the not TOO distant future), the MilkyWay GPU application will be real, and released for the Milkyway code optimizers to fix so that a MilkyWay_GPU ATI application is available. Then the GPU users here will (hopefully) migrate to Milkyway_GPU which should reduce the stress on work unit starvation here and the various whinges that we see regarding the lack of readily available work. Besides which, my ranking over here (which is ENTIRELY based on CPU processing) will rise under that scenario, and THAT after all is the ONLY thing that matters <giggle>.

Of course, the easy way to stop the hammering of the server would be to reduce the credits to that of *cough*seti*cough*, or even below that. Then watch how quickly people will stop crunching and hammering here - after some very unpleasant postings in the forum, no doubt.

Excuse me while I put on my fire-resistant suit!

Ouch!!!on the no support of ATI thing...

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Of course, the easy way to stop the hammering of the server would be to reduce the credits to that of *cough*seti*cough*, or even below that. Then watch how quickly people will stop crunching and hammering here - after some very unpleasant postings in the forum, no doubt.

I'm sure CPU guys are not hammering as much as we GPU guys do.

Therefore it's a false good idea.

A better solution would be to implement a SETI-ATI-app, and you'll see GPU-guys move away for a fresh source of credit, MW could breath again after that...



I read that Cluster physik developped the MW-ATI-app, could it be possible to reiterate this achievement ?




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Sadly i have just a little bit off a clue but i am sure the GPU ones get many despite some people tell us they don't.
When i check their daily output i see its most of the time excatly what they allways had. So its easy just check them on the big stats sites.
But why some get enormous amounts and why some not even get more then a handfull a week is as much a mistery to me as to others.
Hell i have 4 machines and only 1 gets units sometimes, most of the time only 6 per cpu or at bad days not even that.
Today i finally got some again on my main machine but still is not much.
So maybe i must be glad that i not turned on my 4th machine with 2 ati cards.

Turn it on, you never know you may get some WUs...
Also, its always handy to have a second project running, especially on multi-cored machines. That way if one project has problems [MW not supplying WUs as fast as we'd like, CPDN server meltdown over easter, whatever]then the other project is likely to still be supplying work.

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Ideally ATI-GPU support would be developed for other projects so that they could share the user resource. From what I've read, you can DEPEND on that not happening over in SETI for a number of political and personal reasons. GPU support of any kind on some other projects (Climate comes to mind) is absolutely not in the cards (their applications are running on *FORTRAN*). But there are other projects which might do this -- though it would require 3rd party support.

The thing is with CUDA support, the DA directed BOINC client supports it directly -- so it is possible for the projects to develop 'non-optimized' projects which simply work with 6.4.5 and up of the BOINC client and CUDA GPU's.

For ATI GPU support, there is a need for some significant effort (which may require some collaboration between the folks who put together the ATI-GPU application here and those other projects). Might be nice to see a project which is openly GPU (GPU Grid comes to mind) work toward an ATI optimized client.

For that matter, other projects not owned by DA (say Spinhenge, POEM, Einstein) might be candidates as well. We can hope as with MilkyWay being the ONLY ATI GPU BOINC project, it will continue to be inundated with work requests that it may not be able to fill.

A better solution would be to implement a SETI-ATI-app, and you'll see GPU-guys move away for a fresh source of credit, MW could breath again after that...


I read that Cluster physik developped the MW-ATI-app, could it be possible to reiterate this achievement ?


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For ATI GPU support, there is a need for some significant effort (which may require some collaboration between the folks who put together the ATI-GPU application here and those other projects). Might be nice to see a project which is openly GPU (GPU Grid comes to mind) work toward an ATI optimized client.

For that matter, other projects not owned by DA (say Spinhenge, POEM, Einstein) might be candidates as well. We can hope as with MilkyWay being the ONLY ATI GPU BOINC project, it will continue to be inundated with work requests that it may not be able to fill.

Welll the nice folks that put ATI-GPU's together are AMD and reading over at the BOINC DEV web site fourm they turn around and said no chance you want to run BOINC applications on our hardware you will have to build the application yourself.
The earlest time for BOINC to be running ATI-GPU software like CUDA will be around BOINC 6.8. and since BOINC DEV team don't seam to be in any rush you would be looking at about 2010 or 2011

Oh yes regarding BOINC its self it has one hell of a lot of bugs in it anyway and some even go back to 2007 and have still not been fixed yet. Which include wu distribution problems like getting to many task from one project and not enough from another.

IE. like requesting 1 days work for seti gpu and getting 400 task and my 9800gt's cound not even do that amount in one day.

And also if appears the if you don't have you don't have your preference set on the website to the same a what is set in the BOINC preferences then that will cause problems as well because the override dose not work to well

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Smoke me a kipper ill be back for breakfast

Understood --- pretty much stuff that Paul alluded to earlier. Again, the only way ATI-GPU support will be added to other projects is if they allow their code to be open to 3rd party optimization (as they do here) and have base applications which can be optimized for GPU support. If folks are advocating a 'SETI gold standard' approach to doing things, then they are saying ATI-GPU shouldn't be supported anywhere. The Core BOINC client tends to reflect a fair amount of SETI influence. So I'm not expecting to see ANY help on the client side. Projects willing to be more open about their applications and not as 'not invented here' about things might be possibilities.

I think the sequence will be first to see a successful release of MilkyWay-GPU (with CUDA support), then a successful optimization of that code for CUDA (I expect the first cut release from the MilkyWay folks will NOT be particularly optimized), and then a successful 3rd party optimization for ATI GPU on the MilkyWay-GPU project.

Then, with that experience and success, some diligent and skilled programming souls *might* be able to work with projects that already have a CUDA application and are GPU centric in their approach (such as GPUGrid) and produce an ATI-GPU optimized application for those projects.

At that point ATI-GPU work will be liberated from the MilkyWay only box and thus the load on the server here might be reduced.

I fear the 'front to back' on the process is going to run many, many months though.

Well the nice folks that put ATI-GPU's together are AMD and reading over at the BOINC DEV web site forum they turn around and said no chance you want to run BOINC applications on our hardware you will have to build the application yourself.
The earliest time for BOINC to be running ATI-GPU software like CUDA will be around BOINC 6.8. and since BOINC DEV team doesn't seem to be in any rush you would be looking at about 2010 or 2011

Oh yes regarding BOINC its self it has one hell of a lot of bugs in it anyway and some even go back to 2007 and have still not been fixed yet. Which include wu distribution problems like getting to many task from one project and not enough from another.

IE. like requesting 1 days work for seti gpu and getting 400 task and my 9800gt's cound not even do that amount in one day.

And also if appears the if you don't have you don't have your preference set on the website to the same a what is set in the BOINC preferences then that will cause problems as well because the override dose not work to well

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