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41) Message boards : Number crunching : Keeping Us Up To Date (Message 714)
Posted 28 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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The messages only turned up after this topic started. Other than that we were waiting for the best part of 12 hours for info.


Complete B/S! Check out the most recent threads and you will find a comment and explanations from Travis in most of them:

Fixed Credit / WU started Nov. 27
Cheaters??? started Nov. 26
stats update started Nov. 9
updating binaries started Nov. 27
Server error: can't attach shared memory started Nov. 27
resetting credit started Nov. 27
Please check this host started Nov. 24
No work from project ... started Nov. 23
Different WU-sizes started Nov. 26
No work!! started Nov. 23

In 11 out of the most recent 16 threads Travis kept us informed - long before this thread was opened.

It's time to appologize ...
42) Message boards : Number crunching : Keeping Us Up To Date (Message 701)
Posted 28 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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I've been trying to keep the news updated (somewhat more briefly than what's in here) whenever something new happens. Other more minor details i'm keeping here in the forums :)


Dear Travis,

I DO NOT second the original proposal of this thread! You do a magnificent job of keeping us informed about what's going on (e.g. server crash, electricity blackout, etc.). You do this in a much more detailled way than in most other BOINC projects. Plus you DO listen to the suggestions that are made in this forum (e.h. credits, cheating, etc.)

Thank you very much for this effort and keep this information policy!
43) Message boards : Number crunching : Server error: can't attach shared memory (Message 663)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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I receive this error message:

Di 27 Nov 16:32:20 2007|Milkyway@home|Message from server: Server error: can't attach shared memory
44) Message boards : Number crunching : Fixed Credit / WU (Message 659)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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HM, that is quite little per WU, if it earlier was around 2-4 CS per WU.

It could have at least been 2CS per WU.

Which would make a ratio of 1CS per every 196 SEC of crunching time...
now it's 1CS per 392 Sec which is ever worse than the official SETI,
who have the lowest CS ratio that I know of out of all projects !

Even if Cosmology@home have a fixed credit, they have 100CS per WU,
they of course have a lot longer WUs, but the ratio CS/Crunching time
is still around 140-150 sec per CS.

I think this project will loose a lot of participants this way...

... but that is really your problem I suppose !

At least I'll put Milkyway@home on hold for now, I'm not crunching for peanuts !


Crystallize,

as an alternative you could get a real computer such as a Mac. My 3 years old G5 takes just 172 seconds/work unit, which brings the credit/hour exactly in line with SETI@Home and Einstein@Home. BTW: my Windows XP machine with Dual 3GHz P4 takes appr. 500 seconds/work unit.


45) Message boards : Number crunching : resetting credit (Message 651)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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I suggest you screen just the Top-20 users for manipulated credits and manually reset them to 1. All the rest would probably be much too much work and will most probably upset all users.


Now hang on...

I was the participant leader here for a bit, and am still in the top 20. I have never done anything but used standard BOINC clients, and fiddling with benchmarks. Check with my BOINCstats history. I have done no wrong. And resetting my 33k hard earned credits (especially with all the pop-ups!) is unfair. However, perhaps you mean to reset each result to 1, rather than set the total credits to 1? That I can agree with if it is applied to everyone, not just the top 20 or whatever.


zombie,

I suggested to screen the results of the Top-20 and then reset the cheated results to 1 credit each! As outlined in my other posting (Cheaters???) there are quite a few results from Top-20 Users that received huge amounts of credit (e.g. 787,537 credits for just 1 work unit of 272 seconds). My suggestion would reset this one work unit to 1 and leave the rest as it is. If you did not cheat/manipulate in such an extreme fashion then your credits remain untouched.
46) Message boards : Number crunching : resetting credit (Message 640)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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since we've gone to a new credit granting scheme and have some problems with the previous one, i'm thinking about starting all the credit over from scratch (if i can even figure out how to do this). I've been looking for a way to remove credit for individual workunits but so far haven't been too successful. if anyone has some knowledge about this let me know :)


Travis,

I suggest you screen just the Top-20 users for manipulated credits and manually reset them to 1. All the rest would probably be much too much work and will most probably upset all users.
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Different WU-sizes (Message 614)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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Why are there different sizes of work-units for Windows and Mac? On my windows machine (http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=2423) I receive work units that grant appr. 1.15 credits while on my Macs (http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=2420) there are only much smaller work units that grant only 0.63 credits.


currently the workunits are all of the same size. the problem might be that your mac is crunching the numbers a lot faster (esp if it's a 64 bit one) so you're not getting as much credit. right now i'm working on updating the validator to have fixed credit per work done, so this should be fixed soon.


Thanks Travis!
48) Message boards : Number crunching : Please check this host (Message 605)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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Most of the reliable results that I have seen are granted credit of 1.50-1.80 per WU. I would suggest to make it somewhere in this range or just make the value 2 to be nice and simple.

I don’t know what the variables involved may be—I could be comparing apples to oranges—but that seems very high. My G5’s recent tasks have each taken just under 3.5 minutes and earned 0.63 or 0.64 of a cobblestone, for an average production of about 11 CS/h, quite typical for this system on other projects. (I’ve also had a small number that take double the time, earning double the credit.) At 2 CS/WU this host would be getting about 35 CS/h, much more than it does on SETI@home using a third-party optimized application, let alone on any other project with a stock app.

If the WUs vary that much—by a factor of two, three, or more—a fixed-credit system won’t be suitable unless the variations are predictable and can be quickly assessed by the servers, e.g. from the number of stars or time-steps in a simulation.



Odysseus,

my G5s claim and receive an average of 21-23 cr/hour with SETI@Home and Einstein@Home. This seems to be fair and is in-line with the faster Windows or Linux machines. Other projects with very little participation of Mac-users grant less than that due to badly optimized Mac-clients (e.g. Rosetta@Home, etc.)
49) Message boards : Number crunching : Cheaters??? (Message 603)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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How does that work?

Computers belonging to RAMSES RHA 254 credits for 700 seconds of work?

Another cheater? Owner: AF>HFR>RR Benson007. More than 27 credits for 300 seconds of work?

This person is also very questionable: Account data for Jenik How can he have a RAC of more that 40,000 credits when there is a work unit limit of 2,000 work units/day?

Now here is a weird result: Result ID: 491638 Granted credit: 787537.651434724 for 272 seconds of work?
50) Message boards : Number crunching : Different WU-sizes (Message 602)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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Why are there different sizes of work-units for Windows and Mac? On my windows machine (http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=2423) I receive work units that grant appr. 1.15 credits while on my Macs (http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=2420) there are only much smaller work units that grant only 0.63 credits.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : stats update (Message 530)
Posted 22 Nov 2007 by Martin P.
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Hi,

the xml-stats were last updated on November 20th: milkyway/stats

Any chance we see an update soon?


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