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1) Message boards : News : Validator Outage (Message 71254)
Posted 8 days ago by Frank
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I thought it must be Halloween already since I was frightened. The dreaded 7 WU Invalids were back in their hundreds ( actually 120s). All the corrupt tasks were sent at 6:00 UTC on October 19, 2021.
Hopefully, all of the bad tasks had been buried in the reservoir of "Waiting to be sent tasks". If so, their numbers will diminish over the new few days. Hopefully.
2) Message boards : News : Validator Outage (Message 71252)
Posted 11 days ago by Frank
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Tom Donlon, you done good.
In the last 24 hours I have completed 11,000 tasks and experienced 2 Invalids (7 WU) and O Errors While Computing..
3) Message boards : News : Validator Outage (Message 71243)
Posted 14 days ago by Frank
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These "Invalids" are really becoming irritating. I am encountering about 450 per day and each is consuming 1.625 of the normal computer time. Are we making any progress on eliminating the 7 WUs tasks?
I won't even bitch about the "Error While Computing " Tasks. They are not Errors While Computing since no computing is ever done. Actually, they are Initialization Errors. I don't care what they are I just want them to go away.
On the Invalids, I am fairly certain that tasks that end up as 7 WU are sent as 4 WU. The assessment 7 WUs is made by the clients' computers. Maybe what we need is a subroutine in Initialization that tests the WU Count before computation starts and if it is not 4 aborts the run. I don't like creating "workarounds" as fixes but it would be better than we have today.
4) Message boards : News : Validator Outage (Message 71195)
Posted 27 days ago by Frank
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Keith Myers posted (mesage 71189) to this thread and related that the heart of the Milkyway app may be somewhat mushy and could cause both validation and "errors while computing" problems. In response to his posting he received "Not what this thread is about".
We need to pay attention to what Keith says. He's only been doing this for 25 years and may be the strongest expert we have. The connection between the validation and the errors and the poor coding will probably become evident when the problems are fixed.
I am not real happy about either of the problems I encounter about 200 Invalids every day along with about 30 Computer Errors.
If the 7 w/u tasks are messing up validation , how is that se are getting more 7 w/u tasks all the time. Something must be happening between the creation of the task and its starting execution. Could Internet noise be causing the corruption of the task?
The Errors while computing find that the executing computer has tried to run an unknown command. It seems that "unknown command" is not due to an app problem, otherwise, all tasks would error after
experiencing the first one. Did you know that Internet Noise causes most transfer errors? It drives me nuts on my computers, cell phones and smart TVs (some folks say that is more like a putt than a drive).
I really want these problems to be fixed, soon, so lots of luck.
5) Message boards : News : New Separation Runs 6/9/2021 (Message 70948)
Posted 10 Jul 2021 by Frank
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I am seeing 11.44% Invalids and fit is increasing daily. I have seen reports where four computers (2 Windows 10 and 2 Linux) tried to evaluate 4 completed tasks. 2 Tasks were judged to be Invalid, 1 Windows 10 and 1 Linux. Makes me think that problem doesn't reside in an operating system.
Keep smilin'.
6) Message boards : News : New Separation Runs 6/9/2021 (Message 70928)
Posted 27 Jun 2021 by Frank
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Well, if you wanted Invalids on the gapfix_bgset3 you got them by their hundreds. Personally, I don't like them. They are mainly occurring on CPU tasks but some show up on GPU tasks.
7) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69725)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Frank
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Keith,
I plumb forgot to credit you for your assistance during my journey through the dark ages. You provided valuable insight during the journey and continue to do so now. I'll research your current suggestion and see if I can improve the stability of my setup. Thanks again!
8) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69723)
Posted 16 Apr 2020 by Frank
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A while ago I reported that MilkyWay was using only 1 of 3 available GPUs on several of my computers. I was baffled so I asked for help. Very quickly I had a number of respondents that provided helpful information. Unfortunately, after checking on configurations and settings as suggested, I still had the problem. It had become a major mystery.
Well, the mystery is solved. I know what was preventing my Idle GPUs from getting work. It all boils down to CPU load. MW captures all the CPU power available for its CPU Tasks. If MV tries to start a GPU Task it will normally fit within the CPU domain using the small chunks of time not committed to the running CPU. When MV tries to start a second and third GPU Tasks MV will stop a couple of CPU Tasks to make room for the GPUs. Hooray. About 6 CPU tasks are running along with 3 GPU Tasks - I'm a happy camper but it is a house of cards.
If the six CPU tasks happen to be individual Separation tasks and an Nbody task comes looking for a home MV will kick all the separation tasks into the waiting to run queue. I guess those tasks in the waiting to run queue count against available CPU time. MV will not tolerate more than 100% of CPU time being used so MW waits for the GPU tasks to complete the won't allow any to start. You are down to 6 Processors and 1 GPU. I know because I've bee there and done that.
To prevent this from happening to me and by guys (computers) I just went to the Milkyway@Home Preferences and selected only one of the CPU Task types (Nbody or Separation) to be allowed. They don't seem to play well together. Now I have all five of the computers I have committed to WilkyWay running 3 PUs each.
So, thanks to Mikey and Joseph Stateson for the help and guiding nudges. Without them I would still be wandering in the Never-Never.
9) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69692)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Frank
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Post the first 30 lines of your BOINC startup from the Event Log. We need to see if BOINC even sees your gpus. If you don't have the cards detected with OpenCL drivers, then you won't get any gpu tasks. The startup should have lines similar to this:

31-Mar-2020 14:44:58 [---] Data directory: /home/keith/Desktop/BOINC
31-Mar-2020 14:44:59 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce RTX 2080 (driver version 440.64, CUDA version 10.2, compute capability 7.5, 7982MB, 7742MB available, 10598 GFLOPS peak)
31-Mar-2020 14:44:59 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce RTX 2080 (driver version 440.64, CUDA version 10.2, compute capability 7.5, 7979MB, 7473MB available, 10598 GFLOPS peak)
31-Mar-2020 14:44:59 [---] CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 1080 (driver version 440.64, CUDA version 10.2, compute capability 6.1, 8120MB, 7891MB available, 9523 GFLOPS peak)
31-Mar-2020 14:44:59 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce RTX 2080 (driver version 440.64, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 7982MB, 7742MB available, 10598 GFLOPS peak)
31-Mar-2020 14:44:59 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce RTX 2080 (driver version 440.64, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 7979MB, 7473MB available, 10598 GFLOPS peak)
31-Mar-2020 14:44:59 [---] OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 1080 (driver version 440.64, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8120MB, 7891MB available, 9523 GFLOPS peak)



Kieth Meyers!
We meet again. The King of Ubuntu and the possessor of fine hardware.

My log from a only running one GPU computer says:
4/12/2020 09:08:29 AM | | Running under account FrankMeade
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, CUDA version 10.1, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, CUDA version 10.1, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, CUDA version 10.1, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Host name: CENTER-1
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Processor: 6 AuthenticAMD AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor [Family 21 Model 2 Stepping 0]
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes f16c syscall nx lm avx svm sse4a osvw ibs xop skinit wdt fma4 tce tbm topx page1gb rdtscp bmi1
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 10: Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.18363.00)
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Memory: 7.90 GB physical, 14.15 GB virtual
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Disk: 297.49 GB total, 249.18 GB free
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Local time is UTC -7 hours
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | No WSL found.
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Config: use all coprocessors
Not much to see, except that there is a lot of computing power going to waste.

My problem is weird. I have five computers running Milkyway and only one is using all 3 GPUs. The other 4 computers run only one GPU (including the computer that provided the log data above). Every once in awhile one of the lazy guys will starting running all three GPUs and will do so for a day or two before reverting to one GPU. It's weird.
I'm wondering if my Internet connection could be at fault. It has been flakey for about a week. I'll get that checked out tomorrow.
Frank
10) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69691)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Frank
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Thank you for the response. I use the cc_config use all gpus on all my computers. I checked and it is there in ProgramData file. I tried updating the NVIDIA drivers and it didn't help. So, I.m still chasing my problem.


The file should be placed in the Boinc folder under the Program Data folder.

When you first start Boinc open the Event Log and look near the top of it and you should see all 3 gpu's listed, if not then Boinc isn't seeing your gpu's, until that happens Boinc won't even try to use them.

As for driver the latest one are NOT Boinc friendly at every Project, go back to a pre 400 version driver. 390 works for me. Nvidia had a problem with one of the 4?? series and fixed it then rolled out the 445 series WITHOUT the fix. Unless you are a gamer newer is not always better for Boinc.

Also if you have any SLI cables on your cards you can remove them too unless you game, Boinc is not setup to use multiple gpu's on one task.


Mikey,
cc_config is where it belongs
As for log:
4/12/2020 09:08:29 AM | | Running under account FrankMeade
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, CUDA version 10.1, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, CUDA version 10.1, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, CUDA version 10.1, compute capability 6.1, 4096MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:30 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 1070 Ti (driver version 432.00, device version OpenCL 1.2 CUDA, 8192MB, 3554MB available, 8186 GFLOPS peak)
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Host name: CENTER-1
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Processor: 6 AuthenticAMD AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor [Family 21 Model 2 Stepping 0]
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes f16c syscall nx lm avx svm sse4a osvw ibs xop skinit wdt fma4 tce tbm topx page1gb rdtscp bmi1
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 10: Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.18363.00)
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Memory: 7.90 GB physical, 14.15 GB virtual
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Disk: 297.49 GB total, 249.18 GB free
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Local time is UTC -7 hours
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | No WSL found.
4/12/2020 09:08:31 AM | | Config: use all coprocessors

As shown the GPU Driver is 432.00 which is below 441.21 which is where NVIDIA screwed the pooch. With version 18362 of Windows 10 Pro Microsoft took control of Display Drivers and 432.00 is what Microsoft provides. It seems to work well.
I am not a "gamer" so there are no SLI set ups.
Do you have any further ideas?
Frank
11) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69690)
Posted 12 Apr 2020 by Frank
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Joseph, Thank you for your response to my problem.

My work queues all seem to have plenty of tasks (like hundreds for GPUs). Over the past few days, I have two computers that were running one GPU task suddenly deciding to run three GPUs. Two days later they went back to using only one while their queues had plenty of GPU tasks. I didn't make any changes to settings, their switching was totally unexpected. I am still baffled.


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12) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69650)
Posted 5 Apr 2020 by Frank
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Thank you for the response. I use the cc_config use all gpus on all my computers. I checked and it is there in ProgramData file. I tried updating the NVIDIA drivers and it didn't help. So, I.m still chasing my problem.
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : Milkyway@Home Uses Only One of Three GPUs (Message 69633)
Posted 31 Mar 2020 by Frank
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I am relatively new to Milkyway@Home. I have installed the software on about 6 computers. Immediately after install everything runs well, all CPUs and all 3 GPUs. On some computers when the first wave of tasks are complete only one GPU receives a new task. On other computers all three GPUs continue to run new tasks.
My computers are running Windows 10 Pro 1632 or Windows 10 Pro 1909. The processors are AMD 8320, 8350 and 6300. The GPUs are NVIDIA GTX 980 ti, GTX 1070 ti and RTX 2070, all using driver 1432.00.
I need some help in solving this problem. Please. I have been BOINCing for as long there has been a BOINC; over in SETI@Home I was in the top 20 participants.




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