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41) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Keep seperation off the CPUs? (Message 76177)
Posted 6 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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I think you got your wish Mr P Hucker!!
Just be careful how you pronounce that! Yes that is my real name, and no my mother didn't think of that when she named me. I guess that makes her a mother P Hucker.
42) Message boards : News : Separation Project Coming To An End (Message 76176)
Posted 6 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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One other thing to look out for is the amount of memory each task uses as compared to the total amount of ram you have You can check that by going into the Boinc Manager and clicking properties on a running task, some types of tasks use a lot more memory than others do, ie the EcmP2 tasks at Yoyo use about 8gb of ram for each task but the regular Ecm tasks use less than 250mb each.
And Boinc is pretty rubbish (as always) at working out how much RAM to use. You may have to reduce it from 100% to something less.
43) Message boards : News : Separation Project Coming To An End (Message 76172)
Posted 5 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Depends on the project you're running and what OS you have and what else you're doing on the computer. I've got my 24 thread Ryzen 9 3900XT on 100% in Windows 11, it's also my main computer for browsing, email, and also has two security cameras on it which try to take 1 thread each. It's happy like that unless I run LHC, which uses Virtualbox and grinds things to a halt. I can still get in to pause Boinc, so it's not deadly, but I need to lower the usage for that project. I did this by telling it each task needed more than 1 thread in the app config file.

You should just adjust it gradually until it annoys you, then back off a bit.
44) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76166)
Posted 5 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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That user recently enabled his account to export stats.

So all the points he earned since he started his account shows up on one day.

You can see it better on free-dc.
Ah, that stupid EU bullshit. They're ruining the world one byte at a time. What's more annoying than cookies? Asking you if you want a bloody cookie! Reminds me of Mrs Doyle.
45) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76164)
Posted 5 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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check mine.
Bloody showoff. First in total credit, but someone is running slightly faster than you! Can't see what computers he has though.

46) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76161)
Posted 4 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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If it wasn't a fact I wouldn't think it was.
Gold Medal in Mental Gymnastics
Not so, I only believe what I see to be true. As below, I believed cpubenchmark.net because it lined up with the speed of my own machines on most projects. I don't believe god exists, even though half the world tells me he does, because I see no evidence. Same for climate change.

check mine.
Ah, not as shy as Skillz then!

https://universeathome.pl/universe/show_host_detail.php?hostid=664091

it's two 64-core CPUs. HT is on, so that's 128 threads each, and 256 threads total for the system.
the only project the system runs is Universe, and it crunches at 90% CPU utilization (roughly 230 threads) 24/7
~3.0M ppd total, ~1.5M ppd each CPU.

comparing cherry picked tasks from hosts is pointless since universe has varying task lengths. they are not all the same so it's easy to end up comparing two tasks that aren't comparable.

go nuts and cope.
Two CPUs, cpubenchmark.net says they're about twice as fast (each) as my Ryzen 9 3900XT.

Your tasks take 3000+ seconds (and you do 115 at a time per CPU), equivalent to one completed every 26 seconds per CPU.

My tasks take 5400+ seconds (and I do 24 at a time per CPU), equivalent to one completed every 225 seconds per CPU.

So each of your CPUs are 10 times faster not 2.

Looks like cpubenchmark sux for big CPUs. It's very accurate for my lot (look how much slower my 4 core machines are) on almost every project.

So do you know a better place to get a rough speed idea? Because it's needed to choose new CPUs.

Looking here, comparing our CPUs, I find no benchmark giving a greater difference than x3: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_9_3900xt-vs-amd_epyc_7742
47) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76158)
Posted 4 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Two project accounts?
That's a good idea, but Mikey likes stats and probably wants credits from both machines to be together.

The app/cc configs could be used to prohibit GPU tasks from that project, not sure if it would stupidly download one then not to do it. Also, not sure if you can prohibit CPU tasks that way.
48) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76156)
Posted 4 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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I wish the Admin would go in and fix the venues!!! I want to run cpu tasks on some pc's and gpu tasks on other pc's and because of the way they setup the venues I can't
I guess you have to run two Boinc clients.
49) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76155)
Posted 4 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Administrator ported boinc server to windows server.
Are you telling me Boinc didn't create a Windows version? Ugh! It would be more popular if people didn't have to learn Linux to create a project.
50) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76154)
Posted 4 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Like I told you already.
You don't have many hosts, not hard to figure out which one you probably were having issues with.
I doubt many folk would look through several hosts to help someone, they'd ask.

Because you don't listen the first time and think what you know is factual.
If it wasn't a fact I wouldn't think it was.

There you go again. Using useless metrics. Pick a CPU project, any CPU project. Attach your single 3900X to it and I will attach my single 64c/128t EPYC. I guarantee I do more than 2.4 times the points as you.
I've checked between my hosts, some are a lot faster than others, look at my 4 core ones.

I am assuming your hosts in another building are your Xeons and not your Ryzen which is probably your main computer you have inside your home.
I have two Ryzens. The X is in the garage, the XT is the house one. The garage also has two xeons and four misc 4 core machines.

EPYC motherboards have IPMI remote management. You can control everything on the host, including the BIOS settings, remotely using IPMI. Xeons have this ability too on some of the newer stuff. I don't think the older Xeons have IPMI and I'm not sure what year/generation they started using IPMI.
There's a remote thing in the BIOS of the xeons, I thought all servers did that. I don't bother using it as all I need access to is Windows or Boinc via Boinctasks. If it screws up so I can't get to it on the network, there's a keyboard, mouse, monitor in the garage I can use.

Like I said. You can use the one GPU for all the hosts to edit the BIOS the way you need it once. However, if you overclock those hosts some projects will put way more stress on that overclock than other projects where the overclock will fail. Its rare, but it does happen. Especially some of the Primegrid sub projects.
So you often change the overclock depending what project you run? I don't overclock, more hassle than it's worth. The only thing I turn above stock is the power limit on GPUs, and that's easy to adjust in MSI Afterburner in Windows.

Looking through the Universe@home hosts list I found a 128 thread EPYC here:
Shy about your own hosts I see.

https://stats.free-dc.org/host/uni/561422
It does around 1.3M PPD.
Here is a 3950X (little more powerful than your 3900X)
https://stats.free-dc.org/host/uni/602386
It does around 370K PPD.

370,000 * 2.4 = 888,000
370,000 / 1,300,000 = 3.5

In this example we can see that an EPYC is 3.5 times more productive than a 3700X. That means you'll need 4 3900X CPUs.
Not enough information. Link to hosts on the actual project, then we can see how long they take per task. You don't know if they're only doing Universe. Also is it hyperthreading or not? I have HT on.

Also having more PCs makes it easier to attach lots of GPUs.

Lets take a look at what full load on the 3900X does power wise.
Not interested in efficiency. I have a 21 year old car. I could buy a newer one and use less fuel, but I can't be bothered, and it would cost more to buy.

So we have to talk in simpler terms so your simple mind can understand?
Contrarywise, I assumed "capacitor" when he meant "limit".

Wasn't boasting. Just correcting someone wrong on the Internet.
You boast when you state your specs.

Hidden only hides your list. The host is still listed and can be found on the project host list. It just won't have a name attached to it. It will say anonymous.
Actually it just omits the name. Anonymous refers to a host without listing the owner. Not sure why it hides the name since I've said to not hide anything. It would be easier to say "the computer called Jenny is crashing tasks frequently" and everyone would know which one it was. Now I have to say which one by other means, like "the Xeon, no not that one, the other one, er.... the one with slightly less credits."

I don't have to work in IT to know a lot of about computers. Been playing on computers for over 20 years now.
Absence of denial of being a binman noted.
51) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76145)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Because you're hiding them. You can see my host names, anyone can. You chose to hide them.
Again, you don't know what you are talking about. What is your computers name? I can't see it.
I stand corrected, the page seems to show different things depending if you're logged in as that person or not. I made an assumption unhiding would unhide everything. Strange, I'm sure I've discussed faulty units on one of the projects and referred to one of my computer names, and nobody said they didn't know which one to look at.

peterhuckerisdumb
You arrogant https://goo.gl/maps/ziioDHBYcX2fPcCN6

For the last time. You CAN NOT see the host name or name of the host unless it is YOUR host.
Why do you say everything twice?

That system does 12M PPD alone on MW on Separation tasks.
With GPUs presumably. And you should have used the past tense, seperation is gone.

You use 15 year old crap. Who cares?
Ryzen 9 CPU and MB are not 15 years old, and the point is it costs far less to buy a few of those, which total more work than your one.

The one Epyc I have will do more than your entire fleet of computers and use less electricity. A 64c/128t EPYC is way more than 2.4 times better than your 3700X. lol
Not according to cpubenchmark.net - of course there's probably more than one model of EPYC with 128 threads.

What on earth gave you that insane idea? Running headless is up to the OS and nothing to do with the CPU, and Windows 11 is doing it fine on my Ryzen 9s. I can even connect with the built in Windows Remote Desktop.
You right.
!!!

I didn't think about using remote desktop to connect to a Ryzen setup although I do that with one of mine (but it has 2 GPUs in it).
I do so mainly because all but one of my machines are in another building. It boots fine without, I guess it's just harder to troubleshoot without remote desktop. Older machines (maybe you have to go back decades) just bleeped or something if you started them with no graphics card.

Editing the BIOS settings though will require a GPU, but you could use 1 GPU and just switch them to whatever system you need to modify settings in the BIOS.
I edit the BIOS once, when I build the PC. Why ever touch it again?

There you go again. Reading crap on paper and not actually using real world data to compare.
I used my own real world data. My machines have certain relative speeds on cpubenchmark.net. On most projects the times taken for a task tally up.

Not sure how using cap as a limit on the amount of lanes the Ryzen has is less intelligent.
Limit is a simpler concept than charged plates rolled up in a small container.

My business. My choice.
A pointless one.

Because you told me to get better computers.
So you only boast when provoked?

When I ask for help, I post my host that is having issues if it is needed
So "hidden" only hides the list?

but I rarely ask for help on forums because fools like you who have no idea start trying to put in their $0.02 which wastes everyone's time.
I'm sure you can use a killfile.

I do not work in a tech industry. I don't even use a computer for work.
Odd, considering you claim to know so much about them. Binman?
52) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76144)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Never heard of CAD?
it's amazing that you think something with "Computer" right in the name isn't classified as tech. try again.
You said "the tech industry" which usually means an IT tech. He could be a designer who knows nothing about computers but uses one to design engines.

And you did it again with the that.
53) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76143)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Go on, post the photo of your watercooled setup again, you know you want to.
which one?
I'll let you choose. It's only fair to let you gloat fully.
54) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76139)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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if they were indeed a work-owned system the "boss" (or rather, IT dept/personnel) could just go look at the system directly to see what it's doing.
Unless "skillz" is the IT dept.

someone/company not in the tech industry in some way is unlikely to have a 128t high-end EPYC system.
Never heard of CAD?
55) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76138)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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I don't need to showboat what I have.
you mean you don't want to show off your 15 year old Xeon power?
Go on, post the photo of your watercooled setup again, you know you want to.
56) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76137)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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You can't see the computer names unless it's a host on your account. If this hypothetical boss had the ability to log into my account then he would be able to just view the computers on my account in my control panel and see the computers I am using.
Because you're hiding them. You can see my host names, anyone can. You chose to hide them.

My 64c/128t EPYC uses around 400W (total system power) under full load. Not breaking any power bills.
I assume you have more than that or you wouldn't have the points you do here.

For the single CPU? I bought my 64c/128t CPUs for $1000.
$1285 2nd hand from China. I only checked Ebay. AliExpress is $1105+sales tax ends up worse.

Motherboard $500. RAM, SSD, PSU are the same price or similar to that of a Ryzen setup.
That totals a lot of money, I bought my MBs for $50. PSUs were $20.

You also need GPUs for Ryzen 9. EPYC can run headless.
What on earth gave you that insane idea? Running headless is up to the OS and nothing to do with the CPU, and Windows 11 is doing it fine on my Ryzen 9s. I can even connect with the built in Windows Remote Desktop.

This is assuming an EPYC is indeed only 2.4 times "faster" than a single Ryzen 9. Which I don't believe that across the board.
I checked the benchmark on cpubenchmark.net. It seems a pretty good match for the average Boinc project.

Those are needed for voltage stabilising. Have they got better VRMs? Nothing to do with the CPU.
Sigh. Man you know nothing. lmao He isn't talking about capacitors. He is saying an EPYC has more PCIe lanes than Ryzen. So you can run more things like GPUs with full 16x or 8x lanes than you can on a Ryzen.
Ah, so it's him using "cap" in a less intelligent sense.

Nobodies business what I am running except mine.
And no reason to hide it.

I don't need to showboat what I have.
And yet earlier you boasted you had a PC faster than my entire fleet.

Plus it lets people discuss problems with dodgy workunits when they can view your computers' tasks.
57) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76133)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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They're mine.
Then why are you hiding them? If you really have huge computing power, wouldn't you want to show it off?
58) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76132)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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hiding his hosts wouldn't hide anything from his hypothetical "boss". he doesn't even work in the tech industry. so yeah, wrong again.
Yes it would. If his boss were to see (or someone in here grassed him off) computer names he knew were names of computers on his network. And why would he have to be in the tech industry? I used to do it at a high school I worked at. I had about 300 computers connected, although they were all budget CPUs with no graphics cards.

i have five 64c/128t CPUs, and two 48c/96t , wholly owned by me. they're cheap. don't need to use other people's computers.
The electricity is expensive unless you bypass the meter or have solar panels.

EPYC's are ubiquitous at this point. The whole platform cost isn't much more expensive than high end consumer stuff,
I looked up a 128 core version and they're very expensive. The Ryzen 9 range is better value.

but without the silly caps in PCIe lanes
Those are needed for voltage stabilising. Have they got better VRMs? Nothing to do with the CPU.

**Unnecessary "that" removed from sentence. Why is this becoming so popular?
Yeah I do it too and it annoys me. I often delete them when proofreading. Google ngram shows it's a recent habit.
59) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76129)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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That's cute. Just one of my computers is more powerful than your entire fleet. LMAO
Are you sure they're yours or are you borrowing them from your boss when he isn't looking and using his electricity? Because you've chosen to keep them anonymous, funny that.
60) Message boards : News : Separation Application Shutting Down on Tuesday, Jun 20th (Message 76126)
Posted 2 Jul 2023 by Mr P Hucker
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Tell me that you wouldn't run an Epyc 128cpu core setup if you could get one cheap enough? I most certainly would!!
EPYC 7B13 128 core, £1600 for the processor, but only 2.3 times faster than my Ryzen 9 24 core which is £300. Not cost effective.

**Unnecessary "that" removed from sentence. Why is this becoming so popular?


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