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41) Message boards : Number crunching : 12 simoultanous tasks running at 99% on 4870x2 (Message 15982)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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But one should not load the card to the max as this leads to slowdowns (reduced cache hit rate, swapping over PCI-Express) or even errors (if there is simply no memory left) and does not help the performance. Two or three (the default value) concurrent WUs are really the best to get maximum throughput on your GPU.



I'll stick with 3 then! If I'm to believe catlyst, 1 gets a below 50% utilization, 2 a 70%, and 3 fluctuate between 80-99!
42) Message boards : Number crunching : 12 simoultanous tasks running at 99% on 4870x2 (Message 15931)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>4</max_ncpus>
<cmdline>n8</cmdline>

http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=26311777

I'm trying to push the card to a crashing point, considering the recommended setting is 256MB per wu, but too bad the server is dry and so far no crashes!

I've noticed GPU time is 30 - 40 seconds weather it was one task or multiple tasks!

43) Message boards : Number crunching : So what's the project status?? (Message 15923)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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I've noticed that getting CPU tasks has gotten a more tedious (0 new tasks) of late -- as it was with the larger queues. I find often I have to pulse the server with manual update requests 4 to 8 times and sometimes more to refill the cache on workstations.

The thing is, with the relatively short work unit times of 15 to 25 minutes, the small cache readily can run dry. Originally the 6 unit per core wasn't too bad as I wasn't seeing the 0 new task monster and so it offset having the small cache size. But now, it is becoming a bit of a lose-lose scenario -- small cache AND the dreaded 0 new task problem. It isn't quite as bad as it was with the 8 and 12 task per CPU configurations of a couple of months ago, but it is definitely not as clean as it was 3 or 4 weeks ago.



My tasks host history was reset today, but I've noticed that the number of times client contacted server > number of tasks by at least a margin of x2!
44) Message boards : Number crunching : Milestones (Message 15922)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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5 or so years on boinc = 500,000.
6 months on gpu grid with a gtx 280 = 1,000,000.
less than a week on milkyway with a 4870x2 = 150,000+ and counting. ;)
45) Message boards : Number crunching : Any plans to split GPU tasks and CPU tasks? (Message 15801)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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How come seti dosn't get an active link, but all the others do?

Other than the fact that I hate SETI@Home?

I'm sure you must be the only one ;P

Yes, I am sure that I am about the only one that feels this way ... if you look at participation rates you would think that SaH is doing something that is actually important... but I just cannot see it ...


They are searching for Alien porn!
46) Message boards : Number crunching : Loading a firepro driver into a radeon! (Message 15781)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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Considering both cards are identical: 4870 and firepro v8700. I was wondering if performance boosts can be obtained on milkyway if the firepro drivers were forced into a radeon after reading this article:

Tom's hardware


Lively discussion there, and some claim that the price premium is basically driver related and not necessarily hardware related!
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Questions For Travis (Message 15665)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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3. Can the cpu limit be increased again because with these ATI and optimised app the work is getting done quicker?






Like I've requested on a previous thread, if the server sends CPU tasks that can be done in an hour and GPU tasks that can also be done in an hour, we wont have GPUs sucking WUs dry.

Case in point: seti@home (CPU & Nvidia) & GPU GRID (ps3 and nvidias)
48) Message boards : Number crunching : ATI Crunchers dominate top 100 list (Message 15649)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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http://boinc.berkeley.edu/chart_list.php

Self explanatory!
49) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with stars.txt (Message 15605)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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16.03.2009 09:50:24|Milkyway@home|Finished download of stars-82-v3.txt
16.03.2009 09:50:24|Milkyway@home|[error] MD5 check failed for stars-82-v3.txt
16.03.2009 09:50:24|Milkyway@home|[error] expected bf098d0519413d638ad3efb8f86a7137, got 3623beeb20a6a24c50b1d6669f66d55e
16.03.2009 09:50:24|Milkyway@home|[error] Checksum or signature error for stars-82-v3.txt


I get this on a new machine that I just attached to MW. And I get this on various stars.txt files.



Disable your anti virus if you have one and see if that helps!

Don't ask! But my work machine behaves that way and my home does not! Disabling mcafee @ work stops checksums errors!
50) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 x 4870s or 4870X2 (Message 15502)
Posted 15 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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4870X2, 0.19e, cat9.2*, works fine. (And for some reason I see ~60% load now, not ~50%.)

Some progress! Looks like we to have wait for Cat 9.3 to get 70% ;)

4870/1G, 0.19e, cat9.2*, no go. Consistently 0 GPU load following a VPU recover.

Strange. The top host at MW (belonging UL1, SETI.Germany) runs 0.19e on WinXP64 with Cat9.2 and even 3 HD4870 (albeit only the 512MB version overclocked to 810MHz, he had even 4 cards running in that box for a day). He reported no real problems.


Sorry for the lousy youtube downsizing quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COaVZWyqWc&feature=channel_page

The original file is 50 MB capturing a screen res of 1280x1024, it took youtube 12 hours to process it!

Two instances of GPU-Z read a fluctuation of 70-95% on both cards.

Catlyst reads 80-99% on both cards.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : Is anyone glad with the project? (Message 15467)
Posted 15 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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Conspiracy theories again.....paranoia abounds!


Even paranoids have enemies ...

Just because I am paranoid does not mean you are not out to get me ...


I wear my tinfoil hat 24x7.
52) Message boards : Number crunching : 3rd.in - optimized apps (Message 15433)
Posted 15 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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By the way, you could put version 0.19e of the ATI GPU app on zslip. The new version plays a bit nicer with the OS trying to react to user input. The system response should be quite a bit improved.


Thanks for the update!
53) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 x 4870s or 4870X2 (Message 15426)
Posted 15 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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I think CrossFireX wouldn't work...and if, I guess you would have the same issue as with the X2, but this time at 33% each...

I guess that is a driver issue or something in the CAL libraries. Officially the X2 cards are not supported by ATI's Stream SDK 1.3 I've used up to now.

OIE! after reading this thread you guys made me suspicious! I just double checked gpu-z catalyst center readings and I'm getting 90% load on both cards if under full load. If I lower the value to say one task only one card will get the task.

Win 7, catalyst 9.1 for vista, under compatibility.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but when win 7 was installing, it installed some serious sounding drivers which names escapes me for the pci-e.

I'd be interested to know if any one under vista is using both x2 cards, considering I jumped ships from xp to 7!

So under Win7 both GPUs of a X2 card are used with Cat 9.1? Can anyone confirm this?


Also, not sure if hooking up both displays will force both cards to run!

I've got one on monitor and another on TV!

PROOF:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f129/hotthamir/readings.jpg
54) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 x 4870s or 4870X2 (Message 15419)
Posted 15 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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Three seperate cards. They don't run at 100%, but somewhere between 70 - 90%, so if you're for the maximum total output you should run them completely single...
I think CrossFireX wouldn't work...and if, I guess you would have the same issue as with the X2, but this time at 33% each...

I guess that is a driver issue or something in the CAL libraries. Officially the X2 cards are not supported by ATI's Stream SDK 1.3 I've used up to now.

But the Stream SDK 1.4 (released yesterday) added official support for X2 cards. They have also put some more functionality into Brook, so it should be now possible to use multiple GPUs and to have a low CPU load without modifying the official brook runtime library (brook.dll). I added those features to the 1.3 version in a quick and dirty manner. While that hack works quite well with individual cards, there are obviously some qirks with crossfire and X2 configurations. Maybe it will work only with the upcoming Cat 9.3 driver, because that will come with the CAL libraries 1.4.xx which may be needed for that functionality. While Cat 9.2 is already compatible with the 1.4 SDK (opposed to Cat 8.12 and 9.1), it has only CAL 1.3.186, so some things may not work like intended.

I guess the next version (0.19f) will be based on the 1.4 SDK and will require Cat 9.2 or newer. If Travis agrees, I would also like to report the GPU time as WU time, not the CPU time. Otherwise, with the CPU load as low as it is with 0.19d and up, the task duration correction factor is easily falling below 0.02 which may cause some work fetch problems. Furthermore the GPU time is a much more representative value than the CPU time for the actual duration of the WU.



OIE! after reading this thread you guys made me suspicious!

I just double checked gpu-z catalyst center readings and I'm getting 90% load on both cards if under full load.

If I lower the value to say one task only one card will get the task.

Win 7, catalyst 9.1 for vista, under compatibility.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it, but when win 7 was installing, it installed some serious sounding drivers which names escapes me for the pci-e.

I'd be interested to know if any one under vista is using both x2 cards, considering I jumped ships from xp to 7!

55) Message boards : Number crunching : 3rd.in - optimized apps (Message 15318)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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What is the optimal settings to change in appinfo.xml for a quad 6600 running a 4870x2? Or should I leave it as is?

I'm particularly interested in these:

<flops>1.0e11</flops>
<avg_ncpus>0.5</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>4</max_ncpus>
<cmdline></cmdline>

I've noticed an increased wall time if I increase maximum concurrent WU over 2.

At one point I had 10 WU conccurently crunching and the wall time went even higher!
56) Message boards : Number crunching : Is anyone glad with the project? (Message 15309)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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Well... Please make your complains here...


I complain that this thread is too long. :P
57) Message boards : Number crunching : Any plans to split GPU tasks and CPU tasks? (Message 15308)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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Makes sense, for queue generation purposes.

Few seconds on GPU is cool, but its more reasonable to feed the GPU something more complex, like an hour plus task!
58) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 x 4870s or 4870X2 (Message 15304)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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... is anyone running a pair of 4870s (non-crossfire) or a 4870X2 with the GPU App?

If so - any benefits?

P.


UL1, the current top cruncher, has 3 way 4870x2.

http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=23348757
59) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 x 4870s or 4870X2 (Message 15303)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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... is anyone running a pair of 4870s (non-crossfire) or a 4870X2 with the GPU App?

If so - any benefits?

P.


UL1, the current top cruncher, has 3 way 4870x2.

http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/result.php?resultid=23348757
60) Message boards : Number crunching : 2 x 4870s or 4870X2 (Message 15302)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Thamir Ghaslan
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... is anyone running a pair of 4870s (non-crossfire) or a 4870X2 with the GPU App?

If so - any benefits?

P.


I just immigrated here yesterday, I've bought an 4870x2 after my gtx 280 burned up while running gpugrid for 6 months non stop.

Windows 7, latest catalyst driver in Visa compatibility mode, running like a charm.

GPU-Z as well as catylst control center reports 90% GPU usage while running 4 simoultanous tasks. I might bump it up to 8 later today but the problem is the server's new tasks queue is not generous at the moment.

Currently my tasks history shows a 5 minute interval between each 6 new tasks assignments. 4 tasks will complete between 3 to 10 seconds.

I need more time to settle in here and figure out this project and hopefully I wont burn this card like I did with my GTX 280. :P



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