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1) Questions and Answers : Preferences : MilkyWay steals all my CPUs (Message 71264)
Posted 1 day ago by Profilemikey
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| It would still be nice if they would add some kind of direct control on the prefs page. More casual users will just give up and delete the project.

I agree. Other projects have done it, so why not MW@H? It's almost as though the project didn't want us to find these things out without working at it.


I think you are missing their goal...they want to crunch the units using all available cpu cores so they get thru them faster. Limiting your dual core or 12 core pc to only 1 or 2 cpu cores makes the units take longer to run, that defeats the purpose. Since Boinc already offers ways to change those settings the Project is happy as things are, now would it be nice if they added some fine tuning controls...yes it would but it is what it is and as you found out the Boinc Community can usually step in with some help if people just ask.
2) Questions and Answers : Getting started : Getting started ..don't know what I am doing (Message 71239)
Posted 12 days ago by Profilemikey
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Hi! im new in the project and I love it, hope I can collaborate a lot.

One question, can we see some advance of the project? some video or in real time?

Best regards,
Pablo.


Look in the News section
3) Message boards : Number crunching : I gotta remember... (Message 71226)
Posted 16 days ago by Profilemikey
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As far as Linux Mint goes I'm not even sure they HAVE LTS versions but I may start using one if it came out as I almost never update mine until I'm forced to as all my Linuxt Mint pc's do is crunch.


The nearest i can think of is, Linux Mint Debian Edition , it gets updated as often as Debian stable, and that can take years.
Latest I know of is LMDE3 which is much the same as Mint 19


I will have to check that version out then, thanks
4) Message boards : Number crunching : I gotta remember... (Message 71221)
Posted 17 days ago by Profilemikey
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Because the only way to get things tested and ready for the LTS setting is to send it out to be tested, and you are one of those people. They now want you to provide feedback on any problems you are seeing so they can address them before they come out, or get redone or even dropped, before the next LTS release. That's often why you will see a long list of changes before the next release, people are providing feedback and the developers are working on things.

Hi Mikey,

When I installed and did the re-install I saw nothing that would opt me into testing and sending feedback. I don't want to be a tester of Kernels. :-( Why would the maintainers want obsolete, end-of-life or older versions of a current series tested? To me that would be like trying to get DOS 6.2 to run on modern PCs. I don't believe it would work and I don't see the point of testing old Kernels.

Have a great day! :-)

Siran


The "maintainers" at large companies, and especially small companies, don't have the time to be updating Linux as much as you do, as you've seen it breaks things that are working pretty well already. So once they get an LTS version up and running they tend to only do the necessary updates for security and because this new thing is much better than the one they are already using. I was a 1st level IT guy at a guy with over 40K desktop pc's and 5 years after Win10 came out they were still using win7 pc's with 512 kb of ram in them!! It cost $60k to take out those two 256k sticks of memory and put in two 1gb sticks of memory. The employees were EXTREMELY happy because their pc's would do things significantly faster but that $60k meant that some other thing did not get updated.

And as far as 'not singing up to be a tester' that's what we did by using a non LTS version and then updating it all the time. As far as Linux Mint goes I'm not even sure they HAVE LTS versions but I may start using one if it came out as I almost never update mine until I'm forced to as all my Linuxt Mint pc's do is crunch.

mikey
5) Message boards : Number crunching : I gotta remember... (Message 71216)
Posted 18 days ago by Profilemikey
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Ok, that makes sense. I understand LTS. But...

If the distributors are not using the 5.11 or 5.8, why even bloat the install with them? In the next iteration of Linux are we gonna have 5.11, 5.10, 5.8 and 5.4? Or will they get rid of one or both of the Kernels not active in an install and make the active obsolete after an update?

Siran


Because the only way to get things tested and ready for the LTS setting is to send it out to be tested, and you are one of those people. They now want you to provide feedback on any problems you are seeing so they can address them before they come out, or get redone or even dropped, before the next LTS release. That's often why you will see a long list of changes before the next release, people are providing feedback and the developers are working on things.
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Run Multiple WU's on Your GPU (Message 71160)
Posted 27 days ago by Profilemikey
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No matter how many WU's I run my card won't use more than 210w when crunching, 2 / 4 / 8 units, its a 3090 and under WCG running 8 of their GPU units at the same time it will pull the full 350w,



With the price of graphic cards skyrocketing, I would avoid running any card at its max rating. High temps cause thermal paste to harden making removal non-trivial. Exact OEM fan replacement can be hard to find and one must be creative on occasions. I have a few really weird fan arrangements I can post if anyone interested.


BUT the problem comes down to MW not being able to supply you with enough tasks in one day to keep it going, with their 10 minutes back-off between sending tasks your 3090 will be doing something else for those 10 minutes even more often.


That BOINC app I modded, 7.15.0 fixes the 10 minute wait. The latest official version is 7l.16.11 and I assume the 10 minute problem still exists for that app.

Due to temperatures recently dropping here in texas, I started up a pair of garage "racks" to start crunching on Einstein and WCG. I have a 3rd rack for milkyway but the garage is still too hot to run that one.


YES your app did fix it, but unfortunately not everyone uses it.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Run Multiple WU's on Your GPU (Message 71157)
Posted 28 days ago by Profilemikey
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No matter how many WU's I run my card won't use more than 210w when crunching, 2 / 4 / 8 units, its a 3090 and under WCG running 8 of their GPU units at the same time it will pull the full 350w, card is a 390btw, any ideas?
Here is my config file:

<app_config>
<app>
<name>milkyway</name>
<max_concurrent>50</max_concurrent>
<gpu_versions>
<gpu_usage>0.125</gpu_usage>
<cpu_usage>0.05</cpu_usage>
</gpu_versions>
</app>
</app_config>


Changing this line <gpu_usage>0.125</gpu_usage> to be 0.0625 would let you run 16 units at one time.
BUT the problem comes down to MW not being able to supply you with enough tasks in one day to keep it going, with their 10 minutes back-off between sending tasks your 3090 will be doing something else for those 10 minutes even more often.
8) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : ati 5770 computational errors (Message 71155)
Posted 29 days ago by Profilemikey
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I have an 8-core, dual ati 5770, 32gb of ram, Mac Pro 2,1 running MacOS 10.7.5. Complete Specs here... https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=749279
GPU tasks have operated properly in the past, and still work properly in seti@home. However, now I am generating computational errors for all GPU tasks in milkyway@home. This is my favorite project so I am eager to get it going again. I have switched from boinc 7.8 back to boinc 7.2. I have removed and reinstalled the project. This is a fresh install of the os. The only thing I do on this computer is boinc.
Please give your best advice here.


Since ALL it does is Boinc you could load a Linux OS in a Virtual Box and try running MW that way, the problem is Apple and the version of something that I have forgotten the name of that Boinc needs to crunch, Apple won't let Boinc update it and it won't crunch right without it being the right version. This was discussed on Einstein too and some of those people are in the same boat you are.

On the other hand you might try the SRBase TF tasks, I ran them on a piece of crap pc that didn't even have the gpu drivers loaded one time and it worked, it owrked much better once I loaded the drivers though.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation (Message 71124)
Posted 20 Sep 2021 by Profilemikey
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I means inconclusive results. Excuse me for my bad english.


No problem you speak better English than I do French!!

There are two kinds of results for tasks here that essentially mean the same thing:
Validation pending (4) ยท Validation inconclusive (10)

They both mean waiting for your wingman, which is just someone else running the exact same task and hopefully coming up with the same result. IF that wingman's numbers are not close enough to your result than it will be sent to a 3rd, 4th etc computer until they get one close enough to the expected result. Boinc has a way for the Projects to do something to the tasks before we get them to give an expected result, not the actual result but something in the range, when a computer sends back a task that is out of that range of expected result than it can be considered faulty and the result is thrown out and the task will be considered invalid.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Validation (Message 71121)
Posted 19 Sep 2021 by Profilemikey
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What that mean validation no inclusive?


It means waiting on your wingman to get credit for the task
11) Message boards : Number crunching : New team member lots of pendings or invalids. (Message 71091)
Posted 3 Sep 2021 by Profilemikey
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Running CPU, Separation. Where in the menu is 'un-hide computers'?


Top section here:
https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/prefs.php?subset=project

Put a checkmark in the box on this line: Should MilkyWay@home show your computers on its web site?
12) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Can you specify CPU clock speed for jobs to run at (Message 71080)
Posted 31 Aug 2021 by Profilemikey
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So i was wondering how would i go about, in software of downclocking my cpu speeds, so i could run a little bit cooler.

I know you can ask it to shut off for a percentage of the time and to only use a certain amount of cores. But this has me worried with spikes of voltage running through my cpu, i set it for 50% usage before relaxing and it literally spiked voltage up and down per second. Which to me could cause more damage than I would be comfortable with.

Would it be a case of doing it through BIOS, which would then mean the whole computer would run slow, meaning i would then have to reboot into bios to get it running faster again.

Any help would be much appreciated .


The program called MSI Afterburner has a slider for core clock speed but I believe it's for the gpu only, you might look for something like that for the cpu.
13) Questions and Answers : Windows : Gpu utilisation issue computation error (Message 71072)
Posted 28 Aug 2021 by Profilemikey
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Gpu not being used. tasks are completed in 2> seconds,. gpu is staying at idle power usage, tasks say "computation error"


Your computers are hidden so it's impossible for anyo0ne to help you as we can't see the error logs, drivers used etc
14) Message boards : Number crunching : I gotta remember... (Message 71059)
Posted 9 Aug 2021 by Profilemikey
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Greetings,

Well, guys and gals, I decided to throw in the towel, so-to-speak.

Just over 21 years ago I got into this because of SETI@Home. Since SETI shut down I decided to come back here.

Today I decided to take the stress off of my CPU and GPU and went NNT here. I'll finish what tasks I currently have and stop distributed computing. If SETI should come back I shall return there. If not, my PC will have a major sigh of relief.

It has been a wonderful time donating my PC(s) time to science.

Have a great day! :)

Siran


I am very sorry to hear that!!! We will miss you and your wit!!!
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : Server problem? (Message 71055)
Posted 6 Aug 2021 by Profilemikey
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Just got 22 error WU and also now seems like WU gets stuck on downloading, is that just me or server have some problem?


I got tasks with no problem, can you just retry or abort them and get more?
16) Message boards : News : New Poll Regarding GPU Application of N-Body (Message 71039)
Posted 29 Jul 2021 by Profilemikey
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Please run this code on a Radeon VII....

But mine sits idle waiting for WU's anyway, so why bother ?

Seriously, if it will keep my PC running 100% of the time then YES do it !

D.C.


Have you tried using the alternate version of Boinc posted here:
https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/forum_thread.php?id=4532#69225

Another option is joining the Team GPU Users Group as they also have a 'fix' that seems to work, but I don't know the criteria for getting access to the 'fix'. I know that Keith Myers can tell you some of that though https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/view_profile.php?userid=147145

The new Admin here at MilkyWay has said if he could find the timer setting he would fix it but the former Admin who made the setting the way it is now didn't write things down.
17) Message boards : News : Separation Validator Updates/Brief Server Outage(s) (Message 71026)
Posted 25 Jul 2021 by Profilemikey
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Going to a version of Boinc above 7.14.xx also gives you the 'pre-fetch' that alot of people hate while others love it. If you have a zero resource share Project it knows you will need a new task soon so downloads it before the task you are working on is completed so there is no more lag between tasks.

Shouldn't this be an option then, add the capability but let the user decide?

And invalid task: https://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/workunit.php?wuid=137777181 Instant computation error, and see wingman result being the same.


That you have you to bring up with the Developers, it is what it is.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Can you add option to not run CPU versions of applications for which GPU versions are available? (Message 71022)
Posted 24 Jul 2021 by Profilemikey
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Yes Boinc does have problems cpu and gpu scheduling and yes you can run both on the same pc with fewer problems...load up a 2nd copy of Boinc in a different directory and run one for cpu tasks and one for gpu tasks. It's not as easy as it sounds but not that difficult either.

I finally got around to doing it. I have done it before when needed, and it does work fine, at least on Linux.

I think that is the hard way though. The project could provide that option I would think.
I doubt that very many people will do the double instances of BOINC trick. It is a bit involved the first time.


Yes it is
19) Message boards : News : Separation Validator Updates/Brief Server Outage(s) (Message 71021)
Posted 24 Jul 2021 by Profilemikey
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Cavalary you are running a fairly old version of BOINC 7.6.22 it was released in Dec of 2015. Maybe you could consider upgrading to 7.14.2 (32 bit) or higher if you have a 64 bit system. Also has your PC or mother board manufacturer released any updates for your hardware that might help you ?


Go with if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and at least so far BOINC didn't cause issues, and saw some things about changes to scheduling in newer versions.


At some point all versions of Boinc below 7.10.XX will not be allowed because they don't have the capability to still work on all the different Projects, there was a big fuss awhile back about them all going to https and then some also banned version below 7.10.xx because of a possible security thing I think as well. Going to a version of Boinc above 7.14.xx also gives you the 'pre-fetch' that alot of people hate while others love it. If you have a zero resource share Project it knows you will need a new task soon so downloads it before the task you are working on is completed so there is no more lag between tasks. It only partially works on MilkyWay because they have a 10 minute wait period between asking for gpu tasks but not for the cpu tasks so it will continue to run cpu tasks even with a zero resource share.
20) Message boards : News : New Separation Runs 6/9/2021 (Message 70938)
Posted 29 Jun 2021 by Profilemikey
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Will relaxing the validator limits hurt the science results for future task sets?


If so maybe they can match up the pc's doing the crunching so ie Linux pc's only validate against each other and the same with Windows pc's. With Windows being MUCH more represented in the stats page it really shouldn't matter very much.


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