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21) Message boards : Number crunching : Smooth sailing-Quiet board (Message 2931)
Posted 1 Apr 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Things are running smoothly around here :)
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Increased WU Credit (Message 2908)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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One result for sure would be then number of WU's crunched in a day would be ~50% less since each WU has to be run twice. Personally it doesn't make a difference to the crunchers but I don't know if that makes a difference to the project managers.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Milestones (Message 2904)
Posted 29 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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RAC is up to 1K.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Milestones (Message 2900)
Posted 29 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Congratulations.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Smooth sailing-Quiet board (Message 2889)
Posted 28 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Looking at that makes my back hurt.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Smooth sailing-Quiet board (Message 2867)
Posted 27 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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He looks confortable
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Smooth sailing-Quiet board (Message 2859)
Posted 26 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Psst, don't speak too loud... Last time we ran out of WUs immediately after stating all was soooo quiet. *grin*


Starting to get awfully noisy around here :)
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Smooth sailing-Quiet board (Message 2857)
Posted 26 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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It has been quiet lately.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Increased WU Credit (Message 2849)
Posted 26 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Imho, its too much...

2.17 was more than average on my hosts

Just my 2 cents...



You were outvoted 50 to 1 !


Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here. Just because my calculator keeps telling me that Milkyway is granting 50% more credits than ABC or Cosmo (with 4 cr. per wu), I do know nonetheless that it is the project admins decision how much credits are granted. If I dont like the decision, i have to go somewhere else. If I dont believe the guys that say that Milkyway isnt granting more than the other high credit projects (which can be easily checked), its still MY problem. If I think that those people are talking rubbish who are saying that increasing the credits again saved this project, exactly: Still MY problem...


most people agree that the granted credit is way too high for the project by a factor of 3.


Now you're saying that most people were wrong...


Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


;) thats what i'm doing...

Well, thanks to 6.5 cr., I was able to reach my personal project milestone of 10k in no time. Funny that the last wu I needed to reach 10k was one with "only" 2.17 cr.

At other projects I am doing 3x the ((scientific)) work for 10k.

Well, now I can focus on other projects again, like WCG atm, where I can do exactly that...



Now wait, I am confused. If the pay is too high, you can always set your prefs to 1..

But first - you state "Thats life... I can live with that. :)

Who am I to complain about people that are complaining about too little credits here."

Then you say - "thats what i'm doing..." in response to the statement -

Please feel free to keep complaining about credit on the forums and we'll eventually get it right. :)


Will you figure it out ? you are making even me dizzy..

There should be a BOINC server option that lets the participant choose the amount of credit he should get.

100% of the project default
75% of the project default
50% or the project default
1-1 1 credit = 1 WU (so they can at least see how many WU's they have crunched)

and for the halo heads

.001% or just 0000 - since credit is not a big issue to them - they can select the 000 option and feel at home.


What about another option "Donate credit to Philadelphia"

I like the way that sounds!!!
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Increased WU Credit (Message 2846)
Posted 25 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Just wanted to make a point, that there are even people willing to help without credits above average (there are also a few projects I would support without any credits) - contrary to the people who posted "Byebye" right after the granted credits had been decreased. Thats poor.

No that is not poor. That is free choice. You have the right to support whatever project you want according to your own wishes and desires. We have that right as well. If I do not like the way a project is being run I have the right to say bye and move my crunchers to another project. They are, after all, my crunchers. I prefer to have a dialog with the project admins first, but that is by my choice. Those who posted bye and left were also exercising their right to do so. I do not think any less of them for doing so and are appalled that you do.


You're right Sarge! Its simply MY opinion that such BEHAVIOUR is poor.

Better?

Now I'm really off... ;)

Best, Shai!


Well look @ the Bright Side of it SG, now you'll be able to devote more of your time Crusading @ some of the other Projects that in your Opinion give out to much Credit ... :)


There is always more work for The Caped Crusader!
31) Message boards : Number crunching : WU shortage (Message 2844)
Posted 25 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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It doesn't seem like the purge process takes very long to do.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : updated granted credit (Message 2779)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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If they leave... so what? There will still be 300,000+ users doing calculations with more than 300,000 computers connected.


There are 1,312,000 BOINC users (not computers).

I took a few minutes to add the total cobblestones of the top 100 crunchers. Their credits total 3,494,580,943, yes, 3.5 BILLION credits. The total BOINC credits for all 1.3 million users is 50,427,072,282.

Therefore, just those 100 crunchers represent 7% of 'every' credit crunched. Those 100 crunchers are 0.0076% of all the 1.3 million crunchers.

Now, let's add in the top 500 crunchers (I averaged each 100 user page so I didn't have to add 400 more entries). The top 500 crunchers (0.038% of all crunchers) account for 6,614,636,443 cobblestones or 13% of 'every' credit crunched.

And what is the lesson? You lose the large farmers and you lost your farm, and we're 'only' talking about the top 500 farmers.

Lesson class in farming is over.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : updated granted credit (Message 2761)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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While everyone here has a right to his/her opinion, I'm still waiting to hear from the admin. Lets face it it's their project and their not stupid, they know this credit thing will determine alot about the user/cruncher base of this project.
Then again they may feel this is not open for discussion.


As a business they can choose what to charge, in this case pay, for their product. We as a customer choose which product (project) we want to purchase.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : updated granted credit (Message 2759)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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And I would prefer see people interested in a project because of the subject instead of intereted by the local higher credits.


Each to their own, I don't impose my preference on others. Quite frankly, why they crunch a project is up to them.
The project is a business and a cruncher is a customer and what a customer chooses to purchase is their decision. Solid colored shirts over striped over.....
35) Message boards : Number crunching : updated granted credit (Message 2757)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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I think 4.5 would be a fair number and still be competitive against other projects. Anything less than that would probably still reduce your "volunteer" base more than you would like to see. Project parity is a pipe dream of David Anderson anyway and a way for him to control all BOINC projects, never mind that a large part of the data he was using was flawed and proven to be so. I really believe that he is using it to try to get back the large part of SETIs volunteer base that have moved on because of the problems there. I really do not want to move on to regular DC projects, but if things keep going the way they are with a credit reduction every time one of us improves the application, that is most likely where I will end up. At least then I would not have to put up with David Anderson's anecdotal behavior. Or maybe we should just make the improvements and use them for ourselves instead of releasing them to the public in general.


Ok, it's not only for credits. If you look your teams's stats, your four preferred projects are Seti, ABC, QMC and Milkyway. By chance they are those who give the more credits. Lucky.
Don't answer. Thanks

You need to look again. We hold number 1 in several projects that you failed to mention. As a matter of fact, we tend to spread ourselves around quite a bit, especially since Formula BOINC started. And how can you say that SETI gives more credits? That is a laugh for sure.


Sarge, he obviously doesn't know that the team regularly asks team members to crunch a project on a rotating basis to support it or improve the teams position regardless of whether it pays well or not.

Often the team pulls crunching power to lower paying projects.

But, then he wouldn't know that since he's not a member of the team.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Poll: How much credit do you think is fair? (Message 2705)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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4.5
37) Message boards : Number crunching : updated granted credit (Message 2647)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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If the optimized app becomes the standard app and is issued to all platforms supported by the project, credit granted should IMO be based on using that (standard, optimized) app. Nothing unusual about that - it's been done elsewhere (like Einstein)


I didn't say it was unusual.

What I did say is that if that becomes the norm then the incentive to do it, to achieve additional cobblestones, is out the door.

Mr DA shows up and tells you, "You've done a wonderful job, but we must now negate the additional cobblestones you achieved so you are back in line with SETI"

What's up with that?
38) Message boards : Cafe MilkyWay : ATA thread (Message 2643)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Happy Easter to all of you :)
39) Message boards : Cafe MilkyWay : Eagles Football Fans? (Message 2641)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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Who's your favorite team, let's hear from everyone :)
40) Message boards : Number crunching : updated granted credit (Message 2640)
Posted 24 Mar 2008 by ProfilePhiladelphia
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I yelped a bit a couple of weeks ago when it was mooted that credits should be reduced. That is because I am running a PPC Mac and it didn't get any optimisation in the last round of app updates. However, I subsequently looked at the figures again and I concede that 6.5 per result was too high. Trouble is, 2.17 is way too low. Somewhere around 4 would be reasonable I would think.




I think that 4.2 is a reasonable number.


I don't know if you noticed Crunch3r's post with his processor computations comparing projects - in that analysis 4.2 is still on the very low side. How about something in the 4.5 - 5.0 range?

What is the point of coming out with an optimized app if the project is going to negate the effect? (Please, don't say 'do it for science') You're sending a message - 'Why optimize?'


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